kmcguffee 0 #76 April 23, 2002 QuoteWhich one though? There are a couple of them out there and they all claim to be the right one.... You were quoting from the Christian Bible so I assume that would be the one you should look up. Any translation would do (King James, NIV, etc). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #77 April 23, 2002 QuoteAny translation would doGreat, can you tell me on which page God says it is ok for a state to kill people when they feel it necessary?SkyDekker"We cannot do great things, only small things with great love" Mother Theresa Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #78 April 23, 2002 How many revisions has it undergone now? Something like 15 was the last figure I had heard tossed around.The version that seems to be most accepted currently is the King James version... I challenge anyone that tells everyone else to go read their bible to get a version that was published before this revision (there are electronic copies online since only a few survived) and note all the changes. A lot is lost between the translation to english too so.... the version that people are ready to beat each other up over is'nt even close to the original.If once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny, consume you it will.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChromeBoy 0 #79 April 23, 2002 QuoteHowever, I did not ever intend on getting Faith Hill thoughts across.I saw that you dropped the ball on that so I thought I would help you out!Visit Faith Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #80 April 23, 2002 That is why true scholars will have many differnet versions of the Bible and usually a Bible that is split, with the original Greek/Hebrew (depends on what part of the Bible) on one side and a translation on the other. Then, they can look up meanings seperately and compare.Atleast, thats what the scholars do.A human cannonball, I rise above it allUp higher then a trapeze, I can fly Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kmcguffee 0 #81 April 23, 2002 QuoteGreat, can you tell me on which page God says it is ok for a state to kill people when they feel it necessary? Try this:QuoteDeuteronomy 20:10-18 :“When you draw near a city to wage war against it, you shall call out to it for peace. It shall be that if it responds to you in peace and opens for you, then the entire people found within it shall be as tribute for you, and they shall serve you. But if it does not make peace with you, but makes war with you, you shall besiege it. Hashem shall deliver it into your hand, and you shall smite all its males by the blade of the sword. Only the women, the small children, the animals, and everything that will be in the city - all its booty - may you plunder for yourselves; you shall eat the booty of your enemies, which Hashem, your G-d, gave you. So shall you do to all the cities that are very distant from you, which are not of the cities of these nations. But from the cities of these peoples that Hashem, your G-d, gives you as an inheritance, you shall not allow any person to live. Rather you shall utterly destroy them: the Hittite, the Amorite, the Canaanite, the Perizzite, the Hivvite, and the Jebusite, as Hashem, your G-d, has commanded you, so that they will not teach you to act according to all their abominations that they performed for their gods, so that you will sin to Hashem, your God.” Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #82 April 23, 2002 QuoteOnly the women, the small children, the animals, and everything that will be in the city - all its booty - may you plunder for yourselves; you shall eat the booty of your enemiesSo basically you win the battle to eat the women...bwahahahahhahhaaaahhahamm, so you really agree with this? The only two options are:1. you be my friend and make sure that everybody serves me on hand and knees and I get what I want2. If you do not like that option, I will just kill all the men and take whatever I want.I would like to think we have evolved more than that.SkyDekker"We cannot do great things, only small things with great love" Mother Theresa Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
james1010 0 #83 April 23, 2002 Quote The version that seems to be most accepted currently is the King James version I personally use the King James Version, and the link below is a wonderful explanation why so many hold to this version. A bit lengthy, but very informative. King James Version James Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JDBoston 0 #84 April 23, 2002 No, extremism is a very relative definition. Basically, it just means a minority, as opposed to majority, position. Outspoken advocates of democracy would probably be branded "extremists" in a Communist or Islamic state.Joe Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kmcguffee 0 #85 April 23, 2002 QuoteI would like to think we have evolved more than that. OK.QuoteThe only two options are:1. you be my friend and make sure that everybody serves me on hand and knees and I get what I want2. If you do not like that option, I will just kill all the men and take whatever I want. In this particular instance, yes. There is more to the story than this but, you asked. You seem to just be trolling for an argument here. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
james1010 0 #86 April 23, 2002 Quote bwahahahahhahhaaaahhahamm, so you really agree with this? You asked for an example and you got one. The important thing to remember here is the context. The Israelites were conquering the land that God had promised them, they were to drive out any people that were following false gods. In that time, human sacrifices and other abominations were being performed for these gods. To allow them to stay and subsequently accept these abominations would be a sin against the One True God. That was over 3,500 years ago. The Israelite conquest of Canaan richly parallels the Christians life of separation from the world and todays abominations.James Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
