ok what fragrance do you wear??

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He said "Wow! I didn't know you wear makeup!"

I wouldn't take it as an insult. I find most guys can't really tell. A lot of guys who say they like the "natural" look, don't really know what that is b/c so many products out their strive to be un-noticable. Sometimes I can't even tell. I won't mention her name but a skydiver I jumped with the other day told me she wears it and I had no clue. Usually, though, unless it's a bright red lipstick or purple eye-lids......most guys don't really know how to tell a truly "natural" look when they see one. My boyfriend, for instance, sometimes can't tell whether I'm wearing it or not. I don't really take it as a compliment or otherwise......he's really indifferent about it....wear it, don't wear it, he doesn't careMuch love and blue skies,
Carrie http://www.geocities.com/skydivegrl20/

[billvon 3,113]

>Your definition of superficial seems a little extreme. I don't do anything to my hair
> but I enjoy wearing some makeup and spritzing on something I like the smell of.
> I don't think that makes me, or any other woman who does the same thing,
>superficial.
There's absolutely nothing wrong with that - you should, like you say, have fun with your body if you want.
But I have come to believe that you are what you do, not what you say or what you believe. If you jump 200 times a year, you're a skydiver. If you never jump, but you talk about it incessantly, you're not a skydiver. Maybe you're a good talker or good lecturer, but you're not a skydiver. If you put solar panels on your roof, ride your bike to work, buy an efficient car, recycle etc. you're an environmentalist. If you drive your big SUV to save-the-whales rallies, and live in a house with the AC cranked all the time, you're not.
In this case, if you spend, say, 5% of your waking life putting on and taking off makeup, you are putting a lot of effort into changing your superficial appearance, and that means you're more superficial than someone who doesn't do it.
Again, there's nothing wrong with this. Heck, I go to movies, and thus support people who are the ultimate in superficiality - actors.
> Haven't you ever lit candles because you enjoy how they smell?
No.
>Do you consider that a superficial item because it changes the natural smell
>of your room?
It changes one superficial aspect of a room, yes. And to answer your question a different way - if someone farts in a room, it stinks. I'd rather smell that stink than smell that stink plus room freshener. To me, that's two stinks instead of one. Personally I'd rather just open the window.
>It seems to me, women can not win either way. If they fix themselves up, men
>say, "Why don't you spend less time getting ready?" and if women never take
> any time to fix themselves up, men say, "Why don't you dress up once in a
>while?"
I would suggest that you do what _you_ want, not do what will get you the least grief from men. There is way too much nonsense along the lines of "Well, I thought he'd like this, but then I did it and he didn't appreciate it . . ." If you present yourself how you want, and he doesn't like it, too bad for him. His loss.
> It takes me an extra 15 minutes after I get out of the shower to put a little
> makeup on and spray some perfume. It's not like I spent thousands of dollars
> having my lips enhanced or breasts enhanced or fat sucked out.
I would bet you've spent thousands of dollars on cosmetics over the years. That's only 100 $10 bottles of perfume, makeup, eyeliner, and whatever else women use.
>I think whatever makes you happy, go for it.
And I think that's the bottom line. Do what you want, even if it means lots of makeup or perfume. I don't go for that, but that shouldn't influence you - god knows I don't represent most of male society.
-bill von

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It changes one superficial aspect of a room, yes. And to answer your question a different way - if someone farts in a room, it stinks. I'd rather smell that stink than smell that stink plus room freshener. To me, that's two stinks instead of one. Personally I'd rather just open the window.

LOL. Nice anology Bill!

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The judge instructs Mr. Novak to answer the original question!
I swear you must have footprints on the back of your helmet - chicagoskydiver

[billvon 3,113]

>I wear a little makeup... once one of my guy friends saw me putting on makeup
> and was astounded! He said "Wow! I didn't know you wear makeup!" I didn't
> know whether to take that as a compliment or insult!
I will be the first to admit I know nothing about makeup. But if there is a makeup company that sells some sort of makeup that women are willing to buy, and that doesn't noticeably change their appearance, and actually advertises this as a _good_ thing - my hat's off to them. Now that's pure marketing genius.
-bill von

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I like coolwater. I don't usually wear anything, so I just bum off my roomates perfume. Then, they bought me my own.
The mind is like a parachute--it works better when it is open. JUMP.

[billvon 3,113]

>The judge instructs Mr. Novak to answer the original question!
Which was - what perfume I wear? None. What do I smell like? In the morning I smell like soap. If I'm doing something active (like jumping) I smell like sweat in the afternoon. Today I smell like a cotton jumpsuit, actually, along with some Otay dust.
-bill von

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I smell like sweat in the afternoon.

Stay away from SkyMama because she doesn't like sweat. The thinks it tastes like hummus...?

