base698 20 #101 March 26, 2002 QuoteOK, I chose to be heterosexual when I was sixteen and had my first sexual encounter with a woman. Does that help? You NEVER choose to be hetero nor homo. Everyone here remember that time around 12 years old when you start thinking about the other sex in the shower or bed :) I had no choice in the matter that I was definitly going to sleep with women later in life--just turned out that way. Even if you are a virgin you are still one of the other. The act does not make you hetero or homo. The desire must be there for both.I've also equated telling the family about skydiving (and ahem base) to coming out. It was a extremely hard thing to do because of their worries about safety. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #102 March 26, 2002 I am not attacking anyone here.. BELIEVE me I haven't attacked anyone.. I am doing my best to keep it civil.. It isn't a matter of equality and tolerence.. It's a matter of children.. This is interesting stuff.. I notice alot of people are not voicing their opinions.. Semper Fi ..... http:// www.aahit.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bbarnhouse 0 #103 March 26, 2002 Okay I was out of this thread until..........my 11 year old came up and read the topic and said: "As long as it's good for the child" Out of the mouths of babes!I am a fantastic parent! I have children that are more tolerant than their Grandparents and parents! Change is painful but it brings about growth........the world is changing and with it the preconcieved notions.......when it comes down to it, we are all just people.CheersIt only takes a little pixie dust...... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mountainman 0 #104 March 26, 2002 QuoteWhere was the personal attack?Do you only read 1/2 sentances? Here is my sentance....in its entirety:I haven't seen any yet, but let's keep the personal attacks off here. (Important part has been "bolded" for ease in viewing.)I should have bold and reded it the first time.Chao.BrandonJumpinDuo.com...come and sign the guestbook. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Schroeder 0 #105 March 26, 2002 Ok, I'm back."I don't have a problem with Gays.. That wasn't what we were talking about.. "Apparently you do have a problem with gays, otherwise you wouldn't have posed the question in the first place."If I ventured in the slipstream; Between the via-ducts of your dreams.......could you find me?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sebazz1 2 #106 March 26, 2002 Quotethe world is changing and with it the preconcieved notions.......when it comes down to it, we are all just people.CheersCheers B.............SEBAZZ....... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #107 March 26, 2002 No I don't have a problem with Gays.. You are incorrect.. To each his own.. I have a problem putting children in a situations they don't belong in..I will ask you to please refrain from putting words in my mouth and telling me what I do and do not have a problem with.. Thank you Rhino Semper Fi ..... http:// www.aahit.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skymedic 0 #108 March 26, 2002 QuoteI have a problem putting children in a situations they don't belong in..Who says they DONT belong there....I would have much rather had Gay or Lesbian parents that what I was raised in....marcBSBD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
indyz 1 #109 March 26, 2002 Selected quotes from this weeks "What Do You Think" column in the Onion:"Homosexuals should be allowed to adopt kids, but they should not be allowed to molest them. I firmly believe that.""The law needs to make a distinction here. Are we talking regular gay or whoo-hoo-fabulous gay?""The last thing we need is to put children in the hands of people who actually want them."...and before the flames start, these are supposed to be humorous. I actually like the last one as a legitimate argument for gay adoption.--Brian Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Schroeder 0 #110 March 26, 2002 my post seemed quite logical to me. Not trying to undercut you in anyway, but logically, if you don't have any problem at all with gays, then you wouldn't have a problem with anything, or any way that they conduct their lives, and interact with the rest of society. It wouldn't be a them-and-us situation it would just be an US situation. Is my logic flawed?"If I ventured in the slipstream; Between the via-ducts of your dreams.......could you find me?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #111 March 26, 2002 That was why this discussion was started. To get your stance on things.. You don't have aproblem with it fine.. That is your belief system.I am very sorry you had a rough upbringing.. I don't think any of us had a cake walk ourselves. Did you not learn from the mistakes your parents made? I sure did.. Are you making those mistakes with your kids? Probably not.. That means YOU are making the decisions not to put your kids in that situation..Rhino Semper Fi ..... http:// www.aahit.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kmcguffee 0 #112 March 26, 2002 QuoteYou NEVER choose to be hetero nor homo. I was just clarifying that the above statement is an opinion and not fact. Scientists have not been able to find conclusive evidence there is a difference biologically or psychologically between heterosexual and homosexual people. I haven't stated my opinion on this at all because, I don't know.As far as gay couples adopting. I think it is better for the kid to have a female mother and a male father rather than two of the same sex if all other things are equal. Can gay couples raise stable, confident children? I'm sure they can but I still think a normal father and mother is best. Do I think it should be illegal for gay couples to adopt? Probably not, but I think that married male, female couples should be given preference. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freebird 0 #113 March 26, 2002 I so sorry.........I be a good girl......... o taaaaaa......(rolling my eyes at this forum)...........The longer you wait ........the more sense you get. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #114 March 26, 2002 Like I said I don't have a problem with anyones sexuality.. I do however not like kids suffering at young ages having to explain adult matter to other little kids. Semper Fi ..... http:// www.aahit.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #115 March 26, 2002 LMFAO.. You are funny I'm out of here.. Going to catch a movie.. Hopefully things remain civil and the thread isn't locked when I get back Semper Fi ..... http:// www.aahit.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skymedic 0 #116 March 26, 2002 Quoteto explain adult matter to other little kids.how is two people that love each other adult matter??marcBSBD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bbarnhouse 0 #117 March 26, 2002 ummm what is a normal father? Normalicy is what society depicts. My "normal' however may be different than your normal. The society in which I live may be different than yours.I truly am not trying to be trite, I am advocating that people have different views on religion, politics etc. ethenic groups have a different societal structure, so their normal might be different than yours and mine.I appreciate that everyone has taken the time to express their views. This thread has been enlightening and has given me better insight into this "normal" skydiving family.Cheers!It only takes a little pixie dust...... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freebird 0 #118 March 26, 2002 And on that note .............Im out of here..............The longer you wait ........the more sense you get. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,118 #119 March 26, 2002 >I do however not like kids suffering at young ages having to explain adult matter>to other little kids.As children raised by heterosexuals often ask where they came from, and the answer contains very adult subject matter, I don't see a big difference. Children can be very mean, and I've heard incredible amounts of abuse levied on kids who were fat, whose parents were of two different races, who had a single mother as a parent, and who were poor. Given that I can't see that having heterosexual parent(s) protects you from suffering.An example: how is "Who'd your mom do to have you? You even know who your father is?" any better than "Are your parents fags?" It might make a difference to you, but from what I've seen of children's reactions to such taunts, it doesn't make much difference to them - both are pretty harsh.I get the feeling that an underlying theme here is that you don't want children to grow up in an environment that might make them more likely to be openly gay, based on what you said about your children. Is that accurate?-bill von Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Keith 0 #120 March 26, 2002 Huh??????? You're not making any sense!!!!!!Keith Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #121 March 27, 2002 well I don't agree that sexual orientation is taught...I think it's the way your brain is wired. some people freak out if their kids' teacher is gay, thinking that maybe their children will "catch it" from him, I think that's ridiculous.I never chose to be straight. I just was. While I was growing up I was probably exposed to more openly gay & bisexual people than 98% of other kids. My mother & stepfather were running an avant garde, non-profit theatre company & quite a few of the actors who performed there & sometimes slept over at our house were gay.And when I was a teenager I hung out with this sorta artsy intellectual/musician type crowd. Among some of them, being bi was kinda cool & artsy.In spite of all that going on while I was going on I've never experienced any sort of homosexual urges. My two brothers are the same way. If environment was the issue, you'd think that I would have at least wanted to experiment with homosexuality, but that's not the way it works. I was born to love BOOBIES!! (hey is that the first time that word has been brought up in this thread?)Speed Racer"Fill your hand, you son-of-a-bitch!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Schroeder 0 #122 March 27, 2002 "is that the first time that word has been brought up in this thread?"no, I think opie made a failed attempt while back :)"If I ventured in the slipstream; Between the via-ducts of your dreams.......could you find me?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skybytch 273 #123 March 27, 2002 QuoteChildren can be very mean, and I've heard incredible amounts of abuse levied on kids who were fat, whose parents were of two different races, who had a single mother as a parent, and who were poor. Given that I can't see that having heterosexual parent(s) protects you from suffering.An example: how is "Who'd your mom do to have you? You even know who your father is?" any better than "Are your parents fags?" It might make a difference to you, but from what I've seen of children's reactions to such taunts, it doesn't make much difference to them - both are pretty harsh.Thank you. That's exactly the kind of thing my son had to deal with - having both a single mother and living in a household without a lot of money - and again, he's turned out pretty well considering his less-than-Cleaver upbringing.pull & flare,lisa"But our reality is in fact entire illusion!"-Gregory Benford Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kmcguffee 0 #124 March 27, 2002 Quoteummm what is a normal father? ummmmmm.....well.....how about this definition. A normal father has a penis. And not post operative. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Iflyme 0 #125 March 27, 2002 QuoteAre you making those mistakes with your kids? Probably not.. I think you'd be surprised ... the apple doesn't fall far from the tree ... kids raised in a rotten environment are far mor likely to raise THEIR kids in a similar environment. Kids raised in a loving home - whether there are 2 daddies, 2 mommies, or whatever - will fare better than those raised otherwise. Just take a look around -- there are kids everywhere, raised by a man and a woman, or single parents, who do not have the values necessary to be a contributing mamber of our society. Kids raised by caring, loving PEOPLE will have a much better chance ..."There's nothing new under the sun" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites