I Am Totally Shocked.....

[rgoper 0]

....we are supposed to abide by the rules here on these forums so generously provided to us by HH. but what i've witnessed in the post entitled canopy nazi rant, has me at a loss for words.

do two wrongs make a right? if someone missbehaves, does it give us a right to personally attack them? are the etiquette rules, the rules, or not? do they apply to everyone, or only those that can conduct themselfs properly? are is it ok to put someone in their place now and then? and then try to feel good about it?

i'm NOT saying i condone Rhino's actions/words, but what i am trying to say, is that just because he loses his composure, doesn't give any of us the right to personally attack him for it, rules are rules, right? so because he breaches them, is it allright for the rest of us to attack him?

in the end, we're all sky divers, we're supposed to be family, we're acting like the Beverly Hillbillies. i' NOT pointing fingers, i'm cheif of sinners here, i just have a more civil tongue in my head than Rhino does. Rhino is serving his country, protecting OUR rights, maybe even sometimes sacrificing his own, does that not demand a little respect, and a slower hand to judgement?

this whole incident makes me sad, very sad. i find that this forum(s) are getting more like a "civilized rec" more and more lately, where the "priviledged few" can assualt, and attack personally others, but unless your in the IT crowd, you cannot get away with it.

i implore all of us, to reflect back on preceding events, and try harder than ever to conduct ourselves in a more "kinder, gentler" fashion. again, i'm not pointing fingers here, just making a "plea for a peaceful resolution"

none of you here can tell me that if you were on a flight with Rhino, and he noticed something wrong with your gear, he wouldn't bring it to your attention, and vice-versa.

i know i'm going out on a limb here, and i am quite possibly offering myself up for crusifixion, that's the chance i'll have to take.

it's time to "lay down our arms" please.....it's getting out of hand.

Regards:

--Richard--
"We Will Not Be Shaken By Thugs, And Terroist"

[Phil 0]

Don't be, I mean it was just a matter of time, till it would happen again. The names change, but everything else just repeats itself.
Look, what we see here, is what is going on all over the place - it's called real life!

So there are people out there, that don't give a shit what others think, about their opinions and everything else. It's a fact.
People have been going at each others throat since mankind is accounted for. Why should this be any different between skydivers?

Look around, read the posts and you will find very little room to express your ideas without some smartarse having to say something stupid about it.

Go back and read some of the more serious topics and you'll see what I mean.

And I'm sorry to say this, depending who makes the comments it is considered ok for this individual to do so.

So there are no rules out there. They are being made up by the majority as we go and you are either in or out.

The best way to handle this, is to simply stay away and go jumping instead.

There are same great people in this forum that I have a lot of respect for - others - well reading their post has been mostly a waste of time. It's up to you to choose.

I take it like my sport. I learn, listen and choose what I can take out of it to improve my skills.

Stay out of politics and use the white flag to wipe your a@... peace makers usually carry guns...
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how high can you fly with broken wings ...
life's a journey not a destination

[rgoper 0]

Phil:

your probably right.

--Richard--
"We Will Not Be Shaken By Thugs, And Terroist"

[skreamer 1]

No, I disagree with you. There is one major difference between this place and rec.skydiving : PMs.

I am as petty as the next person, recently billvon had to put up with my hair-splitting, previously lisa, skymedic, diverdriver etc. have received whiney PMs from me. THAT is the real difference, you don't have to do your bashing and whingeing in the forums. If you've got a problem with something someone said, perhaps PMs are the wiser option.

Some people prefer to do their bashing in public and then act all hurt and surprized when their behaviour is found unacceptable. Same as at the DZ, if I screw up and you take me to one side, have a chat and explain what I did wrong, it'll go down a whole lot better than chastizing me in public.

So, basically, what I'm saying rgoper is that there are no "privileged few" posting here, just some people that have a bit more common sense and know when to use it.

Will

[sangiro 26]

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does that not demand a little respect, and a slower hand to judgement?

No, that doesn't. There are masses of people on these boards who serve and who will be insulted by "special" treatment because of that. I have met and worked with a lot of active serving members and I can assure you, they don't need special treatment from you or me.

Respect is not a birth right, nor does it come as a fringe benefit with any occupation, it's defined by ones actions.

Rhino has shown very little if any respect to others. What exactly is the basis of his claim for respect? His actions? I think not. I really don't care if he is the guy who invented Velcro, he gets the same treatment.

He has overstayed his welcome. You shouldn't be too shocked.

Safe swoops
Sangiro

[Remster 30]

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Velcro

how abot tuck tabs??? no one likes Velcro anymore, but tuck tabs! yea baby....

Remster

[Jimbo 0]

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do two wrongs make a right? if someone missbehaves, does it give us a right to personally attack them? are the etiquette rules, the rules, or not? do they apply to everyone, or only those that can conduct themselfs properly? are is it ok to put someone in their place now and then? and then try to feel good about it?

i'm NOT saying i condone Rhino's actions/words, but what i am trying to say, is that just because he loses his composure, doesn't give any of us the right to personally attack him for it, rules are rules, right? so because he breaches them, is it allright for the rest of us to attack him?

I agree with this. There are a few who seem to go out of their way to taunt those who they do not like or are deemed 'unpopular'. The taunts are obvious, at least to me. It does seem like a double standard and that just sucks.


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Jim

"Like" - The modern day comma
Good bye, my friends. You are missed.

[sangiro 26]

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So, basically, what I'm saying rgoper is that there are no "privileged few" posting here, just some people that have a bit more common sense and know when to use it. (PMs)

Well said. Thanks skreamer. Another difference is that there are moderators. You may not like what they do all the time, that's fine - I do. I trust their judgment and I'll stand by it. If it's that unacceptable to you feel free to move right along.

I'm going to say something again that I've said in the past. My goal here is NOT to try and please everyone. Trying to please everyone is a sign of mediocricity and you simply end up pissing off the "nice" people.

I have long accepted that some people will not like it and leave - that's OK. I have sided with those people who can hold a civilized conversation, don't swear at everyone around them, and contribute in some positive way without making a drama out of everything and whining about how unfair the world is.

People see through BS in no time. So, if you're one feeding the group that all the time, don't think for a second that they don't know it. They're just not throwing it back at you. Me on the other hand...

Safe swoops
Sangiro

[sangiro 26]

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It does seem like a double standard and that just sucks.

And I disagree with you. I think Rhino has made his bed, he should lie in it.

Safe swoops
Sangiro

[Jimbo 0]

What I was talking about had absolutely nothing to do with Rhino's behavior. It had/has to do with the behavior of others and the tolerance of said behavior. Others on this site have made personal attacks without incident. Rgoper's original statement said something about do two wrongs make a right? Do they? I realize that this isn't a democracy, but if we're going to have rules then shouldn't they apply equally to everyone?

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Jim

"Like" - The modern day comma
Good bye, my friends. You are missed.

[flyhi 24]

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we're acting like the Beverly Hillbillies.

I love those guys. Which one of us is Ellie May?

Shit happens. And it usually happens because of physics.

[skymama 37]

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Rhino is serving his country, protecting OUR rights, maybe even sometimes sacrificing his own, does that not demand a little respect, and a slower hand to judgement?

Six months ago, when he first started spouting off, I think the majority of us did give him the benefit of the doubt. But, he went over the line way too many times. And, as the daughter of a Marine Captain who fought in Viet Nam, it makes me sick for him and you to consider his actions excusable just because he served. At least on these forums, he does not show the qualities that I have grown up to know that a Marine possesses.

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where the "priviledged few" can assualt, and attack personally others, but unless your in the IT crowd, you cannot get away with it.

Who is in the "IT" crowd? I am totally lost on this statement.

She is Da Man, and you better not mess with Da Man,
because she will lay some keepdown on you faster than, well, really fast. ~Billvon

[AggieDave 6]

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Rhino is serving his country, protecting OUR rights, maybe even sometimes sacrificing his own, does that not demand a little respect, and a slower hand to judgement?

To a point Richard, to a point. Unfortunately, my ability to tactfully respond to his nonsense has retired, leaving me in a position to say things that would be inappropiate, thus I quit responding to him. On another note, just about every Marine that I know would more then likely want to kick this guys ass for how he's acted and what he's said.

