homer 0 #1 June 17, 2002 I would like to start by saying I owe BEER!!! Now that I have your attention I would like to say OOOh SHIT!!!! I had my first complete mal on Saterday. Quite an interesting feeling when your waiting for an opening shock and after 6 seconds you still don't feel one. It was my second jump of the day and the first on my new rig. BEER for that I know. Anyway my SOB of a rigger, the same that packed my reserve earlier in the week didn't hook up my collapsible pilot chute up right. It seams he didn't put the O-link of the bridle on the inside of D-bag but left it on the outside. Well it collapsed when I pulled and only managed to clear a few lines. I cut it away BEER again and managed to make it back to the DZ for a nice running landing. Found all but the reserve handle. You would think being a rigger and having nearly 4,000 jumps you would know how to hook up a collapsible pilot chute.Beware of the toes you step on today, for they may belong to the ASS you KISS tomarrow. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites TomAiello 26 #2 June 17, 2002 ...the bottle for the rigger. Even if you're miffed now, the Good Karma is always worth the investment.--Tom Aiellotbaiello@mac.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites nws01 0 #3 June 17, 2002 Congrats and your first cutaway and may you not have many more in your future!Blue Dreams,Nathan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites cloudseeker2001 0 #4 June 17, 2002 so is he/she repacking your reserve for you or are you giving that person another chance to kill you?"no eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites cloudseeker2001 0 #5 June 17, 2002 well, "kill you" may have sounded a little crass! how about another reserve ride! that sounds better!"no eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites homer 0 #6 June 17, 2002 Thanks so do I but for some reason In the back of my head I know something was going to happen. It was the first jump on a new rig something had to go wrong. I can never have a perfect jump.Beware of the toes you step on today, for they may belong to the ASS you KISS tomarrow. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites homer 0 #7 June 17, 2002 Its sounds bad but yes he is repacking it for me and for free. He is to blame for what happened and so it the DZO who saw him put it together and thought something looked wrong but didn't do anything about it. He made a big mistake and he feels extreamly responsible for what happened. Still I trust him that much and the problem was corrected.Beware of the toes you step on today, for they may belong to the ASS you KISS tomarrow. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rhino 0 #8 June 17, 2002 Maybe you should have inspected your gear and you would have known your pilot chute wasn't hooked up Blue Skies ..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Jimbo 0 #9 June 17, 2002 QuoteMaybe you should have inspected your gear and you would have known your pilot chute wasn't hooked up Maybe he should have, but he didn't.It would be nice to think that we all knew everything about our gear, but honestly, do you expect a sub-100 jump student to know the difference between a correctly hooked up pilot chute and one that was assembled incorrectly? There comes a point where we _have_ to rely on the skills and judgement of others. Most people here probably don't know how to correctly assemble a rig (pilot chute included) and most probably never will, they have to accept that the person hired to do the work did a complete and correct job.-Jim Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites homer 0 #10 June 17, 2002 Very true and yes in this sport you should always see it for yourself. I've always used a non collapsible pilot chute so I wasn't to sure how it was supposed to be hooked up. All I know it showed green in the window indicating it was cocked. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rhino 0 #11 June 17, 2002 I wasn't bagging on him.. It was a playfull suggestion for EVERYONE to learn his or her own equipment so he AND OTHERS can avoid the cutaway and a repack. To each his own.. Another lesson here.. Find a GOOD rigger that you trust implicitly or become one yourself.. Or learn your gear and save your own ass..Rhino Blue Skies ..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites quade 4 #12 June 17, 2002 Quote. . . do you expect a sub-100 jump student to know the difference between a correctly hooked up pilot chute and one that was assembled incorrectly?To expect that of somebody using rental gear is a bit iffy since there's so many different ways to do something and manuals aren't usually given out.However, once a person owns their own gear, then yes, I do expect them to know how every part of the main, as well as most of the reserve, deployment system works and can be inspected for safe operation.I can almost guarantee it's in the book that came with it.quadehttp://futurecam.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites homer 0 #13 June 17, 2002 I know my own gear inside and out and if a pilot chute is cocked or not. The rig was put together by one of my two riggers and I trust him with my life . This is why I know it was mistake and one I know he will make sure never happens again.You say I should know my gear and I do. The only way I could have found the mistake myself was to have pulled the pin, removed the D-bag and inspect the assembling. If I was that worried he would have done it wrong I never would have let him do it in the first place. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites drenaline 0 #14 June 17, 2002 I agree with quade, know your gear. Only thing that you will never know unless you were there watching how they packed it, is the reserve, in that you will have to rely on your rigger.Remember rigger can make mistakes, they are humans after all."Life is full of danger, so why be afraid?"drenaline Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites quade 4 #15 June 17, 2002 QuoteThe only way I could have found the mistake myself was to have pulled the pin, removed the D-bag and inspect the assembling. If I was that worried he would have done it wrong I never would have let him do it in the first place.Actually, not that unreasonable of an assumption.I'll admit that the first rig I bought came with a free first pack job and I took the rig and jumped it without unpacking it and inspecting it myself. The main could have easily been mis-rigged and I wouldn't have known.I still do know know to this day if my reserve has actually ever been packed correctly. I've never had to use it.quadehttp://futurecam.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites homer 0 #16 June 17, 2002 Quade I hope never have to use it too. The way it was hooked up caused the pilot chute to collaps. It acted the same as if it had never been cocked. I know there are jumpers out there who have fogotten to do it. The way I see It it was a learning lession for everyone at the DZ that day. Shit happens now it is time to move on and focuse on next weekend when I can jump my rig again. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites freeflir29 0 #17 June 18, 2002 Hey....give the poor guy a little credit. He may have screwed up your pilot chute but at least he got the reserve right!!! I'm sure he feels terrible and won't soon forget this one....."Here I come to save the BOOBIES!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Lindsey 0 #18 June 18, 2002 Good job getting that reserve out.....I've never had a high speed mal, thank Shiva! Even the most thoughtful person is going to make a mistake periodically.....though that seems like a pretty careless one, there. One of the riggers that I use sometimes once made a horribly careless mistake, and had the person jumping that rig needed his reserve, it would not have opened....again, thank Shiva that didn't happen. We really have to weigh risks in this sport. I would never say to find a new rigger because of such a mistake, but it is certainly something to consider. I don't think you'll ever find a person who will never screw up once in a while.....which is another reason I won't be a rigger....Ya' know Smack-water Jack he bought a shotgun'cause he was in the mood for a little con-fron-ta-tion Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Billy 0 #19 June 19, 2002 Always learning in a sport that can kill ya,,, glad your ok bro Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Pammi 0 #20 June 19, 2002 QuoteHowever, once a person owns their own gear, then yes, I do expect them to know how every part of the main, as well as most of the reserve, deployment system works and can be inspected for safe operation.BTW guys, he *did* say this was a new rig for him. As Merrick found out by hooking up his pilot chute himself then having basically the same problem, cocked it appeared, but coming uncocked, rigs are different. It may appear correct, and 'act normal' (cocking etc) but NOT be. With him, it turned out that the Vector was very different then his Javelin as far as how the pilot chute is hooked up. You can't give someone a hard time over not 'knowing his gear', when for one, it may be totally different then what he's used to jumping as far as manufacturers and difference in their containers, and two, apparently even the rigger didn't 'know' it!Necklaces Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jtval 0 #21 June 20, 2002 ooh shit is right! but good for you to have reacted in a way that got you down safe...and thank god(or the instructor) that the reserve was done correctly!inspect your main any/everychance you have...even if you have to create the chance to inspect it. I have a habit of pulling my main out before each new day of jumping.(some ppl bust my b@lls about it, but who cares!!)Have fun, Live free, SKYDIVE!!http://community.webshots.com/user/jtval100 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Iflyme 0 #22 June 20, 2002 No bottle for the rigger -- after he caused your mal!!!I was riding a cloud the other day... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Rdutch 0 #23 June 21, 2002 As a rule I trust my rigger. But I usually take my main out when I get a repack. I know of a few people that have given there rigs to be repacked and the rigger was lazy and diddnt repack the main just put it back and it was backwords. Theres a good video of jimmy trantor opening and his pilot chute is in front of the canopy (chop chop) wouldnt want to land a velocity backwords. So I always pack my main myself after a repackHook low Flare late Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rhino 0 #24 June 21, 2002 If you know your own gear that shouldn't have happened.. You should allways inspect your rig when you get it back from the rigger just in case."The only way I could have found the mistake myself was to have pulled the pin, removed the D-bag and inspect the assembling."That is exactly what you should have done to insure your safety and the safety of other skydivers around you. Learn from this young Jedi.. Rhino Blue Skies ..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. 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TomAiello 26 #2 June 17, 2002 ...the bottle for the rigger. Even if you're miffed now, the Good Karma is always worth the investment.--Tom Aiellotbaiello@mac.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nws01 0 #3 June 17, 2002 Congrats and your first cutaway and may you not have many more in your future!Blue Dreams,Nathan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cloudseeker2001 0 #4 June 17, 2002 so is he/she repacking your reserve for you or are you giving that person another chance to kill you?"no eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cloudseeker2001 0 #5 June 17, 2002 well, "kill you" may have sounded a little crass! how about another reserve ride! that sounds better!"no eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
homer 0 #6 June 17, 2002 Thanks so do I but for some reason In the back of my head I know something was going to happen. It was the first jump on a new rig something had to go wrong. I can never have a perfect jump.Beware of the toes you step on today, for they may belong to the ASS you KISS tomarrow. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites homer 0 #7 June 17, 2002 Its sounds bad but yes he is repacking it for me and for free. He is to blame for what happened and so it the DZO who saw him put it together and thought something looked wrong but didn't do anything about it. He made a big mistake and he feels extreamly responsible for what happened. Still I trust him that much and the problem was corrected.Beware of the toes you step on today, for they may belong to the ASS you KISS tomarrow. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rhino 0 #8 June 17, 2002 Maybe you should have inspected your gear and you would have known your pilot chute wasn't hooked up Blue Skies ..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Jimbo 0 #9 June 17, 2002 QuoteMaybe you should have inspected your gear and you would have known your pilot chute wasn't hooked up Maybe he should have, but he didn't.It would be nice to think that we all knew everything about our gear, but honestly, do you expect a sub-100 jump student to know the difference between a correctly hooked up pilot chute and one that was assembled incorrectly? There comes a point where we _have_ to rely on the skills and judgement of others. Most people here probably don't know how to correctly assemble a rig (pilot chute included) and most probably never will, they have to accept that the person hired to do the work did a complete and correct job.-Jim Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites homer 0 #10 June 17, 2002 Very true and yes in this sport you should always see it for yourself. I've always used a non collapsible pilot chute so I wasn't to sure how it was supposed to be hooked up. All I know it showed green in the window indicating it was cocked. