freebird 0 #1 July 7, 2002 Im selling my new 135 Sabre 2. Im going to get a Triathlon 150 or 135...........The Sabre is a fine canopy but my canopy skills still need refining.I feel unsure on final............ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #2 July 7, 2002 Have you flown a Tri? Personally, I would much, MUCH, rather have a Sabre2 any day of the week then a Tri. My personal opinion is that they're not the canopy that does everything, they're the canopy that does nothing well at all, but that's just me and I have just under 200 jumps, so take my opinion with some seriously large grains of salt. --"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #3 July 7, 2002 QuoteI'm selling my new 135 Sabre 2. Im going to get a Triathlon 150 or 135. I'd agree with Aggie on the Triathlon. I haven't been very impressed with the Triathlons I've jumped. Be sure you demo the Triathlon before you make a decision. There may be other options. I don't really have the experience to recommend other options, but I'm sure someone here does. Anybody else have any suggestions? QuoteThe Sabre is a fine canopy but my canopy skills still need refining.I feel unsure on final. I'm very impressed. It takes way more courage to back out of a dangerous situation that you're uncertain in, than merely to charge ahead until you get hurt. Nice job!-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Viking 0 #4 July 7, 2002 what are you loading the sabre 2 at?I swear you must have footprints on the back of your helmet - chicagoskydiver My God has a bigger dick than your god -George Carlin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skybytch 273 #5 July 7, 2002 I'd suggest demoing a Spectre too. At the wingloading you're flying, I think you'd like it Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bbarnhouse 0 #6 July 7, 2002 I just purchased a new Sabre2 120 and absolutely love it! My prioir canopy was a Triathalon 150. My wing loading on the Trialthalon was .9 so there wasn't much forward speed, and the flare was always a hard one. I was always on the front risers to gain speed to land and that in itself was a chore. It was also a longer canopy ride. The nice thing about the Tri is that it is a more "forgiving", conservative canopy. I suggest that you demo one before making the decision to give up on your Sabre2. Hope this is helpful to you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Deleted 0 #7 July 7, 2002 AAARRRGGGHHHH!!!! Why, oh why do I have to be broke all the time???? I'd buy that Sabre2 from you in a heartbeat. Would replace my Sabre 135 real nicely! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites fasterfaller 0 #8 July 7, 2002 Why not get some help from a coach that has a lot of skill in canopy control . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rgoper 0 #9 July 7, 2002 QuoteWhy not get some help from a coach that has a lot of skill in canopy control . she did ask, it's my fault, i had a member of my immediate family in medical distress and couldn't make it, but she did ask. free, can you make it tomorrow? pm me. the bad thing about selling your canopy, is it's now not worth maybe 2/3rds of what you paid for it, and if you buy another new one, 8-10 weeks, and more $$$. i apologize.--Richard-- "We Will Not Be Shaken By Thugs, And Terroist" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites cloud9 0 #10 July 7, 2002 Quotea Tri. My personal opinion is that they're not the canopy that does everything, they're the canopy that does nothing well at all, Wow I'm really surprised by this statement. I guess that's why they make so many different canopies. I jumped a Triathlon 175 for about 100 jumps and really loved the canopy. Some of the things I thought it did really well. Openings were great, soft on heading. I could not bowtie this canopy I could pull toggles all the way down it would stall and just kind of shutter. It had turns as fast or faster then a Sabre. It was very easy to land. There was no two stage type flare. The canopy really did not want to surf. So all I had to do was flare at about 10 ft and it would set me down for nice soft standups most of the time. It handles turbulence very well. It was also very easy to pack. What I didn't like about it. It didn't like to surf! I certainly would not tell someone to sell their new canopy and buy another. But I would highly recomend the triathlon for a newer jumper, or someone that just does not want the surf type landings. In fact my wife will be starting Aff in the fall and her first canopy off student status will be a Triathlon. