quade 4 #26 May 1, 2002 QuoteThere are whole cultures that almost never eat meat - 90% of their diet is carbohydrates from rice or grain.There are whole cultures that never eat meat. Even right here in the U.S. -- even right here in SoCal. I'm not talking about about a couple of vegetarians at the local hippie commune. I'm talking about certain religous communities of hundreds / thousands of people.I've had a glimpse into some of these communities and they get along just fine without ever eating meat. They come in all shapes and sizes too!quadehttp://futurecam.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #27 May 1, 2002 QuoteI'm talking about certain religous communities of hundreds / thousands of peopleI think I have heard of that cult. I believe they are called Southern Californians....strange people indeed...."It's all about the BOOBIES!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
coconutmonkey 0 #28 May 1, 2002 More meat for the meat eaters! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #29 May 1, 2002 Now, now.quadehttp://futurecam.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kmcguffee 0 #30 May 1, 2002 QuoteThere are whole cultures that never eat meat. Most vegetarians are advised to supplement their diets with Iron and other vitamins/minerals that you get mainly from meat. You cannot get a complete protein (all of the essential amino acids) from a vegetable source and vegetable proteins are harder for your body to use than meat/milk proteins. Most people groups that can't supplement a vegetarian diet have a significant amount of nutrition problems.There are body builders that are vegetarians but they have to supplement like crazy. Most of them drinkand eat tons of whole milk products to make up for the lack of animal protein. I have heard some of them say that since going vegetarian it makes them less aggressive. I'm all in favor of keeping dangerous weapons out of the hands of fools. Let's start with typewriters. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #31 May 1, 2002 QuoteYou cannot get a complete protein (all of the essential amino acids) from a vegetable source . . .I'll agree, probably not from one single source. However, if you combine foods, say rice and beans, it actually does add up to a complete protein source.I'm tellin' ya, look at the diets of vegetarian Buddists. They've been doing it for thousands of years and they seem to be getting along fine on no meat whatsoever.quadehttp://futurecam.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sebazz1 2 #32 May 1, 2002 I respect everyones right to eat however they wish and believe in whatever they wish as long as they respect my right to eat steak tartar with a raw quail egg on top or filet mingon blue with a beranaise sauce.........Do you think prehistoric peoples ate meat because of the way the media depicted it.......Meat. It does a body good.......... especially with a nice red burgundy.....SEBAZZ....... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #33 May 1, 2002 Quotelook at the diets of vegetarian BuddistsAlthough it seems to have the strange side effect of causing them to dress poorly......in orange......."It's all about the BOOBIES!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kmcguffee 0 #34 May 1, 2002 QuoteHowever, if you combine foods, say rice and beans, it actually does add up to a complete protein source. You're right. It is possible to get complete proteins from combining vegetable sources but it is a pain in the butt. You would have to be a Monk in order to eat like that 100% of the time. Most people don't have that much discipline. I'm not sure about this but don't the Buddhist Monks allow fish in their diet?Now, if beer were a complete protein source I would consider going vegetarian! I'm all in favor of keeping dangerous weapons out of the hands of fools. Let's start with typewriters. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #35 May 1, 2002 More info on religions and vegetarianism HERE.quadehttp://futurecam.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kmcguffee 0 #36 May 1, 2002 QuoteIn their book, the only things that strengthen the body are foods like tiger phallus, snake blood,............I'll go without strength thank you. QuoteThe pain of creatures on the road to our table is not some fanciful concoction; it is excruciatingly real. It's going to suck one day when science discovers that plants can feel pain. Then what will we eat? j/kI'm all in favor of keeping dangerous weapons out of the hands of fools. Let's start with typewriters. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