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rhino 0 #11 June 17, 2002 I wasn't bagging on him.. It was a playfull suggestion for EVERYONE to learn his or her own equipment so he AND OTHERS can avoid the cutaway and a repack. To each his own.. Another lesson here.. Find a GOOD rigger that you trust implicitly or become one yourself.. Or learn your gear and save your own ass..Rhino Blue Skies ..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites quade 4 #12 June 17, 2002 Quote. . . do you expect a sub-100 jump student to know the difference between a correctly hooked up pilot chute and one that was assembled incorrectly?To expect that of somebody using rental gear is a bit iffy since there's so many different ways to do something and manuals aren't usually given out.However, once a person owns their own gear, then yes, I do expect them to know how every part of the main, as well as most of the reserve, deployment system works and can be inspected for safe operation.I can almost guarantee it's in the book that came with it.quadehttp://futurecam.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites homer 0 #13 June 17, 2002 I know my own gear inside and out and if a pilot chute is cocked or not. The rig was put together by one of my two riggers and I trust him with my life . This is why I know it was mistake and one I know he will make sure never happens again.You say I should know my gear and I do. The only way I could have found the mistake myself was to have pulled the pin, removed the D-bag and inspect the assembling. If I was that worried he would have done it wrong I never would have let him do it in the first place. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites drenaline 0 #14 June 17, 2002 I agree with quade, know your gear. Only thing that you will never know unless you were there watching how they packed it, is the reserve, in that you will have to rely on your rigger.Remember rigger can make mistakes, they are humans after all."Life is full of danger, so why be afraid?"drenaline Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites quade 4 #15 June 17, 2002 QuoteThe only way I could have found the mistake myself was to have pulled the pin, removed the D-bag and inspect the assembling. If I was that worried he would have done it wrong I never would have let him do it in the first place.Actually, not that unreasonable of an assumption.I'll admit that the first rig I bought came with a free first pack job and I took the rig and jumped it without unpacking it and inspecting it myself. The main could have easily been mis-rigged and I wouldn't have known.I still do know know to this day if my reserve has actually ever been packed correctly. I've never had to use it.quadehttp://futurecam.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites homer 0 #16 June 17, 2002 Quade I hope never have to use it too. The way it was hooked up caused the pilot chute to collaps. It acted the same as if it had never been cocked. I know there are jumpers out there who have fogotten to do it. The way I see It it was a learning lession for everyone at the DZ that day. Shit happens now it is time to move on and focuse on next weekend when I can jump my rig again. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites freeflir29 0 #17 June 18, 2002 Hey....give the poor guy a little credit. He may have screwed up your pilot chute but at least he got the reserve right!!! I'm sure he feels terrible and won't soon forget this one....."Here I come to save the BOOBIES!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Lindsey 0 #18 June 18, 2002 Good job getting that reserve out.....I've never had a high speed mal, thank Shiva! Even the most thoughtful person is going to make a mistake periodically.....though that seems like a pretty careless one, there. One of the riggers that I use sometimes once made a horribly careless mistake, and had the person jumping that rig needed his reserve, it would not have opened....again, thank Shiva that didn't happen. We really have to weigh risks in this sport. I would never say to find a new rigger because of such a mistake, but it is certainly something to consider. I don't think you'll ever find a person who will never screw up once in a while.....which is another reason I won't be a rigger....Ya' know Smack-water Jack he bought a shotgun'cause he was in the mood for a little con-fron-ta-tion Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Billy 0 #19 June 19, 2002 Always learning in a sport that can kill ya,,, glad your ok bro Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Pammi 0 #20 June 19, 2002 QuoteHowever, once a person owns their own gear, then yes, I do expect them to know how every part of the main, as well as most of the reserve, deployment system works and can be inspected for safe operation.BTW guys, he *did* say this was a new rig for him. As Merrick found out by hooking up his pilot chute himself then having basically the same problem, cocked it appeared, but coming uncocked, rigs are different. It may appear correct, and 'act normal' (cocking etc) but NOT be. With him, it turned out that the Vector was very different then his Javelin as far as how the pilot chute is hooked up. You can't give someone a hard time over not 'knowing his gear', when for one, it may be totally different then what he's used to jumping as far as manufacturers and difference in their containers, and two, apparently even the rigger didn't 'know' it!Necklaces Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jtval 0 #21 June 20, 2002 ooh shit is right! but good for you to have reacted in a way that got you down safe...and thank god(or the instructor) that the reserve was done correctly!inspect your main any/everychance you have...even if you have to create the chance to inspect it. I have a habit of pulling my main out before each new day of jumping.(some ppl bust my b@lls about it, but who cares!!)Have fun, Live free, SKYDIVE!!http://community.webshots.com/user/jtval100 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Iflyme 0 #22 June 20, 2002 No bottle for the rigger -- after he caused your mal!!!I was riding a cloud the other day... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Rdutch 0 #23 June 21, 2002 As a rule I trust my rigger. But I usually take my main out when I get a repack. I know of a few people that have given there rigs to be repacked and the rigger was lazy and diddnt repack the main just put it back and it was backwords. Theres a good video of jimmy trantor opening and his pilot chute is in front of the canopy (chop chop) wouldnt want to land a velocity backwords. So I always pack my main myself after a repackHook low Flare late Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rhino 0 #24 June 21, 2002 If you know your own gear that shouldn't have happened.. You should allways inspect your rig when you get it back from the rigger just in case."The only way I could have found the mistake myself was to have pulled the pin, removed the D-bag and inspect the assembling."That is exactly what you should have done to insure your safety and the safety of other skydivers around you. Learn from this young Jedi.. Rhino Blue Skies ..