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bodypilot90 0 #11 July 7, 2002 I would demo a spectre, but I would get someone to video my landings and get some coaching b4 I dumped the canopy enless you were in danger of bring injured. I have 20 or so tri jumps always seem to be a good canopy just think the spectre is a bit better. However the tri can be ez to pack Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Slappie 9 #12 July 7, 2002 QuoteWhat I didn't like about it. It didn't like to surf! That is sooooo un-American!! hehe freebird.. don't sell it. I was at Waller yesterday and would have helped ya out some, but I didn't see you. Yesterday was a no-wing to very very light wind day. On a breezy day you'll see it is much easier to fly and land. I do agree with some of the others specialy sktbytch you need to demo a Spectre. I flew one and loved my opening and the landings. I unlike cloud9 like the surf and the Spectre had none. So maybe a demo is in order. "Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have found out the exact measure of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites freebird 0 #13 July 7, 2002 Hey dude No worries I sent you a pm about the Sabre 2. Im spending Sunday with my 7 year old daughterRead my pm and we can decide what to do.......Don't worry about Sat. Talk to you later, Tiff Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites tkhayes 348 #14 July 7, 2002 then buy a Spectre, not a Triathlon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites freebird 0 #15 July 7, 2002 I was there.I just was concerened about landing with all of the other people that are going to be coming down at the same time as me...I did not want to hurt anyone or do a low turn to avoid someone...so I left and decided I need to think this over..I really need a big open space to land in...I do not need to learn to fly this canopy in a area where everyone lands at the same time as me......I feel like a student under a fast canopy...my freefall skills Im proud to say are fine Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites freebird 0 #16 July 7, 2002 I was there.I just was concerened about landing with all of the other people that are going to be coming down at the same time as me...I did not want to hurt anyone or do a low turn to avoid someone...so I left and decided I need to think this over..I really need a big open space to land in...I do not need to learn to fly this canopy in a area where everyone lands at the same time as me......I feel like a student under a fast canopy...my freefall skills Im proud to say are fine Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites freebird 0 #17 July 7, 2002 Someone asked about my wing load....it is about .9 I weigh around 105lbs. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Hooknswoop 19 #18 July 7, 2002 Hey hun, Don't give up on yourself or the canopy yet. Trust me on this, cause I had to do it when I moved up here, where it felt like I downsized 2 sizes. I was about to upsize until I forced myself to do hop-n-pops now I wouldn't give up my little sunshine for anything. PM me if you want to talk canopies and flying them. I was where you are just a year ago, hating being under canopy and thinking I would never get the landings down. Kelli Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Hooknswoop 19 #19 July 7, 2002 PM skycat not hooknswoop this is Kelli and I can't get Derek's account to go away. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites KATO33 0 #20 July 8, 2002 QuoteDo you want to know how I was able to handle my crossfire? Hop-n-pops, I know they can be scary at first getting out low and by yourself. But after the 1st one you laugh at yourself for being scared about getting out low, plus 4-5K isn't that low. Then all you have to think about is yourself, there is no one else in the air with you, you can concentrate on your pattern the wind do lots of practice flares, and just feel out the canopy. Do 5 hop-n-pop in a row and I promise you that if nothing else you will have learned more about the canopy and weather or not it is or isn't for you. This sounds like a very good Idea to me Blue Skies Black Death Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Deleted 0 #21 July 8, 2002 QuoteQuoteDo you want to know how I was able to handle my crossfire? Hop-n-pops, I know they can be scary at first getting out low and by yourself. But after the 1st one you laugh at yourself for being scared about getting out low, plus 4-5K isn't that low. Then all you have to think about is yourself, there is no one else in the air with you, you can concentrate on your pattern the wind do lots of practice flares, and just feel out the canopy. Do 5 hop-n-pop in a row and I promise you that if nothing else you will have learned more about the canopy and weather or not it is or isn't for you. This sounds like a very good Idea to me Yes, but as I did this weekend on my Sabre 135 (not a 2), do 'em from up high. Really put the canopy through its paces. Wring it out. It's just not possible to do that at low altitudes. My 2 jumps this weekend were from 8,500 and 10,500, but both had deployment started by 8 grand, for time to play before the ground became a VERY important factor. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AggieDave 6 #22 July 8, 2002 Derek, dude, what happened to your voice? Damn, that high altitude living has been rough on ya, huh? I'll be damned if you don't sound like that little skykitty... hehe--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,090 #23 July 8, 2002 >Have you flown a Tri? Personally, I would much, MUCH, rather have >a Sabre2 any day of the week then a Tri. I would too, but I would also recommend a Triathalon over most other canopies to someone who was uncertain of their canopy control skills. I've jumped Tris from 120 to 220 square feet, and they are about as forgiving as a canopy gets. (Larger are more forgiving of course.) It will not give you as good a flare as a Sabre2 when flown correctly, but will give you a much better landing when you make a mistake. >My personal opinion is that they're not the canopy that does > everything, they're the canopy that does nothing well at all . . . I think they perform pretty well, given their limitations (i.e. they are not swooping canopies.