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[favaks 0]

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Some people believe that you can DO the most horrible things in the world, but if you truely accept Jesus as your saviour, you still get to be saved. In other words, it doesn't matter what you DO. You can be the most loving, generous person in the world, bu if you don't accept Jesus as your saviour, then ya get to burn in hell.

If such god exists, it's only a matter of time that he'll screw the believers.
favaks

[kmcguffee 0]

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If such god exists, it's only a matter of time that he'll screw the believers.

Such optimism!

[billvon 3,090]

>Soldiers have a job to do just like you or me. That job does not reflect on their
> ethics or morality in a negative way.
I did not suggest that it did. Indeed, former active military often make the best leaders - not because they like violence, but because they know how bad war can be, and are willing to go to great lengths to avoid it.
> Your statement 'might makes right' has a very negative connotation to it.
You made that statement, not I. I agree that it has negative connotations.
-bill von

[james1010 0]

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I'd like to think that the good people I know who don't believe, will be on equal footing with everyone else _later_.

I am a Bible believer, therefore my statements come from that standpoint. I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that you most likely are not. In any case, the underlying current throughout the entire Bible is salvation through, and only through, the redemptive work of Christ and ones subsequent acceptance of Him. Living a good life won't do it, only through Christ comes salvation. This is extremely difficult for man to understand, primarily because he doesn't understand what is really involved here. The fact is, we are all sinners, and in God's eyes sin is sin, whether it's a little white lie or murder. Romans 3:23 says " For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God." This is inclusive of everyone. Romans 6:23 goes onto say " For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ." You see, according to the Bible, the only way to escape the penalty for sin is Christ. Romans 10:9-10 shows us how to be saved: "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation." It has nothing to do with how good you think you are or others think you are, what matters is have you accepted Gods Son and the price He paid for your salvation. That is what the Bible says, one either believes or doesn't believe.

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What's the difference between authored, and written?

The difference in this case, and only this case, is that the Bible is (I believe) the inspired word of God. The writers were moved by the Spirit of God to write His words . . not thiers.
James

[quade 4]

James a quick hypothetical.
If in the last moments inside the bunker Hitler had accepted Jesus, would he have been saved? Would God have forgiven him all of his sins and let him into Heaven?
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[scottbre 0]

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In any case, the underlying current throughout the entire Bible is salvation through, and only through, the redemptive work of Christ and ones subsequent acceptance of Him.

For someone who claims to be as familiar with the bible as you seem to, maybe you should spend a bit more time with it. Christ is only mentioned in the New Testament, and thus what you wrote that I quoted above is just wrong.
200 feet of Saran Wrap and noone to play with. . .

[james1010 0]

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[james1010 0]

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For someone who claims to be as familiar with the bible as you seem to, maybe you should spend a bit more time with it. Christ is only mentioned in the New Testament, and thus what you wrote that I quoted above is just wrong.

The Old Testament is the history of the line through which Christ came all the way back to Adam. The first prophetic mention of Christ, in fact, is in Genesis 3:15. There are many wonderful refernces to salvation in the Old Testament. In fact most of the accounts are shadows of salvation. The Old Testament can can be said to be " The New testament Concealed". It's really a wonderful study when you get into it.
James

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Genesis 3:15

"And I will put enmity
between you and the woman,
and between your offspring and hers;
he will crush your head,
and you will strike his heel."
Yea, that sounds like Jesus alright.
200 feet of Saran Wrap and noone to play with. . .

[kmcguffee 0]

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You made that statement, not I. I agree that it has negative connotations.

No, Sinkster made that statement referencing a hypothetical situation where he killed someone and got away with it. You inferred that he would be a good soldier because he believed, in that hypothetical situation, that 'might makes right'.

[kmcguffee 0]

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"And I will put enmity
between you and the woman,
and between your offspring and hers;
he will crush your head,
and you will strike his heel."

God is addressing the serpent (the devil ) in this passage. The woman is Mary (Mother of Jesus) and the person that will crush the serpent's head is Jesus (her offspring). Most Biblical scholars believe this is a prophecy about the coming of Christ.

[james1010 0]

The offspring of the woman that crushes the head of satan is Jesus.
Forgive me for not getting to in depth, I'm at work. It's hard, I really want to offer you more insight. In the meantime, reference these verses in regard to Genesis 3:15. 1 John 3:7-8, 1 Cor. 15:24-28
James

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If in the last moments inside the bunker Hitler had accepted Jesus, would he have been saved? Would God have forgiven him all of his sins and let him into Heaven?

