cloud9 0 #26 July 6, 2002 This is kind of a two sided thing. First I see a lot of newer people invited on RW jumps. The jump is dirt dived, and then off they go. The formation doesn't happen the newbie thinks its his fault he/she walks away and doesn't try to get on another load. FF starts out solo for quite a few jumps until you get good enough to jump with other people. I don't know of any FF that were on formations docking with someone the first couple of times the jumped FF. If your on an RW jump stay around for the post jump ask questions and you will probably get invited on another jump. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crazy 0 #27 July 6, 2002 Quote I never understood why some people like to fly in the opening position from the beginning to the end... Some do even worse, they fly in the openED position for ages... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KATO33 0 #28 July 7, 2002 I think it all depends on the attitude of the jumpers at the DZ Hard core vs Teachers the teachers will take a newbie jumper and invite him/her to join them. The hardcore skydivers who want to make successful skydive turning a lot of points won't. Which is cool as well it gives the newbie a goal to shoot for. Blue Skies Black Death Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamsville 0 #29 July 7, 2002 I am just now getting head-down after a bunch of jumps. Last year it took a bunch of jumps to be steady sit fly after a few hundred RW jumps. Be versatile and be patient if you have the time to jump different styles. Big ways in RW, 4-way flat fly, and group free fly are all wonderful. RW has been around longer and there is more structure to the formations, and so maybe more of a standard by which to be critical. Free fly will evolve too, it's just a few years behind. Let's all keep an open mind and relax. Free and flat fliers all need a good and STL.I don't drink during the day, so I don't know what it is about this airline. I keep falling out the door of the plane. Harry, FB #4143 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #30 July 7, 2002 QuoteI think it all depends on the attitude of the jumpers at the DZ Amen. I've been to DZ's where the RW folks were the up-tight cliquey ones, and I was shocked, because where I learned it was the Freeflyers who wouldn't let you on to their jumps. Go with whichever discipline at your DZ is friendliest and most interested in teaching when you start, then branch out later on. Maybe it's young students who write off RW because they feel more comfortable with the (usually younger) freeflyers at their DZ's.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
drenaline 0 #31 July 7, 2002 QuoteThe formation doesn't happen the newbie thinks its his fault he/she walks away and doesn't try to get on another load. I am my worst enemy, if I screw up or can't dock or whateva I always blame it on myself, I get depressed, sad, mad and everything that goes with it. Now everytime I do a major screw up, I go and make a solo fun jump (sit, head down, belly, stand, whateva) to try and relax. Any advice for a boy (on july 8th I turn 21 HISPA 21 www.panamafreefall.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cloud9 0 #32 July 7, 2002 ***Any advice for a boy (on july 8th I turn 21 ) that his worst judge and depresser is himself? *** Well don't put yourself on any pressure jumps. Remember that everyone funnels a formation now and then. Get a good critique after the jump. And keep in mind its all supposed to be fun. After all you only get about 40-50 seconds of flying pratice per jump before its time to track off. Its going to take a few to get it down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bodypilot90 0 #33 July 7, 2002 well at our dz, my group tries to include everyone. we'll put ya in the base and work around you, if you need some one on one, I normally ask him or her to come sunday morning and play chase the newbie. I guess I do it because I did feel a bit left out for 50 jumps. I found a old guy who couldn't pack fast and didn't like do a lot in freefall, I provided him with entertainment, he showed me how to skydive :) Word to the wise to newbies, be 1st to the dz. Talk with everyone. Offer to manifest the group. Be teachable, learn to laugh at yourself. Ask how you could do better. Offer to pay for a pack job, while you receive one on one debrief and coaching (Lot cheaper than skydive U) Buy your beer, bring a cooler of sodas. This stuff is way fun. If we are not having fun we are paying way to much to be unhappy. Muff brothers rule! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jumperpaula 0 #34 July 7, 2002 Quote Word to the wise to newbies, be 1st to the dz. Talk with everyone. Offer to manifest the group. Be teachable, learn to laugh at yourself. Ask how you could do better. Offer to pay for a pack job, while you receive one on one debrief and coaching (Lot cheaper than skydive U) Buy your beer, bring a cooler of sodas. Muff brothers rule! This is the best advice I've seen. I've spent most of this season jumping with skydivers who are recently off student status doing simple 4 way's and scr's. I've learned alot! People think RW is supposed to be easy but it's not. It takes a lot of practice to fly relative to others. Practice is the fun part. Why is it mentally challenging? Because it is performance driven. It is very very difficult to teach someone RW who beats themself up over a skydive, then gets frustrated and goes to make a sit fly solo when you've done ONE jump with them. Regarding getting "invited" or made to feel like charity- just like new people learn from jumping with those who have more experience, those who have SOME experience learn from jumping with those who have even more. I've been the one not invited on the sunset big way before, but I didn't quit RW and go do a freefly solo because I felt snubbed. Freeflying because the pressure is less is great. Personally, I have stuck with Formation Skydiving because it's challenging to strive for performance and perfection in the sport. Yes, it's high pressure sometimes, but the pressure just adds to the thrill. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gale 0 #35 July 8, 2002 I just did my first RW dive a little while ago and I know I felt really amazed when the guy asked me. He just wanted to teach me some stuff. He said that he just wanted to jump, and that jumping with newbies teaches him stuff too. Anyway that dive made me so happy and was so much fun it totally got me psyched to do more of it, I had a huge grin as soon as I got down (and in the air too). He seemed to really enjoy it too. So if you're experienced, maybe you could consider lending a hand to a flailing newbie so they will develop a love of the discipline you so enjoy. GaleI'm drowning...so come inside Welcome to my...dirty mind Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
