freeflir29 0 #1 July 5, 2002 Sorry guys......because of nasty weather yesterday afternoon and my having to work today, I didn't get in my jumps to finish the coach's course. It HAS to be done this weekend for several reasons so I'll be having to stay home. Sorry about that....I was looking forward to seeing the crowd as well as meet the .commers. It'll have to be another day.... The good news is....I did finish all my ground prep so I'm pretty much home free as far as I'm concerned. Just can't do anything stupid in the air and I'll be OK. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nws01 0 #2 July 5, 2002 What will you be teaching the students? Will you expect them to pay for your slots and anything extra? Good luck! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites freeflir29 0 #3 July 5, 2002 Interesting question. After going through the course and learning a lot about the new ISP I have an all new view. "Coaching" the way it used to be and a "Coach" doing category dives with a student are two entirely differen't things. Basically the new ISP requires the coach to do jumps that are an extension of the AFF program. You teach, brief, dirt dive, dive, and debrief just like an AFF jump. There are a lot of requirements that the coach must comply with. In fact...the only "real" difference is that the coach isn't allowed to stabalize or pull for the student. In fact, we aren't supposed to do anything except "normal docking manuevers" as far as touching the student goes. We also sign off their A license cards and give them oral quizes to advance them to the next category. You have to keep your rating "current" by doing x number of jumps and teaching FJC's every year. Of course, there is also the matter of the $40 the USPA gets every year for my rating. Students jumping with me will get the advantage of video too. OK...all that said. It's still in discussion but the general concensus last night seemed to be something along the lines of slot and pack job. Here at SD Atlanta thats $24 extra for the student. Of course...if it's just a jump like a H&P where I don't actually get out of the aircraft with them I'm not going to charge them a dime. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites nws01 0 #4 July 5, 2002 I have been considering getting the license. I just have not been jumping enough so far this year because of my move and the weather. My only hesitation right now is there is a lot of lightweight jumpers at my new dropzone that would need weights to jump with me. If we do not do a docked exit they float and I try like hell to get back up to them. The people who weigh more than 100 lbs. I don't have a problem with.Do you have a plan for the dive flows for their first fifty jumps? Are you going to recommend RW until then? That is what I plan on doing. I ordered the Skydive University video from Lisa and it could help you in your planning. I know it is not easy to be a Skydive University coach. At least it is harder than the U.S.P.A. Rating. Are you planning on coaching the Freefly transition from RW as well? What exactly do you have to pass from a flying perspective? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites freeflir29 0 #5 July 5, 2002 QuoteDo you have a plan for the dive flows for their first fifty jumps Right now I'll just be concentrating on the real USPA Coach duties which are outlined in the SIM. Check out the categories after the last AFF jump. Thats the "Meat and Potatoes" of the Coach program. Taking those students that just got off AFF to their A License. I will definately recommend RW to them for the first 50. I haven't even seen that Skydive U stuff. Haven't had any interest in it so far. QuoteWhat exactly do you have to pass from a flying perspective? You just take the I/E through a category G or H dive. From Briefing and training, to gear up, JMPI, JMPI,JMPI, Then they go out and act like a student. Get a little unstable here and there. Stumble with the TLO's and the general stuff that they do in AFF evaluation dives. Just not nearly as severe. Plus...as a Coach you don't actually have to catch them. Just keep good proximity. What is good proximity? That is subjective per the I/E. Then conduct a good debrief of the dive. Do that a couple times and you are good. QuoteAt least it is harder than the U.S.P.A. Rating Probably, but I don't suggest you get the idea that the USPA course is "easy" OK...if the course director is a schmuck and just hands out ratings to anyone and doesn't care.....yeah I'm sure it's easy. If he cares and wants to make a good instructor out of you I'm sure you will learn a lot from the course. I have several years of experience as a professional instructor in the military. I have taught probably hundreds of classes to groups ranging from 3 to 300+ and I made my fair share of mistakes. I suggest you find a course being given by Billy Rhodes. I hear he has mellowed in his old age... I enjoyed the course and it certainly knocked the dust off my instructor skills since I haven't taught professionally in 2 years or so. Billy has MANY years of experience and is a wealth of knowledge. Follow that guy around....you'll learn stuff!