james1010 0 #87 April 23, 2002 Fair enough, Joe, I see your point.James Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
scottbre 0 #88 April 23, 2002 You can quote the bible willy-nilly to suit whatever purpose you want. Regardless of what you are trying to prove, in most cases it won't stand up against someone who's knowledge of the bible is better than superficial. My understanding is that the Old Testament of the bible has more of a purpose in the history of Christianity, while the New Testament is more of a guidebook of what Christianity is and how to be a Christian.From the New Testament:"You have heard that it was said, 'Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.' But I tell you, Do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. And if someone wants to sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well. If someone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you.- Matthew 5:38-42Here's a good bible link for quick lookup of bible quotes that suit your particular purpose. "Yea, I didn't think we'd actually be turning any points..." ~ Goat #4 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kmcguffee 0 #89 April 23, 2002 Quote"You have heard that it was said, 'Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.' But I tell you, Do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. And if someone wants to sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well. If someone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you.- Matthew 5:38-42 Again, this is referring to an individual to individual level. Anything can be twisted around to fit your purpose. Many people do that with the Bible but it doesn't decrease its true value. They also do it with the nation's laws, patriotism, Islam, etc. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
james1010 0 #90 April 23, 2002 Quote My understanding is that the Old Testament of the bible has more of a purpose in the history of Christianity, while the New Testament is more of a guidebook of what Christianity is and how to be a Christian. You're exactly right.BTW, I didn't give him the scripture reference, I was just pointing out the context to quell his laughter.james Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #91 April 23, 2002 QuotePlease tell me you're not trying to imply that having faith makes one a moron.Nope, I'm coming right out and saying that being G.W. Bush makes a person a moron. quadehttp://futurecam.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kmcguffee 0 #92 April 23, 2002 This was the question that was asked:QuoteGreat, can you tell me on which page God says it is ok for a state to kill people when they feel it necessary?I gave him one example. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
james1010 0 #93 April 23, 2002 Quote Nope, I'm coming right out and saying that being G.W. Bush makes a person a moron. Your opinion, I reckon. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
james1010 0 #94 April 23, 2002 Quote I gave him one example. I know, and it was a good one, I was just trying to put him in the context. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #95 April 23, 2002 no, I am not just trolling for an argument. I am trying to get across that we have a tendency to condemn the actions of other people and then go and do it ourselves.. We condemn Muslim extremists killing civillians, yet when the coalition forces (yes the candians as well, I am not only speaking of the USA) kill civilians it is just a side effect. If someone speaks up about it, then they are called bleeding heart liberals.I am trying to get across that a combination of religion and state, in my opinion, is a major factor in why we are currently killing people around the world. I am trying to get across that it, in my mind, whatever is stated in whatever version of the bible is based on an old society that has since evolved. Hence the stories are open to interpretation. On top of that, there are many conflicting stories in the bible, chosing which one applies is once again open to interpretation.I was trying to use your own words to make you see my points, not trolling.......SkyDekker"We cannot do great things, only small things with great love" Mother Theresa Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChromeBoy 0 #96 April 23, 2002 QuotePlease tell me you're not trying to imply that having Faith makes one a moron.I think Tim McGraw is a lucky SOB not a moron! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #97 April 23, 2002 Did ya see the little smily face?quadehttp://futurecam.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChromeBoy 0 #98 April 23, 2002 QuoteDid ya see the little smily face?I know you like Faith too Quade. Thanks for the smiley! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites quade 4 #99 April 23, 2002 James --I'm curious why you feel the need to take my opinion of G.W Bush as a personal attack on yourself?Do you really identify yourself so closely with him based solely on his beliefs?quadehttp://futurecam.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites james1010 0 #100 April 23, 2002 Yes I did, why do ask?James Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 Next Page 4 of 8 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
quade 4 #99 April 23, 2002 James --I'm curious why you feel the need to take my opinion of G.W Bush as a personal attack on yourself?Do you really identify yourself so closely with him based solely on his beliefs?quadehttp://futurecam.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
james1010 0 #100 April 23, 2002 Yes I did, why do ask?James Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
