Macaulay 0 #1 June 26, 2002 See attached pic (posted on the Blinc forum). - Mac Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndyMan 7 #2 June 26, 2002 That just kinda begs the question... why wear a parachute? It's hard to tell distances from the picture... but I'm pretty sure I used to jump of cliffs that high when I was a kid. I didn't need no stinking parachute! _Am__ You put the fun in "funnel" - craichead. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #3 June 26, 2002 What's insane about that? Looks safer than most Cessnas to me. -- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #4 June 26, 2002 BTW Mac, Thanks for posting to that forum. The hot topic of discussion haunting the top of the lists is kind of starting to bug me...-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Macaulay 0 #5 June 26, 2002 The insane part being how quickly the canopy opened, not the safety part. Devil's Punchbowl and Sunset Cliffs are probably as high/higher, and I jumped those long before skydiving. I just BASE jumped off my chair without a rig. Yep, it's expanded to BASEF, for furniture. - Mac Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,090 #6 June 26, 2002 Why is that insane? I used to do that with rounds off an 80 ft bridge. The parachute opening was just a bonus. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #7 June 26, 2002 LOL! Ooooh, can I be BASEF #2? Can I? Seriously, though, at 18.5meters, it's high enough that you could get a canopy that would allow you to walk away if you used an appropriate setup (small canopy, bottom skin vents, ZP topskin, extra wide D-Bag, etc, etc, etc) and had just fairly decent luck.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #8 June 26, 2002 Hey Bill, What kind of rounds? Were you using an elastic on the apex? And did they usually open?-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Macaulay 0 #9 June 26, 2002 Send photo evidence of your F jump and $3,600 to the address below to receive your USBASEF certificate: Me 123 Fourth St Blah, BLAH BLAH - Mac Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,090 #10 June 26, 2002 >What kind of rounds? Navy 26' conicals >Were you using an elastic on the apex? Nope, breakcord at first, then we switched to hand-assist when we ran out of that. > And did they usually open? Interestingly, they barely opened in time when dry, but opened much better when wet. They'd whap open and water would fly off the top surface of the canopy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hobbes4star 0 #11 June 26, 2002 late to post but looks like the guy had a static line attached. am i seeing that right?? how fast are base rigs supposed to open?if fun were easy it wouldn't be worth having, right? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diver123 0 #12 June 27, 2002 Macaulay, You said Devil's Punchbowl... Are you from Oregon? If yes, what part? "pull high! It's lower than you think..." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #14 June 27, 2002 Quotelate to post but looks like the guy had a static line attached. am i seeing that right?? how fast are base rigs supposed to open? It is a static line jump. Minimum recommended altitude for BASE jumps is 400 feet. Minimum recommended altitude for static line deployments is 200 feet. Actual records for lowest jumps over water are below the height where the parachute becomes unnecessary. Lowest recorded heights over solid earth are 156 ft for free fall deployment and 63 feet for direct bag/static line/pilot chute assist. Those numbers are from memory, so someone may have gone lower in the past six months or so.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #15 June 27, 2002 QuoteMinimum recommended altitude for BASE jumps is 400 feet According to who? I don't know a lot about BASE but I know that several of my friends have done plenty of jumps in the low 200Ft range without a S/L. Last one I saw on video was off a radio tower at 230 Ft. Just a large P/C and a 1 sec delay. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #16 June 27, 2002 Um. According to me. Generally I've gathered information from a whole lot of sources. I don't know a whole lot about skydiving, but I have spent the last several years gathering information (and experience) about BASE. I didn't say that those were the minimum altitudes possible, just the lowest ones that the gear is intended for, and that I'd personally recommend. I guess that I'm unwilling to get on a skydiving forum and recommend that anyone make lower jumps than that. It'd be a bit like saying that doing a 12 way head down was ok to people with 20 freefly jumps (except that the BASE would be a fair sight more dangerous). Someone would be certain to go out and try it. And the next time you talk to them, tell your BASE friends that I said they are crazy, irresponsible wackos, and that anyone freefalling objects under 400 ft is completely out of control. -- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #17 June 27, 2002 Quotetell your BASE friends that I said they are crazy, irresponsible wackos, and that anyone freefalling objects under 400 ft is completely out of control. It's OK....I think that already..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hobbes4star 0 #18 June 27, 2002 what do you consider insane, and what do you consider normal. i know a few people whom consider me insane for jumping out of airplanes. what makes one person willing to jump at 400 more insane than someone willing to jump at 14000?? what time to impact. everything can be considered insane by depending on who's point of view your looking at it from. i know a vegitarian that thinks eating meat is insane. just something to think about.if fun were easy it wouldn't be worth having, right? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #19 June 27, 2002 Dude...I put the thing there...... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hobbes4star 0 #20 June 27, 2002 i wasn't replying to you.if fun were easy it wouldn't be worth having, right? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #21 June 27, 2002 See the video Jinx.mov, which I have just uploaded to the skydivingmovies.com server, for my idea of an average Saturday afternoon. I'll try to upload my idea of insanity a bit later today...-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 30 #22 June 27, 2002 hobbes, have a look at his full profile..... You might understand the sarcasm behind his comment then.... [holding back laughter]Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #23 June 27, 2002 Here's a small, low quality copy of that video. Let's see if I can figure out how to attach it to the post... Text Explanation: The Jinx: Freefall Tom Aiello freefalls "The Jinx" a legal 150 ft cliff at the waterfront, near the United States' most popular legal BASE jumping destination. Tom used his water gear, a clapped out (and repeatedly patched) FOX 265M Vtec, Prism (single pin close rig) and 48" Basic Research pilot chute, each in excess of 300 jumps and 40 water landings. This jump occurred in June 2001, and was highly controversial in the U.S. BASE community. Many jumpers feel that jumping the cliffs near the popular legal bridge jeopardizes access to the bridge itself, especially in the event that an injury were to occur. It was also felt that this jump exceeded the risk tolerance of most jumpers by being too low for freefall parachute deployment. Note that this is one of those rare BASE jumps where a freefall deployment is safer than a static line deployment, as even a 180 off heading on a freefall deployment would likely not result in cliff strike due to minimization of canopy time.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Jinx2.mov Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #24 June 27, 2002 Quoteminimization of canopy time. Now thats a funny term..... "No sir....that wasn't a low pull. That was minimization of canopy time...." Where's 3flier? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #25 June 27, 2002 Well, most BASE accidents occur under fully inflated canopies. So, it's logical that we can minimize accidents by minimizing canopy time. Makes perfect sense! -- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