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhreeZone 20 #6 July 5, 2002 >Get a little unstable here and there. My I/E and I did a Cat H and worked on tracking skills and exit.... he took off in a circle track with booties and a max track body shape. All I could do was sit in the middle of the circle and watch him orbit me. I failed that one since I could'nt maintain proximity. The common cause for failure in my class was either proximity issues or not covering the material in the part/whole/part theory on the breif and debrief. In our class we had to be close enough to dock if need be, we also had to observe student break altitude and have an open canopy by 3000. That was the hard one for me, Student break was at 4500.... wait around to see if they turn and track and if so where do they go (looking for the circle track), they have to pull at 4000... if they don't then you have to pull first, if they pull then you have to turn and track and toss by 3500 to be open in time. When the I/E is flying a Velocity 79, he can fly down to you to verify that you were open by 3000. The I/E decided to do a tumbling exit with another classmate when they were launching a sidebody, yet another he did agressive, but safe docking techniques where the experience jumper (700+ jumps all RW) was getting flipped. On every ones jumps he also acted differently in the plane (fighting with other jumpers, acting passed out, trying to take his rig off) and we as coaches in training had to deal with these new issues on the ride up. Over all that entire weekend was nothing but stress on me....Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites freeflir29 0 #7 July 5, 2002 QuoteOver all that entire weekend was nothing but stress on me.... Yep....Thats why I have new attitude about what I should be paid. It sounds like your course director was being "a bit harsh" on the proximity issues. AFF candidates need to be within arms reach of the student at all times. It's not your job as a coach NOR SHOULD YOU touch the student in Free fall to correct him. Be close enough for hand signals to be effective....YES. Touch them...NO. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites nws01 0 #8 July 5, 2002 Quote. Be close enough for hand signals to be effective....YES. Touch them...NO. Unless it is a hot chick then touching is fine. Be sure you help her put vaseline on her nipples too like Viking said. That is a very important pre dive criteria that you need to teach the ladies. Jumping naked is good to because they do not have the assistance of a suit. Jump # 30 has to be naked. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. 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freeflir29 0 #3 July 5, 2002 Interesting question. After going through the course and learning a lot about the new ISP I have an all new view. "Coaching" the way it used to be and a "Coach" doing category dives with a student are two entirely differen't things. Basically the new ISP requires the coach to do jumps that are an extension of the AFF program. You teach, brief, dirt dive, dive, and debrief just like an AFF jump. There are a lot of requirements that the coach must comply with. In fact...the only "real" difference is that the coach isn't allowed to stabalize or pull for the student. In fact, we aren't supposed to do anything except "normal docking manuevers" as far as touching the student goes. We also sign off their A license cards and give them oral quizes to advance them to the next category. You have to keep your rating "current" by doing x number of jumps and teaching FJC's every year. Of course, there is also the matter of the $40 the USPA gets every year for my rating. Students jumping with me will get the advantage of video too. OK...all that said. It's still in discussion but the general concensus last night seemed to be something along the lines of slot and pack job. Here at SD Atlanta thats $24 extra for the student. Of course...if it's just a jump like a H&P where I don't actually get out of the aircraft with them I'm not going to charge them a dime. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nws01 0 #4 July 5, 2002 I have been considering getting the license. I just have not been jumping enough so far this year because of my move and the weather. My only hesitation right now is there is a lot of lightweight jumpers at my new dropzone that would need weights to jump with me. If we do not do a docked exit they float and I try like hell to get back up to them. The people who weigh more than 100 lbs. I don't have a problem with.Do you have a plan for the dive flows for their first fifty jumps? Are you going to recommend RW until then? That is what I plan on doing. I ordered the Skydive University video from Lisa and it could help you in your planning. I know it is not easy to be a Skydive University coach. At least it is harder than the U.S.P.A. Rating. Are you planning on coaching the Freefly transition from RW as well? What exactly do you have to pass from a flying perspective? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #5 July 5, 2002 QuoteDo you have a plan for the dive flows for their first fifty jumps Right now I'll just be concentrating on the real USPA Coach duties which are outlined in the SIM. Check out the categories after the last AFF jump. Thats the "Meat and Potatoes" of the Coach program. Taking those students that just got off AFF to their A License. I will definately recommend RW to them for the first 50. I haven't even seen that Skydive U stuff. Haven't had any interest in it so far. QuoteWhat exactly do you have to pass from a flying perspective? You just take the I/E through a category G or H dive. From Briefing and training, to gear up, JMPI, JMPI,JMPI, Then they go out and act like a student. Get a little unstable here and there. Stumble with the TLO's and the general stuff that they do in AFF evaluation dives. Just not nearly as severe. Plus...as a Coach you don't actually have to catch them. Just keep good proximity. What is good proximity? That is subjective per the I/E. Then conduct a good debrief of the dive. Do that a couple times and you are good. QuoteAt least it is harder than the U.S.P.A. Rating Probably, but I don't suggest you get the idea that the USPA course is "easy" OK...if the course director is a schmuck and just hands out ratings to anyone and doesn't care.....yeah I'm sure it's easy. If he cares and wants to make a good instructor out of you I'm sure you will learn a lot from the course. I have several years of experience as a professional instructor in the military. I have taught probably hundreds of classes to groups ranging from 3 to 300+ and I made my fair share of mistakes. I suggest you find a course being given by Billy Rhodes. I hear he has mellowed in his old age... I enjoyed the course and it certainly knocked the dust off my instructor skills since I haven't taught professionally in 2 years or so. Billy has MANY years of experience and is a wealth of knowledge. Follow that guy around....you'll learn stuff!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #6 July 5, 2002 >Get a little unstable here and there. My I/E and I did a Cat H and worked on tracking skills and exit.... he took off in a circle track with booties and a max track body shape. All I could do was sit in the middle of the circle and watch him orbit me. I failed that one since I could'nt maintain proximity. The common cause for failure in my class was either proximity issues or not covering the material in the part/whole/part theory on the breif and debrief. In our class we had to be close enough to dock if need be, we also had to observe student break altitude and have an open canopy by 3000. That was the hard one for me, Student break was at 4500.... wait around to see if they turn and track and if so where do they go (looking for the circle track), they have to pull at 4000... if they don't then you have to pull first, if they pull then you have to turn and track and toss by 3500 to be open in time. When the I/E is flying a Velocity 79, he can fly down to you to verify that you were open by 3000. The I/E decided to do a tumbling exit with another classmate when they were launching a sidebody, yet another he did agressive, but safe docking techniques where the experience jumper (700+ jumps all RW) was getting flipped. On every ones jumps he also acted differently in the plane (fighting with other jumpers, acting passed out, trying to take his rig off) and we as coaches in training had to deal with these new issues on the ride up. Over all that entire weekend was nothing but stress on me....Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #7 July 5, 2002 QuoteOver all that entire weekend was nothing but stress on me.... Yep....Thats why I have new attitude about what I should be paid. It sounds like your course director was being "a bit harsh" on the proximity issues. AFF candidates need to be within arms reach of the student at all times. It's not your job as a coach NOR SHOULD YOU touch the student in Free fall to correct him. Be close enough for hand signals to be effective....YES. Touch them...NO. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nws01 0 #8 July 5, 2002 Quote. Be close enough for hand signals to be effective....YES. Touch them...NO. Unless it is a hot chick then touching is fine. Be sure you help her put vaseline on her nipples too like Viking said. That is a very important pre dive criteria that you need to teach the ladies. Jumping naked is good to because they do not have the assistance of a suit. Jump # 30 has to be naked. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