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speaking of Otay how was it today?
I swear you must have footprints on the back of your helmet - chicagoskydiver

[billvon 3,113]

>speaking of Otay how was it today?
Fun. About 10 loads altogether, a lot of light loads (10-12 people.) Buzz finally got the big generator, which I of course now have to install. The Bytch was down there, as were Robert and Judy, Mike F, Dave Nagy, and maybe 10 other regulars. Had maybe 10 tandems, 2 AFF's. Slow, but fun.
-bill von

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Damn i missed The Bytch! I haven't had the chance to Talk with Judy in a couple months she is super cool.
If your not installing the generator this coming weekend give me a call and i will help with what i can. Was steve out there? I havn't talked to him since the the day before he got out of the Hospital. Man of all days to stay home and pig out!
How were the winds/clouds?
I swear you must have footprints on the back of your helmet - chicagoskydiver

[billvon 3,113]

>How were the winds/clouds?
Winds were light, only got significant (10-12 kts) for about an hour. No clouds, just haze.
-bill von

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I wear Allure by channel, although since Derek has almost no sense of smell I very rarely wear it, I think I’ve worn it twice in the last 10 months. Although, come to think of it he did notice it the last time I wore it when we were...ummm...hugging...yeah that's it hugging.
Oh and I have a tattoo and I love it. Actually yesterday when I was running around in a bikini, I was looking at it just loving the way it looked. It's on my hip and unless I'm naked or in a tiny bikini you can't see it, so I definitely did it only for me. Heck most people don't know I have it cause I normally wear the boy shorts swimsuit bottoms.
As for wearing make-up or doing your hair making you superficial.....well that is a pretty bold statement. I know HR people that will disqualify a candidate solely on the fact that they didn't "clean" themselves up. That may be discrimination, but as long as humans judge other humans, that is going to happen. So there are a lot of time you have to follow what others consider as the "norm" whether you like it or not. Another thing is there is enough self-esteem issues that women are dealing with that for them following the “norm” is easier than doing like me and not wearing make-up. Personally I don’t wear make-up, and I sport wash and go hair, but I do know when to suck it up and spend the extra 15 min to “do my self up” because social situations require it.

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Clinique Chemistry for Men

[AggieDave 6]

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Oh and I have a tattoo and I love it.

God, I love my tattoo...I want another one, like NOW! ).
That and I lift weights religously, mainly for my own pleasure, but I love how it makes me look. I'm working very hard on getting big, I have a desired weight/body fat % ratio that I want to get to, though I don't think it superficial. Its a hobby, a very addictive hobby actually, especially it is very hard to do, unless you use drugs, then its easy but you ravage your body.
"Homer Simpson, smiling politely."

[skybytch 273]

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Today I smell like a cotton jumpsuit, actually, along with some Otay dust.

He tells the truth, well, along with a little bit of sweat. I know, I smelled him (get yer mind outta the gutter, geez, it was just a hug).
pull & flare,
lisa
"But our reality is in fact entire illusion!"
-Gregory Benford

[billvon 3,113]

>As for wearing make-up or doing your hair making you superficial.....well that is a
> pretty bold statement.
Makeup changes your superficial appearance; if you use it often, you are doing something superficial often; people who do superficial things often are more superficial than people who do not do superficial things.
>I know HR people that will disqualify a candidate solely on the fact that they
> didn't "clean" themselves up.
I know men who won't go out with women who don't wear makeup, and I'm pretty sure you can't be a model or a porn star or a TV news anchor without wearing makeup. That doesn't make it any less superficial.
>That may be discrimination, but as long as humans judge other humans, that is
> going to happen. So there are a lot of time you have to follow what others
>consider as the "norm" whether you like it or not.
I agree 100%. We all do things to fit in to our society. Some are purely practical (i.e. you don't poop on the sidewalks) some are purely superficial (i.e. you wear a suit to an important meeting to present the right superficial appearance.)
>Another thing is there is enough self-esteem issues that women are dealing with
> that for them following the “norm” is easier than doing like me and not wearing
>make-up.
Again, I agree. It's a lot easier to do whatever everyone else does. I do not see the value in that, but I don't claim that other people shouldn't do whatever they want - whether that's following the herd or not.
-bill von

[AggieDave 6]

You've got to love that "skydiving smell." Its sort of a mix of canopy smell, sweat and Jet-A. Just a whiff brings a feeling of being at the DZ...come on, you know what I'm talking about. "Homer Simpson, smiling politely."

[Iflyme 0]

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The judge instructs Mr. Novak to answer the original question!

I work with several man who wear lots of make-up -- it's not so bad... Of course, it's for the tv lights...
"There's nothing new under the sun"

[skybytch 273]

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So there are a lot of time you have to follow what others consider as the "norm" whether you like it or not.

I don't wear makeup, I sport "wash and go" hair, I usually wear jeans, shorts or sweats and t-shirts, tanks or sweatshirts, my closing pin necklace is the only jewelry I wear and I very rarely use any kind of perfume. I have a job that doesn't require me to follow any kind of norm (other than wearing _some_ form of clothing), and that's the kind of jobs I've always had - the thought of having to wear high heels, dresses and makeup to work everyday gives me the willies; not gonna go there, not even for the big bucks.

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Another thing is there is enough self-esteem issues that women are dealing with that for them following the “norm” is easier than doing like me and not wearing make-up.

I quit caring what anyone else thinks about my appearance a long time ago. I choose not to put on what I consider a "front" to make you like me or want to be around me. I am who I am; if someone doesn't like me based solely on what I look like, smell like or do or don't wear, that's a person that I have no desire to hang out with.
pull & flare,
lisa
"But our reality is in fact entire illusion!"
-Gregory Benford