Keith 0 #1 March 28, 2002 There is some scientific proof that homosexuality isn't a choice. http://www.viewzone.com/homosexual.htmlKeith Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #2 March 28, 2002 So . . . which would be better; for it to be predestined or a choice?I mean, unless you plan on sleeping with that person, does it matter what their sexual preference is?quadehttp://futurecam.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lummy 4 #4 March 28, 2002 QuoteI mean, unless you plan on sleeping with that person, does it matter what their sexual preference is?Exactly..... To each their own...Grew up way to fast, now there's nothing to believe, and reruns all become a history.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #5 March 28, 2002 Yeah right....Somebody out there just HAD to suck dick. It wasn't a choice. Whatever......"I only have 145 jumps so I always carry a JM so he can pull for me."-Clay Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shark 0 #6 March 28, 2002 QuoteWhat pot???Someone has pot?? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lummy 4 #7 March 28, 2002 *cough* * cough* ere DUDE......Grew up way to fast, now there's nothing to believe, and reruns all become a history.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Keith 0 #8 March 28, 2002 I thought the author of the article said it quite well. "So another of life's perplexing questions has, forme, been resolved by science. This consistentlyoccurring phenomenon has been labeled everythingfrom a "terrible sin" to a form of mental illness.It should perhaps, in light of the hypothalamusdiscovery, be viewed as part of the naturalvariety of human biology. As such, it could beprotected from slander by our strong admonitionsprohibiting discrimination based on gender. Aviolation of any human privileges against maleswith a "feminized hypothalamus" ought to be seenas an affront to basic civil rights."Keith Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diver123 0 #9 March 28, 2002 Personally, at this point, I'm indifferent to homosexuality. I neither like it or dislike it, but I do accept it as a lifestyle with the same respect that I give a person of a different ethnicity than myself. However, this study that the writer talks of sheds a new light on the reality of homosexuality. One that may provide a more universal acceptance of this lifestyle if it could be further evaluated... "pull high! It's lower than you think..." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #10 March 28, 2002 LOL, 2 points for Clay.. Semper Fi ..... http:// www.aahit.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skymama 37 #11 March 28, 2002 I didn't even read the article, I already think it's not a choice. I kind of think of it in the same way that my children have totally different personalities. They were raised in the same house, with the same parents, with the same rules and discipline, and one of them is easy going, and one of them can be quite a pain-in-the-ass. Now, what made them that way? I think it's just the way that they are each wired. I know that really simplifies the arguement, but it's something to think about.AndreaThe brave may not live forever, but the timid may not live at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #12 March 28, 2002 Ummm...whats the difference? Does it matter? What the hell is this guy trying to prove? It sounds like he is looking for validity for his cause. Nothing else......Just so you know...I could really give a shit less who someone else is fucking. I have yet to ask sexual preference before exiting an aircraft. Although ...I did snicker incessantly about a "Flaming Red Jumpsuit" comment......"I only have 145 jumps so I always carry a JM so he can pull for me."-Clay Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #13 March 28, 2002 I don't have a problem in the world against anyones sexual preference.. No problem at all... Semper Fi ..... http:// www.aahit.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,111 #14 March 28, 2002 I've always been puzzled by this. Homosexuality should be strongly selected against by evolution, as should any trait that reduces the chances that one will pass on one's genes to the next generation.One possible answer is that there are societal advantages to having a percentage of the population be gay. Sickle cell anemia, for example, is a potentially dangerous genetically inherited disease, one that used to kill most people who got it. It's a recessive trait, so any child with two genes for sickle cell anemia gets sick. (25% of the offspring from two carriers.) So why would it be passed on from generation to generation, if all it does is kill people and prevent them from reproducing?The answer was found in the other children of the same parents. 