Lindsey 0 #26 April 29, 2002 I wonder what percentage of the general population is a pedophile? How close is 1% to the norm? To me, it's not the fact that there are that percentage of pedophile priests, but that the church has known about it and let it continue....some days it's just not worth gnawing through the strapshttp://home.earthlink.net/~linzwalley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kmcguffee 0 #27 April 29, 2002 QuoteTo me, it's not the fact that there are that percentage of pedophile priests, but that the church has known about it and let it continue.... Well said. Also, remember there are still a lot of good priests who are not pedophiles and are not involved in the cover up. I'm all in favor of keeping dangerous weapons out of the hands of fools. Let's start with typewriters. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michele 1 #28 April 29, 2002 Quoteseeings how it is such an issue why doesnt the church make it "fine" to have sex, get married etcPedophilia is NOT about normal sex, or convenient sex, or sex between consenting adults. It is about sex with children under 12 (I think that's the age). Therefore, making marriage and "normal" sex acceptable in church doctrine for the clergy is not the answer. It has been posited that pedophilia has no "cure" - and that no treatment is currently available to correct that warped sexual drive. The answer, in my opinion, is criminal investigations of allegations by an independent investigative body (such as the local constabulary), and prosecution as necessary and warranted, with the full rights of our constitution in place and applied. Not the immediate dismissal upon allegation with no proof of the priest's wrongdoing, nor the transferring or "retreats with counselling" which is the common practice currently (or was. I suppose it's changed).The Catholic church needs to take some serious steps to rectify it's traditional methods of dealing wtih crises of this nature...as do numerous other religous organizations which conceal the crimes of their clergy.Ciels and Pinks-MicheleIf you really want to, you can seize the day; if you really want to, you can fly away...~enya~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallingMarc 0 #29 April 29, 2002 Quoteseeings how it is such an issue why doesnt the church make it "fine" to have sex, get married etc you ask me if the church wants to keep its followers it should show some balls, no transfering nothing your dropped from the church and handed over to the authoritysI agree that the Church should not just sweep this under the rug, but I have a problem with "seeings how it is such an issue why doesnt the church make it "fine" to have sex, get married etc". All that's doing is ignoring the problem. Hell, some people like killing other people. They have issues with the laws about that. We could legalize murder, then there'd be no more illegal killings. But it wouldn't stop people from killing each other, nor would it make it right.Argh, I have finals, I don't have time for this... M Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyhawk 2 #30 April 29, 2002 the sex and marrage bit was to help take some of the "temptation" away i didnt say it would stop infact i went on to say they should be dropped from the church and handed to the copsoh and there is a cure, its called a bulletOpinions are like a-holes everyone has one, the only one that does you any good is yours and all that comes out is shit Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michele 1 #31 April 29, 2002 Quotethe sex and marrage bit was to help take some of the "temptation" away i didnt say it would stop infact i went on to say they should be dropped from the church and handed to the cops You're right, you did. It's just that the temptation of sex with children will not be modified nor ameliorted by sex within a marriage, or even outside a marriage, with another consenting adult. Normal sex will not reduce the "temptation" of a pedophile, Skyhawk, and so that allowing marriage is not the answer.Ciels and Pinks-MicheleIf you really want to, you can seize the day; if you really want to, you can fly away...~enya~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Emma 0 #32 April 29, 2002 Saying that all Catholic priests are paedophiles is akin to saying all German people are Nazis. I.e., it's a stupid inference, and yes, I can see that it could be offensive.Are all Irish people terrorists? Are all Jews avaricious? Are all Americans fat?This is Skyhawk's post, and was originally triggered by (natural) horror towards an act of paedophilia that (thankfully) did not actually occur. Blasting Catholic priests seems at best, irrelevant, at worst, dangerous. They aren't all bad, as anyone with half a brain knows. Prejudice, on the other hand, is. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kmcguffee 0 #33 April 29, 2002 QuoteAre all Americans fat? Heeeeeeeeeeeey! What's up with that? I'm all in favor of keeping dangerous weapons out of the hands of fools. Let's start with typewriters. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #35 April 29, 2002 QuoteAlso, remember there are still a lot of good priests who are not pedophiles and are not involved in the cover up.Very true, but the leadership of the Roman Catholic Church continues to NOT effectively deal with the subject. Only if a priest fondles little boys more than ONCE will they think of defrocking him. You have got to be kidding me. Is once not enough? Have they not learned that when they catch him once, transferring him to another area just spreads the problem? What they effectively have said is that once or twice is fine, but when it is "serial" will they consider doing something more drastic........It disgusts me beyond belief. It makes me very very sad that I was raised Roman Catholic.......SkyDekker"We cannot do great things, only small things with great love" Mother Theresa Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michele 1 #36 April 29, 2002 Morning, Emma...QuoteSaying that all Catholic priests are paedophiles... As you replied to my post, I thought I should make clear I did not say all Catholic preists are pedophiles.....Ciels and Pinks-MicheleIf you really want to, you can seize the day; if you really want to, you can fly away...