freefalle 0 #1 April 9, 2002 Update on a missing Deland Skydiver. As of approx. 2330 hrs all rescue efforts had been suspended until approx 0700hrs to find the missing Deland Skydiver. His name is David Hoven he is approx. 70 years old, he is a familiar face around skydive deland he is a hell of a nice guy. Gods speed David. Ladies and gentlemen, Please do me a favor, I know and work with most of the Police AND Fire Fighters involved in this search and rescue effort. PLEASE do not bad mouth them. They are hard working professionals who will do there best to find David. I dont know shit about what you do for a living therefore I will not judge or attempt criticize decisions you or people in your career field make. Give me the same courtesy. This will not bring David home safe and it pisses people off.As stated in a previous post David was on a load at approx. 1600hrs he was making a hop n pop at approx 5000 feet. No one on the load or on the DZ can positively state wether or not David ever got under canopy. As a 2330 hrs the search grid had been significantly narrowed down and crews are hopeful tomorrow will bring closure to this incident Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Viking 0 #2 April 9, 2002 God Speed to David and to the Rescue Crew. I swear you must have footprints on the back of your helmet - chicagoskydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zinger 0 #3 April 9, 2002 If they are doing all they can then why did they quit looking for him till 7.00 AM ? If I was there I would not of quit due to lack of daylight. All that fancy search equipment and they don't have flashlights? I bet if you spoke to any of his family, friends or for this matter HIM, I bet they would want people to keep searching threw the night, If I was any where close I would not of given up. Most cops are nothing but egotistical control freaks that could not make it in the armed service so they try to bring the military ways to the general public where it is not understood by most and resented by almost all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mountainman 0 #4 April 9, 2002 QuoteMost cops are nothing but egotistical control freaks that could not make it in the armed service so they try to bring the military ways to the general public where it is not understood by most and resented by almost all.Why don't you tell that to one face-to-face? I just want to tell all those SNR people "good job" for keeping up the search and doing whatever you can do. I can understand waiting till better light to do a search.Some people in this world just don't appreciate much.JumpinDuo.com...come and sign the guestbook. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zinger 0 #5 April 9, 2002 I have said that face to face to a cop before and will again if need be, Why should I be scared to?? They work for US and are paid by US and are suppose to be protecting US so why are SOME so rude to US? If that poor old man was your dad would you of quit looking? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diverdriver 7 #6 April 9, 2002 Can you say aligators? Sometimes the risk to the search crew is so significant that decisions have to be made to keep from having more victims.Back that attitude up on cops. Many a night they came running when I worked at a hotel in Daytona Beach during Spring Break. When I needed help they were there. FAST. One night a dumbass had a gun. Cops got there pronto. So, I for one don't appreciate this overall characterisation of our police force.Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kevin922 0 #7 April 9, 2002 Quote have said that face to face to a cop before and will again if need be, Why should I be scared to?? They work for US and are paid by US and are suppose to be protecting US so why are SOME so rude to US? If that poor old man was your dad would you of quit looking?You obviously haven't seen the video of the teenager running up to a cop and flicking him off to his face.. the cop took out the ASP and started beating the crap out of the guy.. while I am almost positive the cop is 100% in error here, I really don't want my ass kicked cause I called him a stupid son of a B*atch. Then again, I am going through the background check now for Arlington County PD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skybytch 273 #8 April 9, 2002 Can we not turn a thread about a missing skydiver into a debate about police? Please?Let's remember what's important here - one of us didn't make it back from a skydive. I for one hope that he is found safe and sound very soon...pull & flare,lisa Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AndyMan 7 #9 April 9, 2002 QuoteCan we not turn a thread about a missing skydiver into a debate about police? Please?Yeah, seriously. Let's show some tact here. We've probably just lost a friend. This is terrible news..._AmICQ: 5578907MSN Messenger: andrewdmetcalfe at hotmail dot com AIM: andrewdmetcalfeYahoo IM: ametcalf_1999 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ramon 0 #10 April 9, 2002 I am guilty too. looks too much like wreckdot.BSBDramon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JJohnson 0 #11 April 9, 2002 That is a very sterotypical observation on cops in general. Rather in bad taste. Most cops I have had the opportunity to meet and have given me bad attitude...well I probably had it coming. And were is it written that all of these SNR people are cops? Perhaps some are volunteers? Cut them some slack. When was the last time you stayed out all night crawling through the brush looking for a needle in haystack? Ever look for a lost main in cornfield during the daytime? Not easy.Give the people involved a chance to do their jobs. I'm sure the jumpers in Deland would be raising all sorts of shit if they thought the situation was being handled incorrectly.Even if it is being handled wrong, don't apply that to every cop or ex-military. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skymama 37 #12 April 9, 2002 I just heard on the news that David's body was found at 9:30 this morning by the search and rescue teams.Blue Skies, David.Andi"Yes it's windy. There are ripples on the pond." weid14 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bbarnhouse 0 #13 April 9, 2002 On a wing and a prayer David......May God Bless you and keep you.It only takes a little pixie dust...... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites james1010 0 #14 April 9, 2002 Blue Skies David, May God bless you and your family Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhreeZone 20 #15 April 9, 2002 Blue Skies David..."Hey.. Its my camera, and my remote... I'll rewind if I want to!" ~ Goat #2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Michele 1 #16 April 9, 2002 God Speed, blue skies, and prayers for you, David, and your family.MicheleIf you really want to, you can seize the day; if you really want to, you can fly away...~enya~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skybytch 273 #17 April 9, 2002 Blue skies forever David...pull & flare,lisa Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jceman 1 #18 April 9, 2002 QuoteIf they are doing all they can then why did they quit looking for him till 7.00 AM ?I wasn't going to comment on this, especially since the search has come to its unfortunate end, but you, zinger, have obviously never been to Deland, or anywhere else in Florida. Let me clue you in -- we have two types or terrain here, developed land (homes/golf courses, etc.) on which it would be easy to search in any light conditions/weather; the second is palmettoscrub/swamp.In the second it can be impossible to see someone 6 feet away, if you can make any progress through the swamp and keep from getting cut to shreds by sharp leaves. Keeping your bearings is nigh impossible as well. What do you want, 20 people wandering in impassable terrain, getting lost and injured? Suspending the search until first light(which, by the way was after 7a.m. today) was the safest thing for the searchers to do. I'm sure they didn't want to stop, they had to. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkyDekker 1,465 #19 April 9, 2002 blue skies David, blue skies foreverSkyDekker"We cannot do great things, only small things with great love" Mother Theresa Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Billy 0 #20 April 9, 2002 My thoughts are with his friends and family,, and I'm thinkin,, 70 yrs old,,, If I live that long an don't die while having sex,, it ain't a bad way to go,, told my family over Easter I'd rather crater in than die with a crater hole bedsore on my ass.... Peace now DavidDon't read this,,, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SniperCJ 0 #21 April 9, 2002 Hey Zinger, I'm going to go ahead and resort to "egotistical control freak" type tactics since that is all juvenile ignorant punks like you understand most of the time, so PISS OFF!Ive been a cop for over 13 years. Its my choice to be here and to continue to be here in spite of assholes like you I have to deal with on a daily basis. You armchair quarterback every situation I am in convinced of your ability to do a better job in less time and certainly with better results. So please, strap it on and come do a better job or shut the hell up and let ME do my job.To borrow a phrase from Jack "I'd prefer you just said Thank You and went on your way".And by all means, since its what you understand, come say it face to face.JC Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites sunshine 2 #22 April 9, 2002 Blue skies forever to David. Prayers to his family and friends."Who gave Phreezone the remote again?!" ~ Goat Blower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rgoper 0 #23 April 9, 2002 sleep well with the angels david, blue skies forever.Richard Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Zinger 0 #24 April 9, 2002 I just can't believe I'm reading this crap, They where NOT looking for a main in a corn field, they where NOT looking for a needle in a hay stack they where looking for a old man, fellow skydiver who needed help, How do you think his friends and family felt all night? What if he suffered before he died because he needed help and the people that are trained to help, have the best equipment to help, are paid to help, don't help because it's night? It seems more people tried to think of reasons not to help instead of using your back bone to pick up a flashlight and help a person in need. I'm ashamed of everyone that quit because of night. Rescue workers should know that there is danger in what they do, if your afraid of that danger then stand back and let someone that can do the job do the job. But don't give up on a fellow human being because it's dark. People have said my posts are in bad taste, Well going to bed when a old man, fellow skydiver is laying outside in need of help would give me a taste I could not swallow and I would of been out there looking till he was found and his family could sleep.... To the friends and family of the jumper, My condolences. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SniperCJ 0 #25 April 9, 2002 "Can we not turn a thread about a missing skydiver into a debate about police? Please?"True true. My bad as well. Touchy topic with me but I shouldnt let myself get sidetracked by ignorance.Blue Skies Brother! 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skybytch 273 #8 April 9, 2002 Can we not turn a thread about a missing skydiver into a debate about police? Please?Let's remember what's important here - one of us didn't make it back from a skydive. I for one hope that he is found safe and sound very soon...pull & flare,lisa Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndyMan 7 #9 April 9, 2002 QuoteCan we not turn a thread about a missing skydiver into a debate about police? Please?Yeah, seriously. Let's show some tact here. We've probably just lost a friend. This is terrible news..._AmICQ: 5578907MSN Messenger: andrewdmetcalfe at hotmail dot com AIM: andrewdmetcalfeYahoo IM: ametcalf_1999 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ramon 0 #10 April 9, 2002 I am guilty too. looks too much like wreckdot.BSBDramon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JJohnson 0 #11 April 9, 2002 That is a very sterotypical observation on cops in general. Rather in bad taste. Most cops I have had the opportunity to meet and have given me bad attitude...well I probably had it coming. And were is it written that all of these SNR people are cops? Perhaps some are volunteers? Cut them some slack. When was the last time you stayed out all night crawling through the brush looking for a needle in haystack? Ever look for a lost main in cornfield during the daytime? Not easy.Give the people involved a chance to do their jobs. I'm sure the jumpers in Deland would be raising all sorts of shit if they thought the situation was being handled incorrectly.Even if it is being handled wrong, don't apply that to every cop or ex-military. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skymama 37 #12 April 9, 2002 I just heard on the news that David's body was found at 9:30 this morning by the search and rescue teams.Blue Skies, David.Andi"Yes it's windy. There are ripples on the pond." weid14 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bbarnhouse 0 #13 April 9, 2002 On a wing and a prayer David......May God Bless you and keep you.It only takes a little pixie dust...... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
james1010 0 #14 April 9, 2002 Blue Skies David, May God bless you and your family Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #15 April 9, 2002 Blue Skies David..."Hey.. Its my camera, and my remote... I'll rewind if I want to!" ~ Goat #2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michele 1 #16 April 9, 2002 God Speed, blue skies, and prayers for you, David, and your family.MicheleIf you really want to, you can seize the day; if you really want to, you can fly away...~enya~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skybytch 273 #17 April 9, 2002 Blue skies forever David...pull & flare,lisa Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jceman 1 #18 April 9, 2002 QuoteIf they are doing all they can then why did they quit looking for him till 7.00 AM ?I wasn't going to comment on this, especially since the search has come to its unfortunate end, but you, zinger, have obviously never been to Deland, or anywhere else in Florida. Let me clue you in -- we have two types or terrain here, developed land (homes/golf courses, etc.) on which it would be easy to search in any light conditions/weather; the second is palmettoscrub/swamp.In the second it can be impossible to see someone 6 feet away, if you can make any progress through the swamp and keep from getting cut to shreds by sharp leaves. Keeping your bearings is nigh impossible as well. What do you want, 20 people wandering in impassable terrain, getting lost and injured? Suspending the search until first light(which, by the way was after 7a.m. today) was the safest thing for the searchers to do. I'm sure they didn't want to stop, they had to. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #19 April 9, 2002 blue skies David, blue skies foreverSkyDekker"We cannot do great things, only small things with great love" Mother Theresa Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Billy 0 #20 April 9, 2002 My thoughts are with his friends and family,, and I'm thinkin,, 70 yrs old,,, If I live that long an don't die while having sex,, it ain't a bad way to go,, told my family over Easter I'd rather crater in than die with a crater hole bedsore on my ass.... Peace now DavidDon't read this,,, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SniperCJ 0 #21 April 9, 2002 Hey Zinger, I'm going to go ahead and resort to "egotistical control freak" type tactics since that is all juvenile ignorant punks like you understand most of the time, so PISS OFF!Ive been a cop for over 13 years. Its my choice to be here and to continue to be here in spite of assholes like you I have to deal with on a daily basis. You armchair quarterback every situation I am in convinced of your ability to do a better job in less time and certainly with better results. So please, strap it on and come do a better job or shut the hell up and let ME do my job.To borrow a phrase from Jack "I'd prefer you just said Thank You and went on your way".And by all means, since its what you understand, come say it face to face.JC Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sunshine 2 #22 April 9, 2002 Blue skies forever to David. Prayers to his family and friends."Who gave Phreezone the remote again?!" ~ Goat Blower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rgoper 0 #23 April 9, 2002 sleep well with the angels david, blue skies forever.Richard Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zinger 0 #24 April 9, 2002 I just can't believe I'm reading this crap, They where NOT looking for a main in a corn field, they where NOT looking for a needle in a hay stack they where looking for a old man, fellow skydiver who needed help, How do you think his friends and family felt all night? What if he suffered before he died because he needed help and the people that are trained to help, have the best equipment to help, are paid to help, don't help because it's night? It seems more people tried to think of reasons not to help instead of using your back bone to pick up a flashlight and help a person in need. I'm ashamed of everyone that quit because of night. Rescue workers should know that there is danger in what they do, if your afraid of that danger then stand back and let someone that can do the job do the job. But don't give up on a fellow human being because it's dark. People have said my posts are in bad taste, Well going to bed when a old man, fellow skydiver is laying outside in need of help would give me a taste I could not swallow and I would of been out there looking till he was found and his family could sleep.... To the friends and family of the jumper, My condolences. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SniperCJ 0 #25 April 9, 2002 "Can we not turn a thread about a missing skydiver into a debate about police? Please?"True true. My bad as well. Touchy topic with me but I shouldnt let myself get sidetracked by ignorance.Blue Skies Brother! And condolences to family and friends in Deland.JC Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