50% of the children of those carriers who are otherwise normal (heterozygous) are immune to malaria - even a single recessive sickle cell anemia gene makes one immune. In mosquito-infested areas this is a huge survival trait.We have seen that there are several aspects of society (a mother's love for a child, our strong desire to protect children from harm, a natural repugnance towards someone who is badly diseased) that cause the group to do well, even if it causes the individual harm. Most mothers will put themselves in harm's way to protect their child, and although this isn't good for the mother, this helps her family survive and her genes to pass on. We feel 'gross' around someone with leprosy or gangrene, and tend to avoid him. Again, this isn't good for the individual with leprosy, but there's a big benefit to society if someone with a communicable disease is shunned. (We have hospitals and isolation procedures now, of course, but you get the idea.) This leads to better survival of that society, and thus the society's genes are selected for.So maybe there's an advantage to society, to have a segment of population with a different sexual orientation. I'm not sure what it might be - perhaps societies with narrow outlooks on sexuality don't do as well in the long run? - but we've had hundreds of thousands of years to evolve it, so I have to think it's possible.-bill von Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Donna 0 #15 March 28, 2002 I agree with Andrea. I never thought it was a choice. Blue Skies,D Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #16 March 28, 2002 QuoteI'm not sure what it might beGay men are great!!! Leaves more Chics for me......."I only have 145 jumps so I always carry a JM so he can pull for me."-Clay Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChromeBoy 0 #17 March 28, 2002 QuoteLeaves more Chics for me.......This conming from a guy who hasn't been laid in a year. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Sebazz1 2 #18 March 28, 2002 I believe some men/women chose to be gay by choice and some are just naturally gay.Who gives a shit?SEBAZZ....... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SBS 0 #19 March 28, 2002 That's an interesting article.Just some thought...It seems to me, as stated in the article, that one could look at this difference in brain development as a sort of genetic defect. One that is sympathetic to the trials and tribulations of homosexuals, may choose to look at it as normal genetics. Either one presents the possibility of reasonable arguement. I think that arguing that point, though, causes us to lose sight of the fact that we are talking about human beings that deserve to be treated and respected as such. Whether they choose to be gay, just like I have chosen the path of my life with skydiving etc., or if they are genetically different, like blacks are from whites, men are from women, etc., we all deserve to be treated as part of the human race.It seems to me that in order to have understanding among different races, genders, sexual preferences, etc., this is the area that needs to be addressed...not why people are the way they are, as much as the fact that we are who we are, and are no less human than any other. It's pretty well known that blacks are genetically different from whites, that Asians are genetically different, etc. etc. etc. That said, we still encounter prejudice between races...scientific answers will not eliminate prejudice, the answer will be found at its source, not its targets.Scientific proof is great, but let's keep in mind that it pales in comparison to what would truely be great...valuing one another for no good reason. :-)Steve Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Jessica 0 #20 March 28, 2002 A large segment of my friends is made up of gay men, and the anguish inherent in coming out (to one's self and to others) was enough to convince me long ago that's it's anything but a choice.No, it's not updated. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites LawnDart21 0 #21 March 28, 2002 My .02 = I know this is the "general" forum for any topic of discussion, but c'mon, this is dropzone.com, not sexualpreference.com or shouldgaypeopleadopt.com. We come to this website to chat about skydiving "related" topics like boobies and cases of beer. Leave all the touchy opinion type questions for another board. That's my opinion, as a God fearing heterosexual male with no children (that I know about anyways), I think these two threads are a waste of valuable skydiving related energy and put an overall ugly vibe on an otherwise positive discussion board. Let's just all try to shift our focus back to altitudes and airflows."I live to EFS"Tom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ibrobinm 0 #22 March 28, 2002 Yeah , what he said! Come on, let's get on to something FUN! I live in my own little world - - - but it's okay, they know me here. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites freeflir29 0 #23 March 28, 2002 QuoteThis coming from a guy who hasn't been laid in a year.Not even close to that long........give it time.......See what a great guy I am.....Nathan seemed pretty gay and I still jumped with him....."I only have 145 jumps so I always carry a JM so he can pull for me."