I Am Perplexed..........

[rgoper 0]

....to say the least at the remarks of our president on the economy, (he stated that the economy is suffering a "hangover", from the economic boom of the 90's....puke!) stock market and his previous actions as a board member at Harken Energy during the 80's-90's prior to having been elected governor to our "great state" of Texas. i feel no better about having voted for the jackass and his co-hort Richard "Dick" Cheney, once president, and CEO of Halliburton, oil industry giant leader in oilfield services, and supplies. because of my close affiliation to the energy industry, this is embarrassing to me personally as well, to know that people in my industry could be such thieves, cowards, liars, and not even think twice about ruining people's lives with their lies, deceit, and inside trader information. i can say, with sadness i am sorry for what they have done, i now, impatiently await their apology to the people they represent, and i believe they should be personally responsible for the restoration of personal lives that were damaged, distressed or ruined because of the financial distress they have caused these fine upstanding blue collar workers, just trying to make a living, and support their families, and relationships. it makes me as sick to see corporate giants in other sectors in the U.S.A. to try and "cash in" on other's suffering and duress, i just heard over cnn that Playboy (yeah, go hef, you stupid F**K) is courting some of the ladies at Enron to pose for his magazine, what a demeaning project, not only for him, but for the ladies that will no doubt take part in the project, just to make some money.

these are sad times, i am sickened by our politicians conduct, and past activitie(s) their actions have focused on every industry giant in the U.S.A. all you hear is how everyone is being scrutinized and investigated by the S.E.C. which by now is under scrutiny as well because of it's leader (who once was P.C. for a lot of the politicians now under investigation) this scandalous behavior has the potential to bring the economy to it's knees. Wubya, and Cheney, your day is coming, both of you have even condoned “making deals with traitors” re: John Walker Lindh, and to think they gave "Slick Willy" such a hard time about getting a "hummer" in the oval office, at least he wasn't stealing other people's money. i know this posts will bring a mixed review, and different perspectives from other's in the various industries and professions, that's what i want to hear. what is your feelings about our current status in the "White House" i can't believe i voted for the clowns.


“Just Like The Pied Piper, Led Rats Through The Streets, We Dance Like Marionettes, Swaying To The Symphony…..Of Destruction

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--Richard--
"We Will Not Be Shaken By Thugs, And Terroist"

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i voted for gore!

if fun were easy it wouldn't be worth having, right?

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i voted for gore!

are you from florida?

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I am ashamed to know that out president is a fellow Texan. Because of him I too have lost my job, now that the economy has turned crappy.Unemployment is also on the rise,so there again I'm screwed.I'm now very broke and in debt.No more jumping in my future I guess.

Atleast I can take comfort in the fact that I did not put this asshole in office...I voted for Gore!

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Holy run-on sentences Batman!

"pull high! It's lower than you think..."

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Atleast I can take comfort in the fact that I did not put this asshole in office...I voted for Gore!

So your solution is to swap one asshole for another?

[AggieDave 6]

Honestly, though a current president or politician doesn't have the effect on the current economy like most people think. The US's economy is too big to be turned really quickly (think of the turning radius of an aircraft carrier). Clinton wasn't responsible for the economic boom of the late 90s and Bush isn't really responsible for the downturn we're experiencing now. With that said, I'm not trying to say that current presidents have no effect, they do, just not to the extent that people tend to believe. Personally, I think our economy is doing much better then I feared that it would be at 11:30am (central) September 11, 2001. No, we're not to where we should be, but we will be again.

--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."

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Honestly, though a current president or politician doesn't have the effect on the current economy like most people think. The US's economy is too big to be turned really quickly (think of the turning radius of an aircraft carrier).

ok, lets say this is true. then by what merits do we judge a president's performance?

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Clinton wasn't responsible for the economic boom of the late 90s and Bush isn't really responsible for the downturn we're experiencing now.

let's say this is true. then who do we give the credit for the good economy during the clinton administration? alan greenspan?

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With that said, I'm not trying to say that current presidents have no effect, they do, just not to the extent that people tend to believe.

let's say this is true. who is in control then? the citizens of the u.s.a.?

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Personally, I think our economy is doing much better then I feared that it would be at 11:30am (central) September 11, 2001. No, we're not to where we should be, but we will be again.

i hope your right, i sincerely do. but i know there are a bunch of folks out there right now pretty much unsatisfied with the current administration. it's either highly coincidental, or just the "cycle" of economic woes, but the economy always seems to do better when we have a democrat in the oval office. we've just started to scrape the "tip of the iceberg" with all of the economic scandals that our current administration has been involved in, or with. the insuing investigation into halliburton will yield quite a few unsavory results i'm afraid.

and what about making "deals" with traitors? that don't hold water with me, current administration, or previous administration....that's B.S. i'm sorry.