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AggieDave 6 #24 July 8, 2002 Bill, I sort of agree with you, but I would recommend a Spectre before a Tri, I guess it gets down to the fact that I really don't like that canopy...*shrug* But then again, you have much more knowledge and experience then I do, so I would tend to believe you before me. --"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ojf1982 0 #25 July 8, 2002 Freebird, how much are you selling your Sabre2 for? I might be interested.The edge ... there is no honest way to explain it because the only people who know where it is are those that have gone over - Hunter S. Thompson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 1 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. 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bbarnhouse 0 #6 July 7, 2002 I just purchased a new Sabre2 120 and absolutely love it! My prioir canopy was a Triathalon 150. My wing loading on the Trialthalon was .9 so there wasn't much forward speed, and the flare was always a hard one. I was always on the front risers to gain speed to land and that in itself was a chore. It was also a longer canopy ride. The nice thing about the Tri is that it is a more "forgiving", conservative canopy. I suggest that you demo one before making the decision to give up on your Sabre2. Hope this is helpful to you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deleted 0 #7 July 7, 2002 AAARRRGGGHHHH!!!! Why, oh why do I have to be broke all the time???? I'd buy that Sabre2 from you in a heartbeat. Would replace my Sabre 135 real nicely! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fasterfaller 0 #8 July 7, 2002 Why not get some help from a coach that has a lot of skill in canopy control . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rgoper 0 #9 July 7, 2002 QuoteWhy not get some help from a coach that has a lot of skill in canopy control . she did ask, it's my fault, i had a member of my immediate family in medical distress and couldn't make it, but she did ask. free, can you make it tomorrow? pm me. the bad thing about selling your canopy, is it's now not worth maybe 2/3rds of what you paid for it, and if you buy another new one, 8-10 weeks, and more $$$. i apologize.--Richard-- "We Will Not Be Shaken By Thugs, And Terroist" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cloud9 0 #10 July 7, 2002 Quotea Tri. My personal opinion is that they're not the canopy that does everything, they're the canopy that does nothing well at all, Wow I'm really surprised by this statement. I guess that's why they make so many different canopies. I jumped a Triathlon 175 for about 100 jumps and really loved the canopy. Some of the things I thought it did really well. Openings were great, soft on heading. I could not bowtie this canopy I could pull toggles all the way down it would stall and just kind of shutter. It had turns as fast or faster then a Sabre. It was very easy to land. There was no two stage type flare. The canopy really did not want to surf. So all I had to do was flare at about 10 ft and it would set me down for nice soft standups most of the time. It handles turbulence very well. It was also very easy to pack. What I didn't like about it. It didn't like to surf! I certainly would not tell someone to sell their new canopy and buy another. But I would highly recomend the triathlon for a newer jumper, or someone that just does not want the surf type landings. In fact my wife will be starting Aff in the fall and her first canopy off student status will be a Triathlon. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bodypilot90 0 #11 July 7, 2002 I would demo a spectre, but I would get someone to video my landings and get some coaching b4 I dumped the canopy enless you were in danger of bring injured. I have 20 or so tri jumps always seem to be a good canopy just think the spectre is a bit better. However the tri can be ez to pack Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Slappie 9 #12 July 7, 2002 QuoteWhat I didn't like about it. It didn't like to surf! That is sooooo un-American!! hehe freebird.. don't sell it. I was at Waller yesterday and would have helped ya out some, but I didn't see you. Yesterday was a no-wing to very very light wind day. On a breezy day you'll see it is much easier to fly and land. I do agree with some of the others specialy sktbytch you need to demo a Spectre. I flew one and loved my opening and the landings. I unlike cloud9 like the surf and the Spectre had none. So maybe a demo is in order. "Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have found out the exact measure of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freebird 0 #13 July 7, 2002 Hey dude No worries I sent you a pm about the Sabre 2. Im spending Sunday with my 7 year old daughterRead my pm and we can decide what to do.......Don't worry about Sat. Talk to you later, Tiff Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tkhayes 348 #14 July 7, 2002 then buy a Spectre, not a Triathlon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freebird 0 #15 July 7, 2002 I was there.I just was concerened about landing with all of the other