Appeasing atheists

[DickMcMahon 0]

How about inserting the word "possibly"
just before the words "under God" in
the Pledge of Allegiance?

[freeflir29 0]

Yeah!! What do the PC weenies have to say about that?

[scottbre 0]

Or what about, "...under God, unless that really isn't your thing." ?


BTW, What happened to all the neat little icons that we could label our posts with? Are they gone for good?

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[hobbes4star 0]

ya i know why don't we take all the godless heathens and beat them to death right.

if fun were easy it wouldn't be worth having, right?

[gemini 0]

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...inserting the word "possibly"
just before the words "under God" ....

How about:

{Today for} I {may change my mind tomorrow} pledge {but without belief or conviction} allegiance to {perhaps} the flag of the United States of America {although I reserve the right to change my mind later}, and to the Republic {which doesn't mean anything to me}, for which it stands {but may vary from my personal stand]; one nation {sometimes as long as my guy is in office}, under {possibly} God {if he exists or any other diety or non-diety as dictated by the current moral climate}, indivisable {do I have to repeat myself? Only as long as I get my way!}, with liberty {unless I am included in a defined group that gets special treatment above all others} and justice {but only in proportion to my groups population ratio} for all.

Blue skies,

Jim

[TomAiello 26]

Hey Dick,

This is really off topic, but, do you know where I could get my hands on a copy of the Risk Homeostasis paper (by Vic Napier) that you talk about on your web site?

-- Tom Aiello

Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com
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[Sebazz1 2]

The following is an actual question given on a University Of Washington chemistry mid term. The answer by one student was so "profound" that the professor shared it with colleagues, via the Internet, which is, of course, why we now have the pleasure of enjoying it as well.

BONUS QUESTION: Is hell exothermic (gives off heat)or endothermic absorbs heat)?

Most of the students wrote proofs of their beliefs using Boyle's Law, (gas cools off when it expands and heats up when it is compressed) or some variant. One student, however, wrote the following:

First, we need to know how the mass of Hell is changing in time. So, we need to know the rate that souls are moving into Hell and the rate they are leaving. I think that we can safely assume that once a soul goes to Hell, it will not leave. Therefore, no souls are leaving.
As for how many souls entering Hell, let's look at the different religions that exist in the world today. Some of these religions state that if you are not a member of their religion, you will go to Hell.
Since there are more than one of these religions and since people do not belong to more than one religion, we can project that all souls go to Hell.
With death and birth rates as they are, we can expect the number of souls in Hell to increase exponentially. Now, we look at the rate of change of the volume in Hell because Boyle's Law states that in order for the temperature and pressure in Hell to stay the same, the volume of Hell has to expand proportionately as souls are added.
This gives two possibilities:

1. If Hell is expanding at a slower rate than the rate at which souls enter Hell, then the temperature and pressure in Hell will increase until all Hell breaks loose.

2. If Hell is expanding at a rate faster than the increase of souls in
Hell, then the Temperature and pressure will drop until Hell freezes over.
So, which is it?
If we accept the postulate given to me by Teresa during my Freshman year, that "it will be a cold day in Hell before I sleep with you," and take into account the fact that I still have not succeeded in having sexual relations with her, then, #2 cannot be true, and thus I am sure that Hell is exothermic and will not freeze.
The student received the only "A" given.

[Sinkster 0]

You know what the problem today is? Not just in commerce but in the world of ideas too our age is putting on a veritable clearance sale. Everything can be had so dirt cheap that one begins to wonder whether in the end anyone will want to make a bid. (Kierkegaard
I think this sums up the idea:

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I {may change my mind tomorrow} ... {but without belief or conviction}... {which doesn't mean anything to me}... as dictated by the current... climate

Is anyone else sickened by this?

[DickMcMahon 0]

Tom: I'm at work right now and the information
you want about risk homeostasis is at home. I'll
post the information you need after I get off work.

Dick

[pilotdave 0]

I am not an atheist, and I am all for removing "under god." I think it should be taken off our money and out of official government ceremonies too. In my opinion, it just doesn't belong. I didn't read the other thread(s) about this, so this may have been posted already, but have you actually read the history of the pledge? http://www.aclu.org/news/move/pledgeorigin.html

To summarize: The pledge was written originally as "I pledge allegiance to my flag and to the Republic for which it stands -- one nation indivisible -- with liberty and justice for all" in 1892. No mention of god until it was added in 1954 "at the urging of the Knights of Columbus." Very interesting article.

I've seen tons of people interviewed on TV about how the pledge is a part of our heritage and yackety shmackety... turns out they're pretty much just wrong.

Oh, just to clarify, I'm not a PC weeny. Just a regular one.

Dave

[james1010 0]

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I am not an atheist, and I am all for removing "under god." I think it should be taken off our money and out of official government ceremonies too.

