skyhawk 2 #1 April 28, 2002 short storeywell at work today this kid bout 10 runs out to me and tells me a guy tried to make him pull down his pants in the toilets, the man was mentally retarded and his carer was in watching a movie, lukily nothing acctually happened, but i will never forget that kids face, ive seen alot of scared ppl but nothing even comes close, worse thing cause he is retarded prob nothen will happen.i dont think that any of those ppl that claim petafiles should be released after they are "corrected" would stand behind it if they saw this kids face, he was absolutly terrified at just the thought i cant even image if the man had tried or even worse succededOpinions are like a-holes everyone has one, the only one that does you any good is yours and all that comes out is shit Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flyhi 24 #2 April 28, 2002 Are you allowed to be a Catholic priest if you're retarded?flyhi Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyhawk 2 #3 April 28, 2002 probably "david letterman" the church has a new rule three strikes and your transferedOpinions are like a-holes everyone has one, the only one that does you any good is yours and all that comes out is shit Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Muenkel 0 #4 April 28, 2002 QuoteAre you allowed to be a Catholic priest if you're retardedAs a catholic, and a human, I am highly offended by this comment. While I understand where this humor is coming from, keep in mind there are many brave catholic priests who have never committed these heinous crimes, yet they have to withstand the humiliation and jokes like these. These men have more guts then you probably will ever have.Just as it is not politically correct to make racial jokes, sexual orientation jokes, etc., I would assume it should not be politically correct to make anti-catholic jokes.Thank you.If you're not confused, you're not paying attention.Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheMarshMan1 0 #5 April 28, 2002 I would hardly consider that an "anti-Catholic" joke. "If I could be like that, I would give anything, just to live one day, in those shoes..." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 643 #6 April 28, 2002 That was not an anti-Catholic joke. It was a criticism of any church that permits sexual abuse of minors.If I remember correctly, there was an embarrassing law suit launched against some Canadian Protestant churches over sexual abuse of minors in residential schools run by Protestant churches. What kind of sick, demented, perverted individual would even contemplate sex with boys before they reach puberty? What kind of organisation would permit that sort of abuse? They are not doing God's work.I have zero respect for any organization that permits that sort of abuse to continue. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ECVZZ 0 #7 April 28, 2002 Muenkel, everyone has their own way of handling stressful or disturbing situations and many of these involve humor. Would it be better if everyone got serious about it and actually jumped on that anti-catholic bus that you allude to? I think not. I also think that no harm or disrespect were meant to you or catholicism. If you and the "many brave catholic priests" who "have to withstand the humiliation and jokes" are truely concerned with the scandalous (and illegal) behaviour of a small percentage of the clergy, then I think your anger is better directed toward the leadership of the church (who allowed this situation to develop through their indifference and inaction).To this day the Mormon church struggles with its history of bigamy (and there are plenty of jokes made about that), the same will hold true for the Catholic church and sexually abusive or pedophilic priests. Change it or live with it!G. Jones"Why don't they have a light bulb that only shines on things that are worth looking at?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndyMan 7 #8 April 28, 2002 I think the church is deserving of any critisism that gets launched its way over this. That they tolerated what was going on is simply disgusting, and makes me question the very nature of what a church is suposed to be doing. What they did is indefensible.Skyhawk: I can't imagine how relieved you must've felt when you found out nothing had happened. Did you call police, notifiy authorities, or do something to get that perv some attention?How's the child? Children frequently could use come kind of councelling after that. While I'm talking about the child: WooHoo! that he knew enough to get out of that situation._AmICQ: 5578907MSN Messenger: andrewdmetcalfe at hotmail dot com AIM: andrewdmetcalfeYahoo IM: ametcalf_1999 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kevin922 0 #9 April 28, 2002 excuse me if i'm having an ADD moment, but i'm having a hard time following this story.Quote the man was mentally retarded and his carer was in watching a movie, HUH? His carer was in watching a movie? Quotelukily nothing acctually happened so he didn't actually ask the kid, and the kid was making it up for attention, or he did ask the kid and the kid didn't do it?Quoteworse thing cause he is retarded prob nothen will happen. I thought you said nothing did happen? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michele 1 #10 April 28, 2002 Hi, Kevin, no ADD moment, you just have to speak "Skyhawk".Quote the man was mentally retarded and his carer was in watching a movie,____________________________________HUH? His carer was in watching a movie? ____________________________________His caregiver was watching a movie. Quote so he didn't actually ask the kid, and the kid was making it up for attention, or he did ask the kid and the kid didn't do it?From my translation, the mentally disabled man did in fact ask him, but the child ran away. This means the crime was not consumated, due only to the child's quick thinking and ability to handle the situation, not that the mentally disabled man didn't make the request.Quoteworse thing cause he is retarded prob nothen will happen.________________________________________I thought you said nothing did happen?Because the mental retardation was severe enough that he had a caregiver, there is the significant likelihood that the man's ability to understand right and wrong is severely impaired. Since there is not a clear understanding about right and wrong, no intent can be ascribed to the "suspect". Most mentally handicapped people who require a caregiver have a comprehension level of under 10 years old, regardless of body age. Therefore, it is likely that any prosecution of the man would end in a not-guilty verdict (assuming the general parameters which US law operates under). Something did happen, and there is attendent trauma to the child. However, what didn't happen was a person who is able to understand right/wrong, and able to form intent, committed the crime. Does that help any?Ciels and Pinks-MicheleIf you really want to, you can seize the day; if you really want to, you can fly away...~enya~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #11 April 28, 2002 Michele, I think you have became a master of the hard to decipher, and highly desired skill of translating Skyhawk...If once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny, consume you it will.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ECVZZ 0 #12 April 28, 2002 And so articulate! I still think she missed her calling. She should have been a writer! G. Jones"Why don't they have a light bulb that only shines on things that are worth looking at?