--Richard--
"We Will Not Be Shaken By Thugs, And Terroist"

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let's say this is true. then who do we give the credit for the good economy during the clinton administration? alan greenspan?

In a way, yes we do. Clinton was, and I think that Bush is too, smart enough to leave the economy to the experts. Clinton didn't interfere too much with Alan Greenspan and he and his team did a great job at keeping the economy mostly stable. I'm certainly no expert, but that's the way I see things.

A president is only as good as his cabinet.

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ok, lets say this is true. then by what merits do we judge a president's performance?

If you're only judging a president by how the economy performed during his term, then you're taking a very narrow view. There are many other facters that are considered for determing how successful a president was.

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let's say this is true. then who do we give the credit for the good economy during the clinton administration? alan greenspan?

Big business has more control over the economy then the president does, the president and his administration controls big business. The corporations that have bit it hard (Enron, World Com) started down their choosen path before Bush could have effected them.

I could argue with you that trickle down economics is what gave businesses the boost to get the ball rolling for the boom of the 90s.

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let's say this is true. who is in control then? the citizens of the u.s.a.?

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we've just started to scrape the "tip of the iceberg" with all of the economic scandals that our current administration has been involved in

So the Clinton administration was squeaky clean in their previous business dealings? Whitewater comes to mind.


Do I agree with everything that Bush has done or does? No, but IMHO we are much better off right now with him then we would have been with "I invented the Internet" Al Gore. Personally, knowing what I know of Al Gore and the Democratic stance on the military, I would be scared to death to go into the Marines. At that point I probably would have serisouly reconsidered. That said, I can name you nearly a dozen people that I personally know that got out of the military when Clinton was elected for a second term, due mainly to his and the Democtratic stance on the military.

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alan greenspan?

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In a way, yes we do. Clinton was, and I think that Bush is too, smart enough to leave the economy to the experts. Clinton didn't interfere too much with Alan Greenspan and he and his team did a great job at keeping the economy mostly stable. I'm certainly no expert, but that's the way I see things.

A president is only as good as his cabinet.

jimbo:

i know a "dodge" when i see one! what about the traitor? i don't see anyone expressing their views/opinions on this one. are we afraid to disscuss this? surely not.

i am proud to be an american, but i think were in trouble right now, and unless we do something, i'm afraid we'll fall only deeper into despair. last time i looked, and did some research, it was the american voters who are supposed to be in control, are we?

--Richard--
"We Will Not Be Shaken By Thugs, And Terroist"

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Show me a politician and I will show you a crook . Clinton and Gore were just as bad as Bush they just weren't caught . Most politicians are in the game for the big money deals they can work while in office .They could give a shit less about you and me or any other americans for that matter . I would much rather have Bush than the tax and spend democrats . It does not matter what party is in office they all have the same agenda . They all take money from the same groups and have the same people pulling their control strings .

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it was the american voters who are supposed to be in control, are we

No. Never have been, not really. Well, for the House and Senate we are, not for the president. One of those goofy little clauses, there.

--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."

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know a "dodge" when i see one! what about the traitor? i don't see anyone expressing their views/opinions on this one. are we afraid to disscuss this? surely not.

Seriously, why is that a dodge? The President can't be an expert in everything, most of the time he isn't even an expert in most things. What we, or at least I, expect the President to do is lead. He needs to take the advice of his cabinet and make the best decisions he can based on the information they present to him.

Do you think the President thinks up military strategy on his own? Or is it more likely that he listens to his advisors and makes what he thinks is the best decision.

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i am proud to be an american, but i think were in trouble right now, and unless we do something, i'm afraid we'll fall only deeper into despair. last time i looked, and did some research, it was the american voters who are supposed to be in control, are we?

Of course we're not in total control. The system hasn't allowed that since the beginning. We elect those who we believe will best represent our interests. In this case we elected the President, the House, and the Senate. Our control over these things is exerted at the voting booth.

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it's either highly coincidental, or just the "cycle" of economic woes, but the economy always seems to do better when we have a democrat in the oval office. we've just started to scrape the "tip of the iceberg" with all of the economic scandals that our current administration has been involved in, or with. the insuing investigation into halliburton will yield quite a few unsavory results i'm afraid.

Dude,

I get your point, but you are making way too many assumptions. And don't make it sound like all these corporate crooks just started this shit when the republicans took office.

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I am ashamed to know that out president is a fellow Texan. Because of him I too have lost my job, now that the economy has turned crappy.Unemployment is also on the rise,so there again I'm screwed.I'm now very broke and in debt.No more jumping in my future I guess.

Atleast I can take comfort in the fact that I did not put this asshole in office...I voted for Gore!

What a load of crap. The president isn't responsible for your losing your job. The economy has little to do with him, and more to do with the previous president and 9-11. There is always a lag between the presidents actions and the effect on the economy. Clinton screwed the economy for the next guy, and everyone knew it before the election.

You'll get further in life if you spend your efforts solving your problems, rather than trying to find someone else to blame for them.