~enya~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Muenkel 0 #37 April 29, 2002 QuoteI am amazed bythis comment. All the bum-fucking priests who hid in their "church" abusing little boys deserved to be fucked up the backside by the good old boys who will bunking with them in the big house... I would think you would be FAR more offended by the actions of the paedophiles in the church...You have got to be kidding me! I am not defending any priest or member of the hierarchy that has covered any of this up. I am standing up for the really good priests who have never committed this kind of crime and now have to take the heat for the shithead colleagues who are guilty. I say, if you molest any kid, regardless of whether or not you wear a collar, your ass should be in prison immediately. That goes for anyone who learns of these crimes and covers them up!I am just growing really impatient with anti-catholic jokes and comments. Pedophilia (btw, this is the correct spelling) is NOT condoned or allowed by the true Catholic faith...despite what some of the priests, bishops and cardinals have done.If you're not confused, you're not paying attention.Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ADRNALN 0 #38 April 29, 2002 Lighten Up Francis! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Emma 0 #39 April 29, 2002 Actually this was not directed at you Michele, I didn't notice you saying 'all Catholic priests are paedophiles', my post simply happened to come after yours. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Emma 0 #40 April 29, 2002 QuotePedophilia (btw, this is the correct spelling) No, this is just the (incorrect, imho) AMERCIAN spelling... ('American English'? Talk about an oxymoron...) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 30 #41 April 29, 2002 I'm with you Emma... lets turn this thread into a good ole american bashing one.... RemsterMuff 914 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lindsey 0 #42 April 29, 2002 Uppity Brits unite?....or untie? or something......BTW....did y'all see the Senate's (I think it was ink pens) with the typo that said "Untied States Senate" some days it's just not worth gnawing through the strapshttp://home.earthlink.net/~linzwalley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kmcguffee 0 #43 April 29, 2002 America and Britain........two countries divided by a common language. (I forget who said that)BTW........we've decided the language will no longer be called English. It is now called American and you Brits need to go find your own language. We're not sharing. I'm all in favor of keeping dangerous weapons out of the hands of fools. Let's start with typewriters. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Emma 0 #44 April 29, 2002 Look mate, you'd be uppity if you were sitting in gale force bleeding winds now having not jumped all friggin' weekend. Bah. We may have shite weather but at least we know how to spell as Queen Elizabeth II herself does! At least it's not all bad here on this damp and cold little isle!('Untied'!? lmfao!) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 30 #45 April 29, 2002 Quoteand you BritsHEY!!!!!!Its not coz I'm American bashing that I'm a stupid Brit, eh!!! RemsterMuff 914 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kmcguffee 0 #46 April 29, 2002 QuoteIts not coz I'm American bashing that I'm a stupid Brit, eh!!! Sorry, just going by the profile. I didn't mean to insult you. j/kI'm all in favor of keeping dangerous weapons out of the hands of fools. Let's start with typewriters. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #47 April 29, 2002 Lighten Up Francis!"If any of you touch my stuff, I'll kill ya.If any of you call me Francis, I'll kill ya..."God what a great movie, thanks for making me remember that..."Training Sir!""What kind of training son?""ArrrRRrrmmmy training Sir!"hahahaha A human cannonball, I rise above it allUp higher then a trapeze, I can fly Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,176 #48 April 29, 2002 >It has been posited that pedophilia has no "cure" - and that no treatment >is currently available to correct that warped sexual drive.The issue is not a warped sex drive, the issue is that a person commits a crime by trying to have sex with a child. Most men have a sex drive that, if unchecked, would lead them to rape women. Men who can function in society control this urge. Men who rape women get put in jail - no one tries to "cure" them of their sex drive.I worry about statements like the one above because they can indirectly feed the victim mentality - "I'm not a criminal, I'm a victim of my uncontrollable sex-drive illness. It is society's fault that there is no treatment for my illness." Note that I'm not suggesting you believe that at all, and I agree with you that criminal investigation and prosecution is the best answer to the problem of pedophilia.-bill von Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Muenkel 0 #49 April 29, 2002 I very much agree with billvon here. Although, I don't believe the American Psychiatric Association classify rape or pedophilia as sex driven but rather a crime of "control". It has been argued that the rapist (whether they victimize adults or children) have warped issues of control and they somehow sexualize it. This is why allowing priests to marry or have sexual relations would not solve this problem. If you're not confused, you're not paying attention.Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lindsey 0 #50 April 29, 2002 I know what ya' mean, Billvon....in my social work world, I have testified many times in court against people who committed sexual crimes against children. Pedophilia is definately considered a mental illness....302.2 in the DSM-IV. However, the fact that there is no effective treatment tends to help in locking these folks up. For instance....people who "accidentallly" run over someone while drunk can often get sentenced to treatment, because effective treatment does exist....and they often reoffend. Sexual predators also tend to reoffend, but when caught, they're a lot more likely to get a prison term.some days it's just not worth gnawing through the strapshttp://home.earthlink.net/~linzwalley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