Does this mean that he or I would not step in to help each other if a problem arised? No, I know that personally I'm a very caring person and I tend to be there for people and I'm willing to bet that in real life rhino would be too, but that still doesn't excuse his consistant childish behavor here.

We are members of a community and as a community we have to act like it, the backlash from some of the members of our community came *after* multipul offenses from rhino. Was it right? No, not necissarily. Was it justified? Hey, people are people, everyone has a line that can be crossed.

Now, lets get on with life and go skydive!

--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."

[nws01 0]

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Who is in the "IT" crowd? I am totally lost on this statement.

I don't know what he is talking about either, Mama, but I would say if their was an "it" crowd you would be in because you have BOOBIES!

[sangiro 26]

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had/has to do with the behavior of others and the tolerance of said behavior

You're duly invited to point this out to me via PM next time it occurs and we'll have the discussion and take the necessary action.

Safe swoops
Sangiro

[AggieDave 6]

I think Richard is refering to the regulars, not just the post whores like myself, but there is about 100 people or so that are the main core of regulars on the site.

The difference is, though, the kind of backlash that was evident in the other thread came from over 6 months of tact and understand and 2nd (3rd, 4th, 5th...) chances. That does not mean that the persons who responded in a less then tactful manner weren't repremanded, they could have been in private, that is not known. Eitherway, they knew they did wrong and I would be hard pressed to see that happen again except in very odd circumstances, as was presented.

--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."

[sangiro 26]

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Rhino is serving his country, protecting OUR rights, maybe even sometimes sacrificing his own, does that not demand a little respect, and a slower hand to judgement?

You can work in a soap factory, but unless you actually bath and apply some soap personally - you'll still be dirty!

Safe swoops
Sangiro

[Scratch 0]

"Rhino is serving his country, protecting OUR rights, maybe even sometimes sacrificing his own, does that not demand a little respect, and a slower hand to judgement?"

Say that again the next time you see a parent pounding the crap out of their kids.
I fail to see the difference.

[MarkM 0]

I see so many flame fests start on dz.com from the stupidest of things.

90% of the time person A will say something, but person B simply reads it the wrong way. Person B then responds to what they perceive as a hostile post in a hostile tone. Of course person A responds back with hostility. It's so especially bad on this site because skydiving is a sport with so many strong opionions.

You lose a lot of information when you just have lines of text to read, information on the tone of character on the speaker. The inflections in their voice, their posture, facial changes, etc. So your mind just creates a tone for you.

Sometimes you just have to give a poster the benefit of the doubt, that a post that may seem inflamatory in fact isn't if you read it in a less hostile tone.

[Muenkel 0]

I think the problem here is we may not be under the influence of beer. Seriously, if we all met around a campfire at a dz, we would probably be under the influence of beer and controversial things could be said and noone would get upset about it.

I've said it before and I will say it again: In the written word, voice inflection and expression are lost. Posts can be misunderstood because of this.

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Chris

[drenaline 0]

It all depends on who reads the post an who answers it, you make your own environment and you interpret it how you wish, nice, good, bad, flamethrower, etc. Lately everything is been interpreted as a flame, maybe its time to use the smile faces to make others know that its not a flame or something else.

Me personally take everything as a joke, and I have recieved flames but I just try to joke about it and take it to a nicer conversation, ask around, I hate to fight, there was only one time that I got ticked off (I forgot who made the assault, don't want to repeat that again) and I had to attack back, I know I did wrong but the man touched the only nerve that ticks me off and no I wont repeat it again. It happened in talkback I know the thread but don't want to remember who made me angry.

I hate it when people say I know nothing, that am an ignorant and that I talk without knowing a thing.
First ask me why or how I know, before throwing me a flame like that or else you will get a not so nice PM.

HISPA 21
www.panamafreefall.com

[cloud9 0]

***I hate it when people say I know nothing, that am an ignorant and that I talk without knowing a thing.
First ask me why or how I know, before throwing me a flame like that or else you will get a not so nice PM. ***

Wow! I think you made your own self mad!

[drenaline 0]

yep, just sent myself a PM.

HISPA 21
www.panamafreefall.com