people that are going to be coming down at the same time as me...I did not want to hurt anyone or do a low turn to avoid someone...so I left and decided I need to think this over..I really need a big open space to land in...I do not need to learn to fly this canopy in a area where everyone lands at the same time as me......I feel like a student under a fast canopy...my freefall skills Im proud to say are fine Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freebird 0 #16 July 7, 2002 I was there.I just was concerened about landing with all of the other people that are going to be coming down at the same time as me...I did not want to hurt anyone or do a low turn to avoid someone...so I left and decided I need to think this over..I really need a big open space to land in...I do not need to learn to fly this canopy in a area where everyone lands at the same time as me......I feel like a student under a fast canopy...my freefall skills Im proud to say are fine Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freebird 0 #17 July 7, 2002 Someone asked about my wing load....it is about .9 I weigh around 105lbs. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hooknswoop 19 #18 July 7, 2002 Hey hun, Don't give up on yourself or the canopy yet. Trust me on this, cause I had to do it when I moved up here, where it felt like I downsized 2 sizes. I was about to upsize until I forced myself to do hop-n-pops now I wouldn't give up my little sunshine for anything. PM me if you want to talk canopies and flying them. I was where you are just a year ago, hating being under canopy and thinking I would never get the landings down. Kelli Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hooknswoop 19 #19 July 7, 2002 PM skycat not hooknswoop this is Kelli and I can't get Derek's account to go away. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KATO33 0 #20 July 8, 2002 QuoteDo you want to know how I was able to handle my crossfire? Hop-n-pops, I know they can be scary at first getting out low and by yourself. But after the 1st one you laugh at yourself for being scared about getting out low, plus 4-5K isn't that low. Then all you have to think about is yourself, there is no one else in the air with you, you can concentrate on your pattern the wind do lots of practice flares, and just feel out the canopy. Do 5 hop-n-pop in a row and I promise you that if nothing else you will have learned more about the canopy and weather or not it is or isn't for you. This sounds like a very good Idea to me Blue Skies Black Death Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deleted 0 #21 July 8, 2002 QuoteQuoteDo you want to know how I was able to handle my crossfire? Hop-n-pops, I know they can be scary at first getting out low and by yourself. But after the 1st one you laugh at yourself for being scared about getting out low, plus 4-5K isn't that low. Then all you have to think about is yourself, there is no one else in the air with you, you can concentrate on your pattern the wind do lots of practice flares, and just feel out the canopy. Do 5 hop-n-pop in a row and I promise you that if nothing else you will have learned more about the canopy and weather or not it is or isn't for you. This sounds like a very good Idea to me Yes, but as I did this weekend on my Sabre 135 (not a 2), do 'em from up high. Really put the canopy through its paces. Wring it out. It's just not possible to do that at low altitudes. My 2 jumps this weekend were from 8,500 and 10,500, but both had deployment started by 8 grand, for time to play before the ground became a VERY important factor. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #22 July 8, 2002 Derek, dude, what happened to your voice? Damn, that high altitude living has been rough on ya, huh? I'll be damned if you don't sound like that little skykitty... hehe--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,090 #23 July 8, 2002 >Have you flown a Tri? Personally, I would much, MUCH, rather have >a Sabre2 any day of the week then a Tri. I would too, but I would also recommend a Triathalon over most other canopies to someone who was uncertain of their canopy control skills. I've jumped Tris from 120 to 220 square feet, and they are about as forgiving as a canopy gets. (Larger are more forgiving of course.) It will not give you as good a flare as a Sabre2 when flown correctly, but will give you a much better landing when you make a mistake. >My personal opinion is that they're not the canopy that does > everything, they're the canopy that does nothing well at all . . . I think they perform pretty well, given their limitations (i.e. they are not swooping canopies.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #24 July 8, 2002 Bill, I sort of agree with you, but I would recommend a Spectre before a Tri, I guess it gets down to the fact that I really don't like that canopy...*shrug* But then again, you have much more knowledge and experience then I do, so I would tend to believe you before me. --"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ojf1982 0 #25 July 8, 2002 Freebird, how much are you selling your Sabre2 for? I might be interested.The edge ... there is no honest way to explain it because the only people who know where it is are those that have gone over - Hunter S. Thompson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
