weid14 0 #1 June 21, 2002 I'm sure everyone has heard (in the US anyway) about the cessna cruising through VERY restricted airspace. Well, it turns out that plane was purchased by a guy I know and it was headed for Raeford to get the work done to convert it to a jump plane. The DZO is getting a ton of free publicity over this. Of course the 2 guys flying the plane aren't fairing so well right now. How weird is that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #2 June 21, 2002 QuoteOf course the 2 guys flying the plane aren't fairing so well right nowProbably not the smartest thing they have done this week...."Here I come to save the BOOBIES!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diverdriver 7 #3 June 21, 2002 No ever said that jump pilots were the most intelligent cross country pilots.A simple Garmin III Pilot would alert you to Restricted Airspace. Heck, the required Sectional map could do that too.Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #4 June 21, 2002 QuoteHeck, the required Sectional map could do that too.Only if you KNOW where you are....LOL Me thinks they needed the Garmin. The guy on CNN said they SHOULD have been about 40 miles to the west......"Here I come to save the BOOBIES!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diverdriver 7 #5 June 21, 2002 Um..see.....back in the day when I was a young pilot we didn't HAVE GPS. We used Sectionals (which are still required to be on board for all fights) and even if we diverted we still had to know where we were and where we wanted to go. It's a required skill for the Private Pilot license. Hmmmm.Course...back in the day.....we had to fly uphill, both ways, in the snow, and do Spilt Ss for our license. Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weid14 0 #6 June 21, 2002 thing is, these guys have been around a while. They should have definately known better. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diverdriver 7 #7 June 21, 2002 It's true....no matter how many hours you have or how many years experience we can ALL get led down the road to some unfortunate circumstances. Every pilot out there has gotten lost. Most of us get away with it rather than ending up circling over the White House.Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weid14 0 #8 June 21, 2002 A friend of mine got lost, and was literally driving 100 mph everywhere hoping to get pulled over so he could ask directions (it was really late at night and seemed like a good idea).... I guess the white house would be a good landmark and a couple of f-16's guiding you would be a similar thing.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites diverdriver 7 #9 June 21, 2002 I don't even know how to respond to that logic. You've stumped me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites freeflir29 0 #10 June 21, 2002 Quoteno matter how many hours you have or how many years experience we can ALL get led down the road to some unfortunate circumstances.I remember my Dad getting "Called on the carpet" once. Something about being way off the outer marker going into Frankfurt. I know when he retired he had somewhere near 40,000 hours. So yeah...it can happen to anyone. "Here I come to save the BOOBIES!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jfields 0 #11 June 21, 2002 QuoteI guess the white house would be a good landmark So would the Potomac river, and it won't get you shot at. Justin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites freeflir29 0 #12 June 21, 2002 Don't get too down on them. Do you know how many times a year military aircraft stray into THE WRONG countries like North Korea, East Germany when the wall was there, etc. Happens somewhat often...."Here I come to save the BOOBIES!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jfields 0 #13 June 21, 2002 True, but they are probably going a lot faster than a Cessna.Not that I know anything about flying....But then again, from what your instructor said.... Justin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites freeflir29 0 #14 June 21, 2002 QuoteTrue, but they are probably going a lot faster than a Cessna.Not always.....the last time one made the news it was an Army guy flying an OH-58. (Small scout helicopter) That can fly much slower than a Cessna.... He strayed across the DMZ and was promptly shot down and captured. What a genious...."Here I come to save the BOOBIES!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites diverdriver 7 #15 June 21, 2002 Right....it was an "accident". Crossing that border with cameras on board was just a "mistake". mmmmhmmm.LOL.Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites freeflir29 0 #16 June 21, 2002 QuoteRight....it was an "accident".I totally believe it was an accident. Army guys are professionals at getting lost. To this day their favorite saying in the field is "Air Force!!! Where are we?" I wish I had a dollar for every time I heard that. "Here I come to save the BOOBIES!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites diverdriver 7 #17 June 21, 2002 Military Branch bashing? Uh oh!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites freeflir29 0 #18 June 21, 2002 QuoteMilitary Branch bashing?I wish it was just bashing. Army guys really are known for getting lost. How do you think all the "friendly fire" happens. It's pretty hard to keep track of someone when THEY don't know where they are..."Here I come to save the BOOBIES!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jfields 0 #19 June 21, 2002 Come on, Clay. Be fair. The Air Force isn't any better. Sometimes, they couldn't even drop us on the right DZ. Justin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites freeflir29 0 #20 June 21, 2002 QuoteSometimes, they couldn't even drop us on the right DZ. Yeah...those airlift pilots.....what a bunch of knuckle heads. You know where they get airlift pilots right? They are the "bottom" of the class..... I have refused to let anyone out of an aircraft before. The pilot ask if I couldn't see the DZ. I said ....."No I can see the DZ just fine. It's about 2 miles west of us"...... 180 off the run in heading can get pretty stupid too....."Here I come to save the BOOBIES!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bbarnhouse 0 #21 June 21, 2002 Quote it was an accident.Uh huh just like the fella that accidently "fell" out of the jump plane directly over the golf courseBwahhhhhhhhhAll it takes is faith and trustand a little bit ofPixie Dust........... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites nws01 0 #22 June 21, 2002 Quoteaccidently "fell" out of the jump plane directly over the golf courseThat is all fun and games until you "accidentally" land on the driving range and everyone is practicing their drivers/Blue Dreams,Nathan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NtheSeaOrSky 0 #23 June 25, 2002 You guys are assuming the pilots could see the ground! Guess you didnt think about the thick cloud layer and lots of thunderstorms. Check the weather for that day. I think there may be a lot you don't know about the circumstances, and wouldn't you appreciate it if someone had given you the benefit of the doubt when you were in question over something?Life is not fair and there are no guarantees... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rgoper 0 #24 June 25, 2002 in either event, "flight control tower" where were they? asleep at the switch AGAIN? they're lucky an f-16 didn't shoot them down after the incident of 09/11/2001, i wouldn't have felt sorry for them. but i still think the control tower should have been tracking them, especially in that airspace. --Richard-- "We Will Not Be Shaken By Thugs, And Terroist" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites freeflir29 0 #25 June 25, 2002 Quotei still think the control tower should have been tracking them, especially in that airspace Who do you think alerted the Air Force? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. 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diverdriver 7 #9 June 21, 2002 I don't even know how to respond to that logic. You've stumped me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #10 June 21, 2002 Quoteno matter how many hours you have or how many years experience we can ALL get led down the road to some unfortunate circumstances.I remember my Dad getting "Called on the carpet" once. Something about being way off the outer marker going into Frankfurt. I know when he retired he had somewhere near 40,000 hours. So yeah...it can happen to anyone. "Here I come to save the BOOBIES!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jfields 0 #11 June 21, 2002 QuoteI guess the white house would be a good landmark So would the Potomac river, and it won't get you shot at. Justin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #12 June 21, 2002 Don't get too down on them. Do you know how many times a year military aircraft stray into THE WRONG countries like North Korea, East Germany when the wall was there, etc. Happens somewhat often...."Here I come to save the BOOBIES!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jfields 0 #13 June 21, 2002 True, but they are probably going a lot faster than a Cessna.Not that I know anything about flying....But then again, from what your instructor said.... Justin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #14 June 21, 2002 QuoteTrue, but they are probably going a lot faster than a Cessna.Not always.....the last time one made the news it was an Army guy flying an OH-58. (Small scout helicopter) That can fly much slower than a Cessna.... He strayed across the DMZ and was promptly shot down and captured. What a genious...."Here I come to save the BOOBIES!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diverdriver 7 #15 June 21, 2002 Right....it was an "accident". Crossing that border with cameras on board was just a "mistake". mmmmhmmm.LOL.Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #16 June 21, 2002 QuoteRight....it was an "accident".I totally believe it was an accident. Army guys are professionals at getting lost. To this day their favorite saying in the field is "Air Force!!! Where are we?" I wish I had a dollar for every time I heard that. "Here I come to save the BOOBIES!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diverdriver 7 #17 June 21, 2002 Military Branch bashing? Uh oh!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #18 June 21, 2002 QuoteMilitary Branch bashing?I wish it was just bashing. Army guys really are known for getting lost. How do you think all the "friendly fire" happens. It's pretty hard to keep track of someone when THEY don't know where they are..."Here I come to save the BOOBIES!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jfields 0 #19 June 21, 2002 Come on, Clay. Be fair. The Air Force isn't any better. Sometimes, they couldn't even drop us on the right DZ. Justin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #20 June 21, 2002 QuoteSometimes, they couldn't even drop us on the right DZ. Yeah...those airlift pilots.....what a bunch of knuckle heads. You know where they get airlift pilots right? They are the "bottom" of the class..... I have refused to let anyone out of an aircraft before. The pilot ask if I couldn't see the DZ. I said ....."No I can see the DZ just fine. It's about 2 miles west of us"...... 180 off the run in heading can get pretty stupid too....."Here I come to save the BOOBIES!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bbarnhouse 0 #21 June 21, 2002 Quote it was an accident.Uh huh just like the fella that accidently "fell" out of the jump plane directly over the golf courseBwahhhhhhhhhAll it takes is faith and trustand a little bit ofPixie Dust........... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nws01 0 #22 June 21, 2002 Quoteaccidently "fell" out of the jump plane directly over the golf courseThat is all fun and games until you "accidentally" land on the driving range and everyone is practicing their drivers/Blue Dreams,Nathan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NtheSeaOrSky 0 #23 June 25, 2002 You guys are assuming the pilots could see the ground! Guess you didnt think about the thick cloud layer and lots of thunderstorms. Check the weather for that day. I think there may be a lot you don't know about the circumstances, and wouldn't you appreciate it if someone had given you the benefit of the doubt when you were in question over something?Life is not fair and there are no guarantees... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rgoper 0 #24 June 25, 2002 in either event, "flight control tower" where were they? asleep at the switch AGAIN? they're lucky an f-16 didn't shoot them down after the incident of 09/11/2001, i wouldn't have felt sorry for them. but i still think the control tower should have been tracking them, especially in that airspace. --Richard-- "We Will Not Be Shaken By Thugs, And Terroist" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #25 June 25, 2002 Quotei still think the control tower should have been tracking them, especially in that airspace Who do you think alerted the Air Force? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