I agree, I'm definately not an atheist either, however it's sadly realistic that we aren't 'one nation under God', nor do we as a country trust in God, so why recite or print blatant lies . . . be honest and remove 'em.

my two cents,
James

[trfenwyd 0]

Why don't we just remove the pledge entirely? It's not like the kids have any idea what it means let alone they believe or even care. That to me is sad...

in vino veritas-
(there is truth in wine)

[trfenwyd 0]

One more thing...I don't like bringing this up but I do however enjoy complaining.

The U.S. Constitution does not guarantee us the right NOT to be OFFENDED. So if something is offensive, either leave or not participate. It's that simple. Get over it.


Again, that's my $.02

in vino veritas-
(there is truth in wine)

[bbarnhouse 0]

Nor did it promise happiness........only the pursuit of it.

[Sebazz1 2]

I smoked dope with an Episcopalian priest once

[nws01 0]

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I smoked dope with an Episcopalian priest once

Did he try to molest you afterwords?

[freeflir29 0]

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Did he try to molest you afterwords

Thats kinda harsh........it was probably the other way around......

[quade 4]

Actually, you're thinking of the Declaration of Independence.

A fine document, but not something guaranteed in the Consititution.

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[Sebazz1 2]

LMAO@Clay.......
Naw he was a family friend. Way cool dude. He wouldn't respond to any of my advances

[AndyMan 7]

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Actually, you're thinking of the Declaration of Independence.

A fine document, but not something guaranteed in the Consititution.

I make that mistake too, frequently. It's relatively semilar to the preamble in the constitution.

It's surprising similar to the preamble in Canada's constitution, too. Except in Canada, it's "Life, liberty and security of person " - an example of how canada puts the good of the many over the individual, and explains canada's slightly more leftist attitudes.

_Am (former political science major)

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[AggieDave 6]

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It's not like the kids have any idea what it means let alone they believe or even care.

My self and most of my friends growing up are and were very patriotic. Always uncovered for the pledge, a flag passing, raising, lowering, taps, anthem, prayer, etc, for example. I guess we're the minority on stuff like that, though, seemed prevalent in conservative Texas, though. Although, I did grow up in smaller town Texas and things are different in places like that.

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[pilotdave 0]

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So if something is offensive, either leave or not participate. It's that simple.

This is the attitude I've been hearing a lot lately. I completely disagree. If you don't like it, leave? Is this your country to tell anyone else to leave from? Where are the people that don't want the word god in the pledge supposed to go? Back to where those commie foreigners came from? They're just as american as you are (assuming you're american). Telling people to just deal with it when the government is acting in a way they don't agree with is just not the way america works. I can't believe how many people think the idea of removing "under god," which was added less than 50 years ago, is so stupid. Yes, there are more important things to worry about, but that doesn't mean we should just forget about it.

Dave

[jtval 0]

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Why don't we just remove the pledge entirely? It's not like the kids have any idea what it means let alone they believe or even care. That to me is sad...

but then how would we brain wash them into loving our country? NOw I do love america(especially since I have been away from it for so long) but it seems since about ten or 12 years ago(guessing) ppl went from caring about each other to "pursuing personal happiness"
EVEN IN N.Y. I greww up believingin the old (african I think) proverb that . "it takes a community to raise a child" now we couldnt get ppl to agree on the color of sh!t...but ask em to choose the new M&M color and they band together. I honestly believe that ppls prioities are all fukt up
when I go back home now. I go to my parents/siblings houses. I dont go to the nieghbor hood. nobody seems to care who their nieghbor is anymore, they are all locked inside online talking to ppl they dont have to look at! maybe its b/c I have grown up but I dont see anyone outside anymore...that is sickening to me!
everyone likes to bitch about things but nobody likes to get off thier asses to try and change things....
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[ltdiver 3]

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Where are the people that don't want the word god in the pledge supposed to go? Back to where those commie foreigners came from?

Don't you find it unsettling that after 70 years of banning God from their country, Russia is now 'permitting' the belief once again. And at the same time, we as a country, are starting to boot Him out?

ltdiver

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[chickenhawk420 0]

you know, not meaning to step ona soap box, d'oh, but hey i don't say anyting about your (in my view crap) ideas of god so don't attack mine because i don't agree with your divine mentality. Used to hate school assemblies, why? because you HAD to pray (this included having to sit crossed leg, head down and hands together). Of course from an early age i wouldn't but would still get teaches coming over and saying "hands together, head down" then get told off because i would refuse. Religion has no place in school, and no place in politics or buisness (and as money is the centre of buissnes...). I thought america like most modern places has a mixture of different religions but you don't see "under allah" or "under buddha" no just good ol' christianity.

I choose if i want to learn your teachings not you.

Sorry anyone offended but organised religion is truely abismal how bout you keep it personal to your self and enjoy it with like minded people just stop pushing it in peoples faces- you want to live one particular way under gods law, great do it but don't expect me to. If im going to hell it'll be for the right reasons (so if drugs, consensual casual sex and loud disturbing based out music sends me to hell- yippie-ki-ay mf i can't wait.)