Yes, he would have been saved, but by that point although Hitler would have been able to be saved he probably would have been unwilling. Doctor Faustus by Christopher Marlowe and Aristotle's analogy of the drunkard provide insights into exactly this sort of thing. The idea is that through repeatedly sinning Faustus hardened his heart until he was unwilling to repent.(but still technically able according to Christian theology) Aristotle's analogy of the drunkard is like this as far as I can remember: a man drinks one or two beers every now and then and enjoys them, but can really quit any time he wants. Then he drinks one more than usual the next time but he can still quit whenever and doesn't have to drink regularly. But the next time he drinks one more than usual. Then one more. Then one more. etc. Over time the man loses the ability to quit whenever he wants and becomes a drunkard.
Like Faustus, Hitler may have been crying out in anguish and torment over his sins and his inevitable damnation at the last, but nevertheless unwilling to truly repent because of the repeated damage he had done to his soul over time. It is one thing to be sorry for your sins because you don't want to be a piece of human bacon in a frying pan. It's another thing to repent of those sins because you realize that they grieve God, hurt other people, and are truly wrong.
-Sinkster

[james1010 0]

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It is one thing to be sorry for your sins because you don't want to be a piece of human bacon in a frying pan. It's another thing to repent of those sins because you realize that they grieve God, hurt other people, and are truly wrong.

Well said.

[FallingILweenie 0]

"I did everything the bible said...even the stuff that contradicts the other stuff..."
-Ned Flanders
"Marge, it takes 2 people to lie. One to lie and one to listen."
-Homer

[Muenkel 0]

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If in the last moments inside the bunker Hitler had accepted Jesus, would he have been saved? Would God have forgiven him all of his sins and let him into Heaven?

I am not sure which faith Sinkster is, but according to the teachings of the Catholic Church any soul, no matter how vile can be saved if there is complete contrition. Only God is the judge of each soul. If Hitler had complete contrition of his sins at the end of his life and asked God for his forgiveness, he would be spared the fires of hell. However, there is still temporal punishment. Which means, he would have to be purified before he could enter Heaven. Although it is possible for him to go straight to Heaven, most likely he would have gone to purgatory to be cleansed. Once again, this is the teachings of the Catholic Church. I do not speak for any other faith.
I know the idea of having Hitler sit next to you at a banquet table in Heaven would be disconcerting, but I do find this comforting because my faith teaches that no matter how heinous the sin, God's forgiveness is greater. This gives me hope.
Such an interesting monster with such an interesting hairdo.
Chris

[ChromeBoy 0]

Faith Hill...I would like to bumper sticker!

[Muenkel 0]

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Faith Hill...I would like to bumper sticker!

Now that's someone who I think will get into Heaven no matter what.
Such an interesting monster with such an interesting hairdo.
Chris

[FallingILweenie 0]

This thread was more serious than an RW dirt dive...
Isn't it funny how an issue like religion, which to believers are teachings to help make one a better person, can be so devisive and lead to so much conflict?
blue skies
Tomas
"Marge, it takes 2 people to lie. One to lie and one to listen."
-Homer

[Muenkel 0]

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Isn't it funny how an issue like religion, which to believers are teachings to help make one a better person, can be so devisive and lead to so much conflict?

That's because everyone else is wrong and I am right.
Such an interesting monster with such an interesting hairdo.
Chris

[james1010 0]

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Isn't it funny how an issue like religion, which to believers are teachings to help make one a better person, can be so devisive and lead to so much conflict?

Please don't confuse conflict with an open dicussion.
James

[FallingILweenie 0]

I meant in general, not here specifically...sorry i should have been more specific about how not specific i was, specifically.
"Marge, it takes 2 people to lie. One to lie and one to listen."
-Homer

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1. i dont beleive in any god but when i said it was irrelevant i meant to the fact that it was written by man.
2.cars and the internet are important jusat like camels and sheep where in the time it was written
3. regardless of wether or not it was written by ppl "possesed" by god it was still writen by a person to be read and understood by another person
4. this is even proven by the different storeys in the bible about jesus they are all different and some slightly contridict eachother, this doesnt mean it didnt happen or god doesnt exist just that it was written by a person , also they where written at different times and therfor reflect the current situation.
are jewish ppl going to hell??? ive never met any but from tv and books they seem alot more devoted than christians, and how about the mormans, or how about the romans, babarians m egyptians, greeks etc etc etc of the time that the bible was written in, mind u at that time most of the world did not believe in a christian god (and infact today most of the world still doesnt) so basicly aslong as you are christian and repent your sins you go to heaven anything else you go to hell hmmm must be pretty full by now.
Opinions are like a-holes everyone has one, the only one that does you any good is yours and all that comes out is shit

[james1010 0]

Sad, but true.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

I recently read an article explaining why the mormons keep such good records on families etc etc (technical word escapes me for a second)
Anybody know the answer?
SkyDekker
"We cannot do great things, only small things with great love" Mother Theresa