-Clay Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SBS 0 #24 March 28, 2002 I believe some men/women chose to be gay by choice and some are just naturally gay.Good point...I don't think anyone can argue that there are those who most definitely live that lifestyle by choice. I still say it doesn't matter either way, when talking about showing respect to another human being. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JDBoston 0 #25 March 28, 2002 I'm no scientist, but I think of it more like an anomaly that recurs from generation to generation with the same frequency. Maybe there's a hereditary factor, maybe it's some biochemical thing in the early stages of development. Either way the probability is relatively fixed in each generation. Anyone know if there have been studies done on its frequency in different regions/populations/ethnic groups? THAT would be interesting.Joe Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 Next Page 1 of 3 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
Sebazz1 2 #18 March 28, 2002 I believe some men/women chose to be gay by choice and some are just naturally gay.Who gives a shit?SEBAZZ....... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SBS 0 #19 March 28, 2002 That's an interesting article.Just some thought...It seems to me, as stated in the article, that one could look at this difference in brain development as a sort of genetic defect. One that is sympathetic to the trials and tribulations of homosexuals, may choose to look at it as normal genetics. Either one presents the possibility of reasonable arguement. I think that arguing that point, though, causes us to lose sight of the fact that we are talking about human beings that deserve to be treated and respected as such. Whether they choose to be gay, just like I have chosen the path of my life with skydiving etc., or if they are genetically different, like blacks are from whites, men are from women, etc., we all deserve to be treated as part of the human race.It seems to me that in order to have understanding among different races, genders, sexual preferences, etc., this is the area that needs to be addressed...not why people are the way they are, as much as the fact that we are who we are, and are no less human than any other. It's pretty well known that blacks are genetically different from whites, that Asians are genetically different, etc. etc. etc. That said, we still encounter prejudice between races...scientific answers will not eliminate prejudice, the answer will be found at its source, not its targets.Scientific proof is great, but let's keep in mind that it pales in comparison to what would truely be great...valuing one another for no good reason. :-)Steve Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jessica 0 #20 March 28, 2002 A large segment of my friends is made up of gay men, and the anguish inherent in coming out (to one's self and to others) was enough to convince me long ago that's it's anything but a choice.No, it's not updated. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LawnDart21 0 #21 March 28, 2002 My .02 = I know this is the "general" forum for any topic of discussion, but c'mon, this is dropzone.com, not sexualpreference.com or shouldgaypeopleadopt.com. We come to this website to chat about skydiving "related" topics like boobies and cases of beer. Leave all the touchy opinion type questions for another board. That's my opinion, as a God fearing heterosexual male with no children (that I know about anyways), I think these two threads are a waste of valuable skydiving related energy and put an overall ugly vibe on an otherwise positive discussion board. Let's just all try to shift our focus back to altitudes and airflows."I live to EFS"Tom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ibrobinm 0 #22 March 28, 2002 Yeah , what he said! Come on, let's get on to something FUN! I live in my own little world - - - but it's okay, they know me here. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #23 March 28, 2002 QuoteThis coming from a guy who hasn't been laid in a year.Not even close to that long........give it time.......See what a great guy I am.....Nathan seemed pretty gay and I still jumped with him....."I only have 145 jumps so I always carry a JM so he can pull for me."-Clay Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SBS 0 #24 March 28, 2002 I believe some men/women chose to be gay by choice and some are just naturally gay.Good point...I don't think anyone can argue that there are those who most definitely live that lifestyle by choice. I still say it doesn't matter either way, when talking about showing respect to another human being. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JDBoston 0 #25 March 28, 2002 I'm no scientist, but I think of it more like an anomaly that recurs from generation to generation with the same frequency. Maybe there's a hereditary factor, maybe it's some biochemical thing in the early stages of development. Either way the probability is relatively fixed in each generation. Anyone know if there have been studies done on its frequency in different regions/populations/ethnic groups? THAT would be interesting.Joe Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