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. 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homer 0 #7 June 17, 2002 Its sounds bad but yes he is repacking it for me and for free. He is to blame for what happened and so it the DZO who saw him put it together and thought something looked wrong but didn't do anything about it. He made a big mistake and he feels extreamly responsible for what happened. Still I trust him that much and the problem was corrected.Beware of the toes you step on today, for they may belong to the ASS you KISS tomarrow. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rhino 0 #8 June 17, 2002 Maybe you should have inspected your gear and you would have known your pilot chute wasn't hooked up Blue Skies ..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Jimbo 0 #9 June 17, 2002 QuoteMaybe you should have inspected your gear and you would have known your pilot chute wasn't hooked up Maybe he should have, but he didn't.It would be nice to think that we all knew everything about our gear, but honestly, do you expect a sub-100 jump student to know the difference between a correctly hooked up pilot chute and one that was assembled incorrectly? There comes a point where we _have_ to rely on the skills and judgement of others. Most people here probably don't know how to correctly assemble a rig (pilot chute included) and most probably never will, they have to accept that the person hired to do the work did a complete and correct job.-Jim Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites homer 0 #10 June 17, 2002 Very true and yes in this sport you should always see it for yourself. I've always used a non collapsible pilot chute so I wasn't to sure how it was supposed to be hooked up. All I know it showed green in the window indicating it was cocked. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rhino 0 #11 June 17, 2002 I wasn't bagging on him.. It was a playfull suggestion for EVERYONE to learn his or her own equipment so he AND OTHERS can avoid the cutaway and a repack. To each his own.. Another lesson here.. Find a GOOD rigger that you trust implicitly or become one yourself.. Or learn your gear and save your own ass..Rhino Blue Skies ..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites quade 4 #12 June 17, 2002 Quote. . . do you expect a sub-100 jump student to know the difference between a correctly hooked up pilot chute and one that was assembled incorrectly?To expect that of somebody using rental gear is a bit iffy since there's so many different ways to do something and manuals aren't usually given out.However, once a person owns their own gear, then yes, I do expect them to know how every part of the main, as well as most of the reserve, deployment system works and can be inspected for safe operation.I can almost guarantee it's in the book that came with it.quadehttp://futurecam.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites homer 0 #13 June 17, 2002 I know my own gear inside and out and if a pilot chute is cocked or not. The rig was put together by one of my two riggers and I trust him with my life . This is why I know it was mistake and one I know he will make sure never happens again.You say I should know my gear and I do. The only way I could have found the mistake myself was to have pulled the pin, removed the D-bag and inspect the assembling. If I was that worried he would have done it wrong I never would have let him do it in the first place. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites drenaline 0 #14 June 17, 2002 I agree with quade, know your gear. Only thing that you will never know unless you were there watching how they packed it, is the reserve, in that you will have to rely on your rigger.Remember rigger can make mistakes, they are humans after all."Life is full of danger, so why be afraid?"drenaline Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites quade 4 #15 June 17, 2002 QuoteThe only way I could have found the mistake myself was to have pulled the pin, removed the D-bag and inspect the assembling. If I was that worried he would have done it wrong I never would have let him do it in the first place.Actually, not that unreasonable of an assumption.I'll admit that the first rig I bought came with a free first pack job and I took the rig and jumped it without unpacking it and inspecting it myself. The main could have easily been mis-rigged and I wouldn't have known.I still do know know to this day if my reserve has actually ever been packed correctly. I've never had to use it.quadehttp://futurecam.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites homer 0 #16 June 17, 2002 Quade I hope never have to use it too. The way it was hooked up caused the pilot chute to collaps. It acted the same as if it had never been cocked. I know there are jumpers out there who have fogotten to do it. The way I see It it was a learning lession for everyone at the DZ that day. Shit happens now it is time to move on and focuse on next weekend when I can jump my rig again. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites freeflir29 0 #17 June 18, 2002 Hey....give the poor guy a little credit. He may have screwed up your pilot chute but at least he got the reserve right!!! I'm sure he feels terrible and won't soon forget this one....."Here I come to save the BOOBIES!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Lindsey 0 #18 June 18, 2002 Good job getting that reserve out.....I've never had a high speed mal, thank Shiva! Even the most thoughtful person is going to make a mistake periodically.....though that seems like a pretty careless one, there. One of the riggers that I use sometimes once made a horribly careless mistake, and had the person jumping that rig needed his reserve, it would not have opened....again, thank Shiva that didn't happen. We really have to weigh risks in this sport. I would never say to find a new rigger because of such a mistake, but it is certainly something to consider. I don't think you'll ever find a person who will never screw up once in a while.....which is another reason I won't be a rigger....Ya' know Smack-water Jack he bought a shotgun'cause he was in the mood for a little con-fron-ta-tion Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Billy 0 #19 June 19, 2002 Always learning in a sport that can kill ya,,, glad your ok bro Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Pammi 0 #20 June 19, 2002 QuoteHowever, once a person owns their own gear, then yes, I do expect them to know how every part of the main, as well as most of the reserve, deployment system works and can be inspected for safe operation.BTW guys, he *did* say this was a new rig for him. As Merrick found out by hooking up his pilot chute himself then having basically the same problem, cocked it appeared, but coming uncocked, rigs are different. It may appear correct, and 'act normal' (cocking etc) but NOT be. With him, it turned out that the Vector was very different then his Javelin as far as how the pilot chute is hooked up. You can't give someone a hard time over not 'knowing his gear', when for one, it may be totally different then what he's used to jumping as far as manufacturers and difference in their containers, and two, apparently even the rigger didn't 'know' it!Necklaces Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jtval 0 #21 June 20, 2002 ooh shit is right! but good for you to have reacted in a way that got you down safe...and thank god(or the instructor) that the reserve was done correctly!inspect your main any/everychance you have...even if you have to create the chance to inspect it. I have a habit of pulling my main out before each new day of jumping.(some ppl bust my b@lls about it, but who cares!!)Have fun, Live free, SKYDIVE!!http://community.webshots.com/user/jtval100 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Iflyme 0 #22 June 20, 2002 No bottle for the rigger -- after he caused your mal!!!I was riding a cloud the other day... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Rdutch 0 #23 June 21, 2002 As a rule I trust my rigger. But I usually take my main out when I get a repack. I know of a few people that have given there rigs to be repacked and the rigger was lazy and diddnt repack the main just put it back and it was backwords. Theres a good video of jimmy trantor opening and his pilot chute is in front of the canopy (chop chop) wouldnt want to land a velocity backwords. So I always pack my main myself after a repackHook low Flare late Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rhino 0 #24 June 21, 2002 If you know your own gear that shouldn't have happened.. You should allways inspect your rig when you get it back from the rigger just in case."The only way I could have found the mistake myself was to have pulled the pin, removed the D-bag and inspect the assembling."That is exactly what you should have done to insure your safety and the safety of other skydivers around you. Learn from this young Jedi.. Rhino Blue Skies ..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. 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rhino 0 #8 June 17, 2002 Maybe you should have inspected your gear and you would have known your pilot chute wasn't hooked up Blue Skies ..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimbo 0 #9 June 17, 2002 QuoteMaybe you should have inspected your gear and you would have known your pilot chute wasn't hooked up Maybe he should have, but he didn't.It would be nice to think that we all knew everything about our gear, but honestly, do you expect a sub-100 jump student to know the difference between a correctly hooked up pilot chute and one that was assembled incorrectly? There comes a point where we _have_ to rely on the skills and judgement of others. Most people here probably don't know how to correctly assemble a rig (pilot chute included) and most probably never will, they have to accept that the person hired to do the work did a complete and correct job.-Jim Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
homer 0 #10 June 17, 2002 Very true and yes in this sport you should always see it for yourself. I've always used a non collapsible pilot chute so I wasn't to sure how it was supposed to be hooked up. All I know it showed green in the window indicating it was cocked. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rhino 0 #11 June 17, 2002 I wasn't bagging on him.. It was a playfull suggestion for EVERYONE to learn his or her own equipment so he AND OTHERS can avoid the cutaway and a repack. To each his own.. Another lesson here.. Find a GOOD rigger that you trust implicitly or become one yourself.. Or learn your gear and save your own ass..Rhino Blue Skies ..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites quade 4 #12 June 17, 2002 Quote. . . do you expect a sub-100 jump student to know the difference between a correctly hooked up pilot chute and one that was assembled incorrectly?To expect that of somebody using rental gear is a bit iffy since there's so many different ways to do something and manuals aren't usually given out.However, once a person owns their own gear, then yes, I do expect them to know how every part of the main, as well as most of the reserve, deployment system works and can be inspected for safe operation.I can almost guarantee it's in the book that came with it.quadehttp://futurecam.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites homer 0 #13 June 17, 2002 I know my own gear inside and out and if a pilot chute is cocked or not. The rig was put together by one of my two riggers and I trust him with my life . This is why I know it was mistake and one I know he will make sure never happens again.You say I should know my gear and I do. The only way I could have found the mistake myself was to have pulled the pin, removed the D-bag and inspect the assembling. If I was that worried he would have done it wrong I never would have let him do it in the first place. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites drenaline 0 #14 June 17, 2002 I agree with quade, know your gear. Only thing that you will never know unless you were there watching how they packed it, is the reserve, in that you will have to rely on your rigger.Remember rigger can make mistakes, they are humans after all."Life is full of danger, so why be afraid?"drenaline Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites quade 4 #15 June 17, 2002 QuoteThe only way I could have found the mistake myself was to have pulled the pin, removed the D-bag and inspect the assembling. If I was that worried he would have done it wrong I never would have let him do it in the first place.Actually, not that unreasonable of an assumption.I'll admit that the first rig I bought came with a free first pack job and I took the rig and jumped it without unpacking it and inspecting it myself. The main could have easily been mis-rigged and I wouldn't have known.I still do know know to this day if my reserve has actually ever been packed correctly. I've never had to use it.quadehttp://futurecam.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites homer 0 #16 June 17, 2002 Quade I hope never have to use it too. The way it was hooked up caused the pilot chute to collaps. It acted the same as if it had never been cocked. I know there are jumpers out there who have fogotten to do it. The way I see It it was a learning lession for everyone at the DZ that day. Shit happens now it is time to move on and focuse on next weekend when I can jump my rig again. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites freeflir29 0 #17 June 18, 2002 Hey....give the poor guy a little credit. He may have screwed up your pilot chute but at least he got the reserve right!!! I'm sure he feels terrible and won't soon forget this one....."Here I come to save the BOOBIES!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Lindsey 0 #18 June 18, 2002 Good job getting that reserve out.....I've never had a high speed mal, thank Shiva! Even the most thoughtful person is going to make a mistake periodically.....though that seems like a pretty careless one, there. One of the riggers that I use sometimes once made a horribly careless mistake, and had the person jumping that rig needed his reserve, it would not have opened....again, thank Shiva that didn't happen. We really have to weigh risks in this sport. I would never say to find a new rigger because of such a mistake, but it is certainly something to consider. I don't think you'll ever find a person who will never screw up once in a while.....which is another reason I won't be a rigger....Ya' know Smack-water Jack he bought a shotgun'cause he was in the mood for a little con-fron-ta-tion Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Billy 0 #19 June 19, 2002 Always learning in a sport that can kill ya,,, glad your ok bro Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Pammi 0 #20 June 19, 2002 QuoteHowever, once a person owns their own gear, then yes, I do expect them to know how every part of the main, as well as most of the reserve, deployment system works and can be inspected for safe operation.BTW guys, he *did* say this was a new rig for him. As Merrick found out by hooking up his pilot chute himself then having basically the same problem, cocked it appeared, but coming uncocked, rigs are different. It may appear correct, and 'act normal' (cocking etc) but NOT be. With him, it turned out that the Vector was very different then his Javelin as far as how the pilot chute is hooked up. You can't give someone a hard time over not 'knowing his gear', when for one, it may be totally different then what he's used to jumping as far as manufacturers and difference in their containers, and two, apparently even the rigger didn't 'know' it!Necklaces Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jtval 0 #21 June 20, 2002 ooh shit is right! but good for you to have reacted in a way that got you down safe...and thank god(or the instructor) that the reserve was done correctly!inspect your main any/everychance you have...even if you have to create the chance to inspect it. I have a habit of pulling my main out before each new day of jumping.(some ppl bust my b@lls about it, but who cares!!)Have fun, Live free, SKYDIVE!!http://community.webshots.com/user/jtval100 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Iflyme 0 #22 June 20, 2002 No bottle for the rigger -- after he caused your mal!!!I was riding a cloud the other day... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Rdutch 0 #23 June 21, 2002 As a rule I trust my rigger. But I usually take my main out when I get a repack. I know of a few people that have given there rigs to be repacked and the rigger was lazy and diddnt repack the main just put it back and it was backwords. Theres a good video of jimmy trantor opening and his pilot chute is in front of the canopy (chop chop) wouldnt want to land a velocity backwords. So I always pack my main myself after a repackHook low Flare late Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rhino 0 #24 June 21, 2002 If you know your own gear that shouldn't have happened.. You should allways inspect your rig when you get it back from the rigger just in case."The only way I could have found the mistake myself was to have pulled the pin, removed the D-bag and inspect the assembling."That is exactly what you should have done to insure your safety and the safety of other skydivers around you. Learn from this young Jedi.. Rhino Blue Skies ..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. 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rhino 0 #11 June 17, 2002 I wasn't bagging on him.. It was a playfull suggestion for EVERYONE to learn his or her own equipment so he AND OTHERS can avoid the cutaway and a repack. To each his own.. Another lesson here.. Find a GOOD rigger that you trust implicitly or become one yourself.. Or learn your gear and save your own ass..Rhino Blue Skies ..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #12 June 17, 2002 Quote. . . do you expect a sub-100 jump student to know the difference between a correctly hooked up pilot chute and one that was assembled incorrectly?To expect that of somebody using rental gear is a bit iffy since there's so many different ways to do something and manuals aren't usually given out.However, once a person owns their own gear, then yes, I do expect them to know how every part of the main, as well as most of the reserve, deployment system works and can be inspected for safe operation.I can almost guarantee it's in the book that came with it.quadehttp://futurecam.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
homer 0 #13 June 17, 2002 I know my own gear inside and out and if a pilot chute is cocked or not. The rig was put together by one of my two riggers and I trust him with my life . This is why I know it was mistake and one I know he will make sure never happens again.You say I should know my gear and I do. The only way I could have found the mistake myself was to have pulled the pin, removed the D-bag and inspect the assembling. If I was that worried he would have done it wrong I never would have let him do it in the first place. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites drenaline 0 #14 June 17, 2002 I agree with quade, know your gear. Only thing that you will never know unless you were there watching how they packed it, is the reserve, in that you will have to rely on your rigger.Remember rigger can make mistakes, they are humans after all."Life is full of danger, so why be afraid?"drenaline Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites quade 4 #15 June 17, 2002 QuoteThe only way I could have found the mistake myself was to have pulled the pin, removed the D-bag and inspect the assembling. If I was that worried he would have done it wrong I never would have let him do it in the first place.Actually, not that unreasonable of an assumption.I'll admit that the first rig I bought came with a free first pack job and I took the rig and jumped it without unpacking it and inspecting it myself. The main could have easily been mis-rigged and I wouldn't have known.I still do know know to this day if my reserve has actually ever been packed correctly. I've never had to use it.quadehttp://futurecam.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites homer 0 #16 June 17, 2002 Quade I hope never have to use it too. The way it was hooked up caused the pilot chute to collaps. It acted the same as if it had never been cocked. I know there are jumpers out there who have fogotten to do it. The way I see It it was a learning lession for everyone at the DZ that day. Shit happens now it is time to move on and focuse on next weekend when I can jump my rig again. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites freeflir29 0 #17 June 18, 2002 Hey....give the poor guy a little credit. He may have screwed up your pilot chute but at least he got the reserve right!!! I'm sure he feels terrible and won't soon forget this one....."Here I come to save the BOOBIES!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Lindsey 0 #18 June 18, 2002 Good job getting that reserve out.....I've never had a high speed mal, thank Shiva! Even the most thoughtful person is going to make a mistake periodically.....though that seems like a pretty careless one, there. One of the riggers that I use sometimes once made a horribly careless mistake, and had the person jumping that rig needed his reserve, it would not have opened....again, thank Shiva that didn't happen. We really have to weigh risks in this sport. I would never say to find a new rigger because of such a mistake, but it is certainly something to consider. I don't think you'll ever find a person who will never screw up once in a while.....which is another reason I won't be a rigger....Ya' know Smack-water Jack he bought a shotgun'cause he was in the mood for a little con-fron-ta-tion Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Billy 0 #19 June 19, 2002 Always learning in a sport that can kill ya,,, glad your ok bro Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Pammi 0 #20 June 19, 2002 QuoteHowever, once a person owns their own gear, then yes, I do expect them to know how every part of the main, as well as most of the reserve, deployment system works and can be inspected for safe operation.BTW guys, he *did* say this was a new rig for him. As Merrick found out by hooking up his pilot chute himself then having basically the same problem, cocked it appeared, but coming uncocked, rigs are different. It may appear correct, and 'act normal' (cocking etc) but NOT be. With him, it turned out that the Vector was very different then his Javelin as far as how the pilot chute is hooked up. You can't give someone a hard time over not 'knowing his gear', when for one, it may be totally different then what he's used to jumping as far as manufacturers and difference in their containers, and two, apparently even the rigger didn't 'know' it!Necklaces Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jtval 0 #21 June 20, 2002 ooh shit is right! but good for you to have reacted in a way that got you down safe...and thank god(or the instructor) that the reserve was done correctly!inspect your main any/everychance you have...even if you have to create the chance to inspect it. I have a habit of pulling my main out before each new day of jumping.(some ppl bust my b@lls about it, but who cares!!)Have fun, Live free, SKYDIVE!!http://community.webshots.com/user/jtval100 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Iflyme 0 #22 June 20, 2002 No bottle for the rigger -- after he caused your mal!!!I was riding a cloud the other day... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Rdutch 0 #23 June 21, 2002 As a rule I trust my rigger. But I usually take my main out when I get a repack. I know of a few people that have given there rigs to be repacked and the rigger was lazy and diddnt repack the main just put it back and it was backwords. Theres a good video of jimmy trantor opening and his pilot chute is in front of the canopy (chop chop) wouldnt want to land a velocity backwords. So I always pack my main myself after a repackHook low Flare late Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rhino 0 #24 June 21, 2002 If you know your own gear that shouldn't have happened.. You should allways inspect your rig when you get it back from the rigger just in case."The only way I could have found the mistake myself was to have pulled the pin, removed the D-bag and inspect the assembling."That is exactly what you should have done to insure your safety and the safety of other skydivers around you. Learn from this young Jedi.. Rhino Blue Skies ..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. 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drenaline 0 #14 June 17, 2002 I agree with quade, know your gear. Only thing that you will never know unless you were there watching how they packed it, is the reserve, in that you will have to rely on your rigger.Remember rigger can make mistakes, they are humans after all."Life is full of danger, so why be afraid?"drenaline Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #15 June 17, 2002 QuoteThe only way I could have found the mistake myself was to have pulled the pin, removed the D-bag and inspect the assembling. If I was that worried he would have done it wrong I never would have let him do it in the first place.Actually, not that unreasonable of an assumption.I'll admit that the first rig I bought came with a free first pack job and I took the rig and jumped it without unpacking it and inspecting it myself. The main could have easily been mis-rigged and I wouldn't have known.I still do know know to this day if my reserve has actually ever been packed correctly. I've never had to use it.quadehttp://futurecam.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
homer 0 #16 June 17, 2002 Quade I hope never have to use it too. The way it was hooked up caused the pilot chute to collaps. It acted the same as if it had never been cocked. I know there are jumpers out there who have fogotten to do it. The way I see It it was a learning lession for everyone at the DZ that day. Shit happens now it is time to move on and focuse on next weekend when I can jump my rig again. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites freeflir29 0 #17 June 18, 2002 Hey....give the poor guy a little credit. He may have screwed up your pilot chute but at least he got the reserve right!!! I'm sure he feels terrible and won't soon forget this one....."Here I come to save the BOOBIES!