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michele 1 #13 April 28, 2002 Quotemaster of the hard to decipher, and highly desired skill of translating Skyhawk...LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I read it in a "Down Under" accent, and it becomes very clear! (I once worked with a man from Jamaica, and I swear, his accent was so thick that if you didn't listen in rhythm, you could not understand a thing he said! Just a bunch of gibberish, until you caught the beat he was speaking in, then POOF, you could understand him. I called it creative listening!)QuoteI still think she missed her calling. She should have been a writer!You are too kind, my friend. No, I think in this case, perhaps a code-breaker...lol again!Ciels and Pinks-MicheleIf you really want to, you can seize the day; if you really want to, you can fly away...~enya~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pammi 0 #14 April 28, 2002 It makes you wonder (at least it makes ME wonder), if something had actually happened with the boy, could the caregiver have been held responsible? I, personally, say yes. Closing pin necklaces! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lindsey 0 #15 April 28, 2002 Pammi.....probably not. Having a caregiver does not necessarily mean that a person has to be under 24-hour direct supervision. For instance, even though we, as parents, are our children's caregivers, kids still run up and down the streets and do all kinds of stuff that their parents know nothing about. Same situation for people with MR who are unable to care for themselves on a day-to-day basis. I can't think of any situation in my 12 years of social work in which a caregiver was given the responsibility of monitoring a person every minute of the day, unless the person being cared for is on an outing from some kind of locked facility.....there's no crime in a caregiver watching a moviesome days it's just not worth gnawing through the strapshttp://home.earthlink.net/~linzwalley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyhawk 2 #16 April 29, 2002 1. yer we called the cops, security etc and had the kid looked after2. yep and Michele did a great job of deciphering 3. also parents are often held responsible for there childrens actions, they where on an outing, there was about 4 retarded ppl and 2 carergivers, it is there job to look after them so she is slightly to blame.Opinions are like a-holes everyone has one, the only one that does you any good is yours and all that comes out is shit Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pammi 0 #17 April 29, 2002 You make a good point Lindsey, and honestly, I know very little about this area of things. I know that Merrick's brother is pretty severely handicapped and needs a caregiver 24/7 pretty much. He *is* allowed to play in his room (watch tv and tear up magazines basically) but never to go outside without supervision, or even eat without help. I would assume that it would have to do with the severity of the handicap *shrug*. You're right tho, we can't watch children every minute, and no one may have been aware that he had such 'interests' before now. Someone such as himself who could speak and think enough on his own to voice such a 'request' would presumably be capable of going to the bathroom without supervision, so it really wouldn't matter, I suppose, what the caregivers were doing at the time...unless he'd be gone for a longer amount of time then was necessary and no one noticed.Food for thought.Closing pin necklaces! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyhawk 2 #18 April 29, 2002 the lady didnt come and look for him for at least half an hr after it happenedOpinions are like a-holes everyone has one, the only one that does you any good is yours and all that comes out is shit Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Iflyme 0 #19 April 29, 2002 Quotepetafiles Aren't they the people who dress up like chickens to try and make us stop eating the Colonel' finger licken' good ?QuoteAs a catholic, and a human, I am highly offended by this comment I am amazed bythis comment. All the bum-fucking priests who hid in their "church" abusing little boys deserved to be fucked up the backside by the good old boys who will bunking with them in the big house... I would think you would be FAR more offended by the actions of the paedophiles in the church..."There's nothing new under the sun" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kmcguffee 0 #20 April 29, 2002 QuoteI am amazed bythis comment. You are only amazed because you "hate Bible thumpers" as I recall you posting one time. He is saying that it was not all Catholic Priests that were involved in this and not all Catholic Priests should be blasted over this. I think we should respect this and refrain from making crude jokes about it. I'm all in favor of keeping dangerous weapons out of the hands of fools. Let's start with typewriters. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #21 April 29, 2002 Last reports I heard were that over a full 1 percent of priests were being investigated while half of those had already been transfered or reasisgned in over 28 different states. In some of the remaining states local diaceses were asking for old police reports to do thier own investigations.... Its not a little issue and one thats not going to get swept under the rug easly. As more investigatons get launched its going to be intersting to see if parishners stand behind their preists or what....If once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny, consume you it will.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lindsey 0 #22 April 29, 2002 Are those the little McGuffees, then? Aren't they cute!! You need to post a bigger picture so we can see 'em better....some days it's just not worth gnawing through the strapshttp://home.earthlink.net/~linzwalley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyhawk 2 #23 April 29, 2002 1% sounds small ,but then think about it you have 100 priests in a room and atleast 1 (statisticly) is a know pedaphile 1000, 10 etc etc how many priests would there be a couple of thousand???? seeings how it is such an issue why doesnt the church make it "fine" to have sex, get married etc you ask me if the church wants to keep its followers it should show some balls, no transfering nothing your dropped from the church and handed over to the authoritysOpinions are like a-holes everyone has one, the only one that does you any good is yours and all that comes out is shit Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyhawk 2 #24 April 29, 2002 i really really cant see where these ppl are coming from im 17 and when i see 12-13 your old girls, even more mature ones dressed like britney spears i feel sick and thats only 4-5 yrs difference but pre pubesant boys i cant even see where the attraction can come from let alone the actionOpinions are like a-holes everyone has one, the only one that does you any good is yours and all that comes out is shit Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimbo 0 #25 April 29, 2002 Quoteseeings how it is such an issue why doesnt the church make it "fine" to have sex, get married etc you ask me if the church wants to keep its followers it should show some balls, no transfering nothing your dropped from the church and handed over to the authoritysDo you really think that these people (They're people before they're priests) would _not_ molest children if they were married? I don't buy it.-Jim Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
