bbarnhouse 0 #51 March 26, 2002 [Family values means loving, supportive parents who spend time with their kids, and a stable, safe home. That's how you raise grounded kids with a sense of morals. It doesn't matter if the parents are white, black, gay, straight, or Martian. ]I say Amen .It only takes a little pixie dust...... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #52 March 26, 2002 He said he was jaded anyways.. I said I've seen worse... As a joke Then stated in some states gays can get married.. Where is that meant to get anyone mad? Semper Fi ..... http:// www.aahit.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChromeBoy 0 #53 March 26, 2002 Now he's responding to everyones response. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rhino 0 #54 March 26, 2002 Their was an article in Time magazine about it.. Any takers?? Semper Fi ..... http:// www.aahit.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rhino 0 #55 March 26, 2002 I BELIEVE Michigan is on the list also.. Semper Fi ..... http:// www.aahit.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skycat 0 #56 March 26, 2002 hahahha.....he just wants to have more posts than Clay Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Keith 0 #57 March 26, 2002 QuoteHawaii & Vermont..............Yeah baby I feel sooooo smartYou should have known my question was a trap Both states passed legislation allowing domestic partnerships that don't give the same rights as marriage. Also, the Hawaii lesislation was overturned on appeal. So as of today there are no states that allow gay marriage.Keith Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Zennie 0 #58 March 26, 2002 QuoteToo many parents are letting TV, Daycare, and School raise their kids and not running with the responsibility and honor of doing it themselves.Absolutely agree on that count."Zero Tolerance: the politically correct term for zero thought, zero common sense." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JDBoston 0 #59 March 26, 2002 Rhino, I think you have the right intentions as far as caring for children and wanting your kids to grow up and be stable, happy adults, and wanting to be an active parent and not just plop them in front of the TV or with strangers. But from my perspective, you are mistaken on a couple important points:Gay people are born that way, not taught. If your kid turns out to be gay there is nothing you could have done or can do to change that. You just have to accept them for who they are. It's not a "choice" that's given to people, just as you and I did not "choose" to be straight. We just are. I mean, who on earth would ever CHOOSE to be gay in this day of prejudice, AIDS, etc.?...The "system" you speak of as being better for kids than bouncing from gay couple to gay couple is in fact foster care, which by definition is bouncing from family to family until you end up with one that wants to adopt you. This gets progressively less likely the longer you stay in the "system." Fact...My $0.02,Joe Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites TequilaGirl 0 #60 March 26, 2002 On another note - The birth parents have a say so in who adopts their child (at least regarding private adoptions) and also has the right re-claim their child for a certain time period before the adoption is finalized. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Sebazz1 2 #61 March 26, 2002 QuoteYou should have known my question was a trapYeah I knew this. But I also know that those were the two states closest to letting it thappen.........Children of unordinary backrounds usually end up being some of society's greatest assests............I totally made this up but it sounded goodSEBAZZ....... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skybytch 273 #62 March 26, 2002 QuoteKids have a hard enough time growing up without having to explain whythey have two moms or dads.This same argument can be used to say that any child rearing situation other than a mommy and a daddy married to each other and living in the same house is "wrong." My son had to explain, or at least grasp for himself, why he didn't have a father - overall, I'd have to say that he's turned out better than many of his peers who grew up in so called "normal" households. imho any person or persons who have the desire, commitment to the child, and unselfishness to want to raise a child should not just be allowed to, they should be encouraged to. My son and I spent almost a year with a gay couple as roommates. I felt them to be a very good influence on him. He is far more tolerant of other people - all kinds of other people - than several of those posting on this thread seem to be...pull & flare,lisa"But our reality is in fact entire illusion!"-Gregory Benford Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,116 #63 March 26, 2002 >........My opinion is gay marriages should be addressed before gay couples have> the right to adopt children. I might agree, but single parents can adopt kids, and that's an even worse environment, since they will likely see other people at some point in the child's life. Starting out with two parents who agree to raise the child together is a better environment than starting out with one.-bill von Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Iflyme 0 #64 March 26, 2002 I don't think sexality should be an issue in adoption. Kids need a loving home... "There's nothing new under the sun" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bbarnhouse 0 #65 March 26, 2002 Rhino~Part of loving our children is accepting them for all that they are and all that they are NOT. I shall not debate the issue of parenting with you, nor do I believe that just because I view the world in one way and teach it/live it, that my children will inherently believe in the same way. That's the beauty of freedom of choice. My skydiving for instance, allows my children the freedom to take risks in their lives, that perhaps otherwise they wouldn't. I want my kids to live and think outside of the box. To seek out the possibilities. Your parenting style is different than mine and that's okay. I will tell you that my children are well rounded, well loved and know that NO MATTER what home is a place where they will always be taken in and well loved and accepted. You are welcome to your belief system and opinions, I respect that you have a strong ones, but please do not insinuate that others are not good parents because they parent in a different way.CheersIt only takes a little pixie dust...... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skymama 37 #66 March 26, 2002 Quote True.. But it's our job as parents to raise our children according to our belief system. If my son comes home with another man and says he loves him he is in BIG trouble. Rhino, what if he's 40 years old when he does this? Is that what your response is going to be? As a parent, all I wish for my kids in their choice of partners is that they choose someone who respects them, treats them well, and who makes them happy.AndreaThe brave may not live forever, but the timid may not live at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skybytch 273 #67 March 26, 2002 QuoteIf my son comes home with another man and says he loves him he is in BIG trouble. I feel sorry for him. My hope for my son is that he finds someone to love who loves him back. It's none of my business if that person is male, female, white, black, Catholic, Jewish, Martian, Venusian... QuoteBut some are far better off in the system than bouncing from gay couple to gay couple. The system provides consistency and stability in some cases.Then you've probably never talked to kids who've grown up "in the system" There is NO consistency or stability in being bounced from one foster home to another... which unfortunately is what happens to the majority of those kids.pull & flare,lisa"But our reality is in fact entire illusion!"-Gregory Benford Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,116 #68 March 26, 2002 Good points, and I also wanted to say that I'm impressed that most of the people here can talk about a pretty inflammatory issue without resorting to personal attacks and profanity. Some pretty cool people here on DZ.com.-bill von Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites TequilaGirl 0 #69 March 26, 2002 I think the bottom line here is basically - anyone with enough money can adopt a child. But I do agree that two parents are better than one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkySurfSnow 0 #70 March 26, 2002 As someone that grew up in an orphanage, I would have much preferred a caring gay father, then an abusive alcoholic one.TAIHTSAT Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kmcguffee 0 #71 March 26, 2002 QuoteI think gay marriages should be recognized by each individual state before we start adopting children out to gay couples........what happens if a gay couples adopts a child and then breaks up or divorces......what happens to the child??????Excellent point. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kmcguffee 0 #72 March 26, 2002 QuoteGay people are born that way, not taught. This has yet to be proven. Alot of scientists have done studies on this and there is still no conclusive evidence one way or another. Tremendous amount of opinions though. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Keith 0 #73 March 26, 2002 When did you choose to be straight? Keith Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kmcguffee 0 #74 March 26, 2002 QuoteWhen did you choose to be straight? I don't understand your point. What makes you think I'm straight? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Iflyme 0 #75 March 26, 2002 QuoteSome pretty cool people here on DZ.com.I gotta agree... I'm pleased with the "tolerant" nature of most of you! I think ignorance and intolerance breed hatred, and there is waayyyy to much of that going around already. "There's nothing new under the sun" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 Next Page 3 of 10 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. 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rhino 0 #54 March 26, 2002 Their was an article in Time magazine about it.. Any takers?? Semper Fi ..... http:// www.aahit.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #55 March 26, 2002 I BELIEVE Michigan is on the list also.. Semper Fi ..... http:// www.aahit.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skycat 0 #56 March 26, 2002 hahahha.....he just wants to have more posts than Clay Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Keith 0 #57 March 26, 2002 QuoteHawaii & Vermont..............Yeah baby I feel sooooo smartYou should have known my question was a trap Both states passed legislation allowing domestic partnerships that don't give the same rights as marriage. Also, the Hawaii lesislation was overturned on appeal. So as of today there are no states that allow gay marriage.Keith Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zennie 0 #58 March 26, 2002 QuoteToo many parents are letting TV, Daycare, and School raise their kids and not running with the responsibility and honor of doing it themselves.Absolutely agree on that count."Zero Tolerance: the politically correct term for zero thought, zero common sense." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JDBoston 0 #59 March 26, 2002 Rhino, I think you have the right intentions as far as caring for children and wanting your kids to grow up and be stable, happy adults, and wanting to be an active parent and not just plop them in front of the TV or with strangers. But from my perspective, you are mistaken on a couple important points:Gay people are born that way, not taught. If your kid turns out to be gay there is nothing you could have done or can do to change that. You just have to accept them for who they are. It's not a "choice" that's given to people, just as you and I did not "choose" to be straight. We just are. I mean, who on earth would ever CHOOSE to be gay in this day of prejudice, AIDS, etc.?...The "system" you speak of as being better for kids than bouncing from gay couple to gay couple is in fact foster care, which by definition is bouncing from family to family until you end up with one that wants to adopt you. This gets progressively less likely the longer you stay in the "system." Fact...My $0.02,Joe Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TequilaGirl 0 #60 March 26, 2002 On another note - The birth parents have a say so in who adopts their child (at least regarding private adoptions) and also has the right re-claim their child for a certain time period before the adoption is finalized. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sebazz1 2 #61 March 26, 2002 QuoteYou should have known my question was a trapYeah I knew this. But I also know that those were the two states closest to letting it thappen.........Children of unordinary backrounds usually end up being some of society's greatest assests............I totally made this up but it sounded goodSEBAZZ....... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skybytch 273 #62 March 26, 2002 QuoteKids have a hard enough time growing up without having to explain whythey have two moms or dads.This same argument can be used to say that any child rearing situation other than a mommy and a daddy married to each other and living in the same house is "wrong." My son had to explain, or at least grasp for himself, why he didn't have a father - overall, I'd have to say that he's turned out better than many of his peers who grew up in so called "normal" households. imho any person or persons who have the desire, commitment to the child, and unselfishness to want to raise a child should not just be allowed to, they should be encouraged to. My son and I spent almost a year with a gay couple as roommates. I felt them to be a very good influence on him. He is far more tolerant of other people - all kinds of other people - than several of those posting on this thread seem to be...pull & flare,lisa"But our reality is in fact entire illusion!"-Gregory Benford Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,116 #63 March 26, 2002 >........My opinion is gay marriages should be addressed before gay couples have> the right to adopt children. I might agree, but single parents can adopt kids, and that's an even worse environment, since they will likely see other people at some point in the child's life. Starting out with two parents who agree to raise the child together is a better environment than starting out with one.-bill von Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Iflyme 0 #64 March 26, 2002 I don't think sexality should be an issue in adoption. Kids need a loving home... "There's nothing new under the sun" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bbarnhouse 0 #65 March 26, 2002 Rhino~Part of loving our children is accepting them for all that they are and all that they are NOT. I shall not debate the issue of parenting with you, nor do I believe that just because I view the world in one way and teach it/live it, that my children will inherently believe in the same way. That's the beauty of freedom of choice. My skydiving for instance, allows my children the freedom to take risks in their lives, that perhaps otherwise they wouldn't. I want my kids to live and think outside of the box. To seek out the possibilities. Your parenting style is different than mine and that's okay. I will tell you that my children are well rounded, well loved and know that NO MATTER what home is a place where they will always be taken in and well loved and accepted. You are welcome to your belief system and opinions, I respect that you have a strong ones, but please do not insinuate that others are not good parents because they parent in a different way.CheersIt only takes a little pixie dust...... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skymama 37 #66 March 26, 2002 Quote True.. But it's our job as parents to raise our children according to our belief system. If my son comes home with another man and says he loves him he is in BIG trouble. Rhino, what if he's 40 years old when he does this? Is that what your response is going to be? As a parent, all I wish for my kids in their choice of partners is that they choose someone who respects them, treats them well, and who makes them happy.AndreaThe brave may not live forever, but the timid may not live at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skybytch 273 #67 March 26, 2002 QuoteIf my son comes home with another man and says he loves him he is in BIG trouble. I feel sorry for him. My hope for my son is that he finds someone to love who loves him back. It's none of my business if that person is male, female, white, black, Catholic, Jewish, Martian, Venusian... QuoteBut some are far better off in the system than bouncing from gay couple to gay couple. The system provides consistency and stability in some cases.Then you've probably never talked to kids who've grown up "in the system" There is NO consistency or stability in being bounced from one foster home to another... which unfortunately is what happens to the majority of those kids.pull & flare,lisa"But our reality is in fact entire illusion!"-Gregory Benford Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,116 #68 March 26, 2002 Good points, and I also wanted to say that I'm impressed that most of the people here can talk about a pretty inflammatory issue without resorting to personal attacks and profanity. Some pretty cool people here on DZ.com.-bill von Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TequilaGirl 0 #69 March 26, 2002 I think the bottom line here is basically - anyone with enough money can adopt a child. But I do agree that two parents are better than one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkySurfSnow 0 #70 March 26, 2002 As someone that grew up in an orphanage, I would have much preferred a caring gay father, then an abusive alcoholic one.TAIHTSAT Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kmcguffee 0 #71 March 26, 2002 QuoteI think gay marriages should be recognized by each individual state before we start adopting children out to gay couples........what happens if a gay couples adopts a child and then breaks up or divorces......what happens to the child??????Excellent point. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kmcguffee 0 #72 March 26, 2002 QuoteGay people are born that way, not taught. This has yet to be proven. Alot of scientists have done studies on this and there is still no conclusive evidence one way or another. Tremendous amount of opinions though. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Keith 0 #73 March 26, 2002 When did you choose to be straight? Keith Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kmcguffee 0 #74 March 26, 2002 QuoteWhen did you choose to be straight? I don't understand your point. What makes you think I'm straight? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Iflyme 0 #75 March 26, 2002 QuoteSome pretty cool people here on DZ.com.I gotta agree... I'm pleased with the "tolerant" nature of most of you! I think ignorance and intolerance breed hatred, and there is waayyyy to much of that going around already. "There's nothing new under the sun" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
