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[kallend 2,114]

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Kallend, I did forget to point out that the behavior described of the German police is apparently considered to be acceptable by the government of Germany.

No, you forgot. Did I forget to mention that the four sherriffs deputies that beat a prisoner to death in Chicago were acquitted not by a jury, but by a judge (3rd arm of the government), and that the State's Attorney (elected gov't official) has never taken action against the police in Chicago whose torture of suspects to elicit confessions was one of the principal reasons so many innocent people were sentenced to death in Illinois, leading to the well publicized moratorium. So one might reasonably conclude that, at least in Cook County, IL, the government sanctions police brutality. I think some of the New York cases ended up the same way.

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Actually--despite every talking head/reporter/John Q Public in this country using the D-word--we are, in fact, a REPUBLIC. There's a difference.
[A Lt. Columbo moment here] Let me get this straight. If America invades Afghanistan--or some other country--are the locals "at war" against US forces?? Maybe they don't get the NY Times or CNN. Shouldn't they be notified that they are the "enemy". It's only fair. [Hell--most of the "bad guys" were probably recently collecting (or still are) CIA payslips] Maybe they even think they're defending THEIR country??
As far as this current "dirty bomb" bad guy:
"They first came for the Communists and I didn't speak up- because I wasn't a Communist. Then they came for the Jews and I didn't speak up- because I wasn't a Jew. Then they came for the trade unionists and I didn't speak up- because I wasn't a trade unionist. Then they came for the Catholics and I didn't speak up- because I was a Protestant. Then they came for me- and by that time no one was left to speak up." -- Nazi Victim, Pastor Martin Niemoeller
I'll take the Bill of Rights and the Constitution over someone else's bogus "war" anyday. cha-CHING!! $.03
"A criminal is a person with predatory instincts who has not sufficient capital to form a corporation." -- Howard Scott

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I didn't ask if I had forgotten to point this out, I stated that "I DID forget".
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Hey, we're not done here are we!?
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Well put man, i didn't know knowledge was illegal i always just thought it was actions using such knowledge that was. You can't get arrested for thinking about a crime unless that thought is put into planning of action. And i see no evidence of that. How many muslims are incontact with al queda operatives when you consider that these opperatives move in the same circles (for instance money going into UK mosques which is going to al queda) as regular whorshippers. Plus who doesn't "know" about bombs - its not like the knowledge isn't readily avaible over the web. Its not illegal to read it and just because you do doesn't mean your gonna use it. I think america's skating over very thin ice.

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Aww..shit! I was enjoying this thread!
[baiting]So...no more sophomoric, half-baked, pubesecent, angst-ridden, sound-bite influenced, bleeding-heart "State of the World" opinions!?[/baiting]
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ok how many times do i have to say this
HE WASNT AN "INNOCENT" he didnt just know about bombs, or happen to "hang" in the muslim circles which included al queda
1. we was a know and convicted gangster
2. he had meetings with al queda operatives
3. he trained with them
4. he had about $10 000 with him, given to him by al queda.
this is just the stuff that the aussie media knows and the Us government no doubts knows tons more.
so all this arguing and worring about somebody grabbing you one day purly because you know muslims or know about bombs is crap it wasnt circumstantly evidance that he was going to do something it was hard solid obvious info
jeez next yous will be sayen bin ladin cant be arrested, cause we dont acctually have footage of him telling those idiots to hijack the planes and all the other stuff is just circumstantul, sure he did say stuff on the videos, but lots of ppl have taken credit for things they didnt do in the past. Sure he did have contacts with them but that doesnt prove anything he just "hung out in those circles" sure he is on the run with the taliban i.e his own private army but that doesnt prove anything youd be running and fighting if someone wanted to kill you god what is wrong with you ppl what would you of rather that the police waited till he nuked NY then arrested him, cause then they would have proof jeez
Opinions are like a-holes everyone has one, the only one that does you any good is yours and all that comes out is shit

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Some recent quotes concerning Padilla from CNN
"This guy, Padilla, is a bad guy," Bush said as he met with lawmakers at the White House to discuss his proposal for a Department of Homeland Security. "And he is where he needs to be -- detained." (note - a scary basis on which to imprison someone effectively forever without a trial.)
. . . For example, Padilla may be held indefinitely without being charged until the U.S.-declared war against terrorism ends, said John McGinnis, professor of constitutional law at Northwestern Law School in Chicago.
Whether Padilla's detention will foretell a future where many Americans are detained indefinitely because of U.S. knowledge of terrorist plans remains to be seen, said Victoria Toensing, ex-Justice official.
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And an interesting comment from Philip K. Dick, made over 20 years ago, after he wrote a piece on war:
"I wasn't thinking of the Viet Nam war but of war in general; in particular, how a war forces you to become like your enemy. Hitler had once said that the true victory of the Nazis would be to force its enemies, the United States in particular, to become more like Germany - i.e. a totalitarian society - in order to win. Hitler, then, expected to win even in losing. . . . We had beaten Germany, but both the US and the USSR were becoming more like Germany with their huge police systems every day."