james1010 0 #37 May 1, 2002 VEGETARIANISM . . . They're considered an 'ism? I never realized how prominent not eating animals is. I guess in rural areas you don't hear too much about it unless you go searching for it. People around here come out from miles for chili cook-offs and barbeques at the local firehall seemingly oblivious to the fact that they're eating the family and friends of the cows from the neighboring pasture.I liked the WWJE (what would jesus eat?) promotion on that site. Whats next . . . what would jesus wear?James Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndyMan 7 #38 May 1, 2002 QuoteYou're right. It is possible to get complete proteins from combining vegetable sources but it is a pain in the butt. I disagree that it's a pain in the butt. I eat a largely vegetarian died when I'm cooking at home. I really get into vegetarian cooking... it's not a pain the butt at all to use a wide variety of ingredients. Actually, it's made my cooking that much better.It's only a pain in the butt if you think the alternative is eating the exact same thing every day. Sound boring, if you ask me._AmICQ: 5578907MSN Messenger: andrewdmetcalfe at hotmail dot com AIM: andrewdmetcalfeYahoo IM: ametcalf_1999 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #39 May 1, 2002 QuoteDo you think prehistoric peoples ate meat because of the way the media depicted it.......If I remember my Discovery channel correctly......Prehistoric peoples didn't eat meat all that often. They did however eat "really big salads." Remember....plants are easier to catch. "It's all about the BOOBIES!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kmcguffee 0 #40 May 1, 2002 Quoteit's not a pain the butt at all to use a wide variety of ingredients. I don't mean just using a 'wide variety' of ingredients. I mean using the correct combination of vegetables and nuts to get a complete protein. For me that is a pain in the butt. Are you combining those ingredients so that you get a complete protein with all of the essential amino acids everytime? If you are I am really impressed.I eat low fat meats, plenty of vegetables, and complex carbs for 5-6 meals a day and I still supplement in order to ensure the right mix of vitamins and minerals. For me it would be daunting to try and do that without meat. My supplement bill would skyrocket. I'm all in favor of keeping dangerous weapons out of the hands of fools. Let's start with typewriters. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndyMan 7 #41 May 1, 2002 No I don't get out a scale and calculator every time I cook my meals. People who eat meat don't eat perfectly balanced diets, either. In fact, I'll say with confidence that I'm eating in a much more healthy manner then your typical meat-eating American.I just cook with LOTS of ingredients. Yes, this means lots of legumes, nuts, whole grains, soy products, herbs and spices, plus the really dark and colorful vegetables in almost everything I cook. I'm always making something different too, so I'm sure that anything I may miss in one meal pops up in another.Despite that, I'm not a vegetarian. I'll usually eat meat when I'm out... but if I'm going to make it myself, I find cooking vegetarian meals a lot more interesting. _AmICQ: 5578907MSN Messenger: andrewdmetcalfe at hotmail dot com AIM: andrewdmetcalfeYahoo IM: ametcalf_1999 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
james1010 0 #42 May 1, 2002 Quote I'll say with confidence that I'm eating in a much more healthy manner then your typical meat-eating American.Some great research on beef and nutrition here Make mine rare . . James Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Schroeder 0 #43 May 1, 2002 James1010, I like your un-biased reading material suggestion!That'd be like buying into military news releases!Anyways, I just had a chance to catch up with this tread, thought I'd add a thing or two. I've been vegan for a few years now, and haven't lost more than 5 pounds. It's made me leaner, and you know the comment about aggression? I absolutely agree with that. I have _much_ lower agression now, compared to before. I now enjoy a much more relaxed, laid-back lifestyle, in retrospect it's suprisingly noticable. I'm healthy, enjoy cooking the food I eat, and eat a wide range of things.I have a question for you guys:Why does it seem like people think to shoot a dog, or slit a cat's throat and let it bleed out, up-side down is cruel? But not when it happens to chickens or cattle? The whole thing seems too damned arbitrary to me. I figure that the love and compassion I show to my dog, is only a result of my bonding with him. In the same way that I bond with a friend. Through time and experience. But that doesn't mean that just because I haven't made the emotional connection with my dog/cat/fish/parrot/elephant/cow/friend, that they become demoted to this non-relevant lifeform. All they are to me is one that I don't yet have that bond with. Like comparing strangers to friends. One is potentially no less worthy of life than the other, to me. Again, I feel I must add the typical disclaimer that these are my opinions alone."and if her "lawyer" friends don't like it, f*ck'em, let em riot.......we're Sonic f*ck'n Death Monkey..." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