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Dude,

I get your point, but you are making way too many assumptions. And don't make it sound like all these corporate crooks just started this shit when the republicans took office.***

i'm not trying to make any "points" here, merely trying to get other's views/opinions on the matters i've made notice of. as i said at the outset of this posts, i knew well in advance that it would draw mixed reviews/opinions, so we should all think about these things, as they do adversely affect each, and everyone of our daily lives. these are matters that are dominating the morning news, the midday news, cnn, want me to go on? don't get me wrong, i voted for them, as did i his father, i'm just regretting it right now is all.

--Richard--
"We Will Not Be Shaken By Thugs, And Terroist"

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I would much rather have Bush than the tax and spend democrats .

Maybe I'm displaying my own ignorance here, but didn't the last group of tax and spend democrats have a balanced budget? Last I checked the don't tax and don't spend republicans in this administration had created a 100 and something billion dollar deficit.

No, I don't have a strong allegiance to either party, I vote for the candidate with the best platform.

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I would much rather have Bush than the tax and spend democrats .

as would i.

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Maybe I'm displaying my own ignorance here, but didn't the last group of tax and spend democrats have a balanced budget? Last I checked the don't tax and don't spend republicans in this administration had created a 100 and something billion dollar deficit.

the democrats had over a billion dollar surplus, in addition to an overbalanced budget. stock market was steady on the incline curve, most of his (clinton's) administration.

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No, I don't have a strong allegiance to either party, I vote for the candidate with the best platform.

as do i, just got burned this time. but i'm from texas, and have an allegiance to texan politicians, i'm rethinking this even as we speak. my father was a "yellow dog democrat" but i don't buy into that theory. big money is what buys the opinions and actions of our governing bodie(s) it's time to shut that B.S. down.

and where do we get off plea barganing a "turncoat/traitor" who was putting our boys in the sights of his russian made ak-47? back in the civil war days, they instantly hung/shot/eradicated all insubordinates, this fellow should be no different. he HAD to have some information to give them in exchange for his plea bargain. i've just got the red-ass for "turn coats" sorry.

--Richard--
"We Will Not Be Shaken By Thugs, And Terroist"

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where do we get off plea barganing a "turncoat/traitor" who was putting our boys in the sights of his russian made ak-47?

God, I'm with you on this one...what I would give to have that asshole lined up in my trijicons...

--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."

[ifallout 0]

"ok, lets say this is true. then by what merits do we judge a president's performance? "

Forigen policy, where he can and does make a difference, that is his job afterall, not the economy, I wonder more why we think it is, Congress is who spends the money and makes the rules.

"Clinton wasn't responsible for the economic boom of the late 90s and Bush isn't really responsible for the downturn we're experiencing now."

There is no one person, just because you can't say who it is, is not a reason to say it is the President

"let's say this is true. who is in control then? the citizens of the u.s.a.? "

Spending has a far bigger effect than anything the president does.. so yeah

"i hope your right, i sincerely do. but i know there are a bunch of folks out there right now pretty much unsatisfied with the current administration. it's either highly coincidental, or just the "cycle" of economic woes, but the economy always seems to do better when we have a democrat in the oval office. "

Yeah Jimmy Carter had a great economy going for him.

"and what about making "deals" with traitors? that don't hold water with me, current administration, or previous administration....that's B.S. i'm sorry.

I agree completely, that is why Jane Fonda pisses me off, wait isn't she a democrat...

just playing, don't get pissed, but the truth is that we keep putting people in office over and over no matter how bad they fuck up... on both sides

Bill

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the economy always seems to do better when we have a democrat in the oval office

ROFL...Dude, it's fun for now, but that Crack you're smoking will take its toll!

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Rich I am impressed. I wish more people would see around all the BS.

Most republicans (even if they are below the poverty line) tend to support his BS anyway, and or say something ignorant like ,'well do you think Gore would do a better job?' (which has nothing to do with anything especially when comparing an idiot to a crook)
Everyone should realize that democrats and republicans both cater to corporate lobbying more than citizen interests. It is only when large segments of the population get pissed off that anything positive gets done (see civil rights movements, suffrage and organized labor) (shit Clinton got Nafta pushed through when the republicans tried and failed and the only people it benifits are executives)

How about Neal Bush... advising the Argentinian govt (once the poster child of the IMF) that "The Bush administration (sr.) would really appreciate it if a large natural gas pipeline were sold to Enron at rates below the highest bidders"

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No, I don't have a strong allegiance to either party, I vote for the candidate with the best platform.

platform......."read my lips..no more taxes" G. B. Sr.

(note he was head of the CIA during the Iran contra scandal and ducked all of it, you can trust him)

'Medicare, medicade, the environment and education', B Clinton (and let me push Nafta through also)

"Revolution is an abrupt change in the form of misgovernment.", Ambrose Bierce.