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Lindsey 0 #18 June 18, 2002 Good job getting that reserve out.....I've never had a high speed mal, thank Shiva! Even the most thoughtful person is going to make a mistake periodically.....though that seems like a pretty careless one, there. One of the riggers that I use sometimes once made a horribly careless mistake, and had the person jumping that rig needed his reserve, it would not have opened....again, thank Shiva that didn't happen. We really have to weigh risks in this sport. I would never say to find a new rigger because of such a mistake, but it is certainly something to consider. I don't think you'll ever find a person who will never screw up once in a while.....which is another reason I won't be a rigger....Ya' know Smack-water Jack he bought a shotgun'cause he was in the mood for a little con-fron-ta-tion Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Billy 0 #19 June 19, 2002 Always learning in a sport that can kill ya,,, glad your ok bro Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Pammi 0 #20 June 19, 2002 QuoteHowever, once a person owns their own gear, then yes, I do expect them to know how every part of the main, as well as most of the reserve, deployment system works and can be inspected for safe operation.BTW guys, he *did* say this was a new rig for him. As Merrick found out by hooking up his pilot chute himself then having basically the same problem, cocked it appeared, but coming uncocked, rigs are different. It may appear correct, and 'act normal' (cocking etc) but NOT be. With him, it turned out that the Vector was very different then his Javelin as far as how the pilot chute is hooked up. You can't give someone a hard time over not 'knowing his gear', when for one, it may be totally different then what he's used to jumping as far as manufacturers and difference in their containers, and two, apparently even the rigger didn't 'know' it!Necklaces Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jtval 0 #21 June 20, 2002 ooh shit is right! but good for you to have reacted in a way that got you down safe...and thank god(or the instructor) that the reserve was done correctly!inspect your main any/everychance you have...even if you have to create the chance to inspect it. I have a habit of pulling my main out before each new day of jumping.(some ppl bust my b@lls about it, but who cares!!)Have fun, Live free, SKYDIVE!!http://community.webshots.com/user/jtval100 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Iflyme 0 #22 June 20, 2002 No bottle for the rigger -- after he caused your mal!!!I was riding a cloud the other day... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Rdutch 0 #23 June 21, 2002 As a rule I trust my rigger. But I usually take my main out when I get a repack. I know of a few people that have given there rigs to be repacked and the rigger was lazy and diddnt repack the main just put it back and it was backwords. Theres a good video of jimmy trantor opening and his pilot chute is in front of the canopy (chop chop) wouldnt want to land a velocity backwords. So I always pack my main myself after a repackHook low Flare late Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rhino 0 #24 June 21, 2002 If you know your own gear that shouldn't have happened.. You should allways inspect your rig when you get it back from the rigger just in case."The only way I could have found the mistake myself was to have pulled the pin, removed the D-bag and inspect the assembling."That is exactly what you should have done to insure your safety and the safety of other skydivers around you. Learn from this young Jedi.. Rhino Blue Skies ..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. 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freeflir29 0 #17 June 18, 2002 Hey....give the poor guy a little credit. He may have screwed up your pilot chute but at least he got the reserve right!!! I'm sure he feels terrible and won't soon forget this one....."Here I come to save the BOOBIES!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lindsey 0 #18 June 18, 2002 Good job getting that reserve out.....I've never had a high speed mal, thank Shiva! Even the most thoughtful person is going to make a mistake periodically.....though that seems like a pretty careless one, there. One of the riggers that I use sometimes once made a horribly careless mistake, and had the person jumping that rig needed his reserve, it would not have opened....again, thank Shiva that didn't happen. We really have to weigh risks in this sport. I would never say to find a new rigger because of such a mistake, but it is certainly something to consider. I don't think you'll ever find a person who will never screw up once in a while.....which is another reason I won't be a rigger....Ya' know Smack-water Jack he bought a shotgun'cause he was in the mood for a little con-fron-ta-tion Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Billy 0 #19 June 19, 2002 Always learning in a sport that can kill ya,,, glad your ok bro Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pammi 0 #20 June 19, 2002 QuoteHowever, once a person owns their own gear, then yes, I do expect them to know how every part of the main, as well as most of the reserve, deployment system works and can be inspected for safe operation.BTW guys, he *did* say this was a new rig for him. As Merrick found out by hooking up his pilot chute himself then having basically the same problem, cocked it appeared, but coming uncocked, rigs are different. It may appear correct, and 'act normal' (cocking etc) but NOT be. With him, it turned out that the Vector was very different then his Javelin as far as how the pilot chute is hooked up. You can't give someone a hard time over not 'knowing his gear', when for one, it may be totally different then what he's used to jumping as far as manufacturers and difference in their containers, and two, apparently even the rigger didn't 'know' it!Necklaces Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jtval 0 #21 June 20, 2002 ooh shit is right! but good for you to have reacted in a way that got you down safe...and thank god(or the instructor) that the reserve was done correctly!inspect your main any/everychance you have...even if you have to create the chance to inspect it. I have a habit of pulling my main out before each new day of jumping.(some ppl bust my b@lls about it, but who cares!!)Have fun, Live free, SKYDIVE!!http://community.webshots.com/user/jtval100 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Iflyme 0 #22 June 20, 2002 No bottle for the rigger -- after he caused your mal!!!I was riding a cloud the other day... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rdutch 0 #23 June 21, 2002 As a rule I trust my rigger. But I usually take my main out when I get a repack. I know of a few people that have given there rigs to be repacked and the rigger was lazy and diddnt repack the main just put it back and it was backwords. Theres a good video of jimmy trantor opening and his pilot chute is in front of the canopy (chop chop) wouldnt want to land a velocity backwords. So I always pack my main myself after a repackHook low Flare late Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #24 June 21, 2002 If you know your own gear that shouldn't have happened.. You should allways inspect your rig when you get it back from the rigger just in case."The only way I could have found the mistake myself was to have pulled the pin, removed the D-bag and inspect the assembling."That is exactly what you should have done to insure your safety and the safety of other skydivers around you. Learn from this young Jedi.. Rhino Blue Skies ..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
