sangiro 26 #1 July 21, 2002 Sad news again... the bomber involved in the near miss with a skydiver a while ago has gone down Sincere condolences to the family and friends of the pilots. Safe swoops Sangiro Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
f1freak 0 #2 July 21, 2002 Is this the one that went in a few days ago? condolences to all involved..HAVE FUN... ...JUST DONT DIE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
narcimund 0 #3 July 21, 2002 Wow. That brings all sorts of possible questions and connections to mind. First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WFFC 1 #4 July 21, 2002 Hawkins & Powers Aviation had two planes with the same paint scheme (#123http://www.hawkinsandpowers.com/images/Fixed/yellowbird.jpg & #126http://www.hawkinsandpowers.com/images/Fixed/t126fly.jpg) These people put themselves into danger everytime they takeoff, possibly even more so than we do. Condolences to the families of the crew. We all appreciate what you do. Michael Webmaster Michael@Freefall.com btw - one of the Sikorky helo's is currently base out of the DZ's airport - Thanks to the crew for the tour at the end of their day.----- ~~~Michael Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Viking 0 #5 July 21, 2002 am i the only one that is worried about that Slurry being corrosive.I swear you must have footprints on the back of your helmet - chicagoskydiver My God has a bigger dick than your god -George Carlin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cornholio 0 #6 July 21, 2002 Is this related to the other fire-fighting plane whose wings fell off a few weeks ago ? Are they the same plane ? Butthead: Whoa! Burritos for breakfast! Beavis: Yeah! Yeah! Cool! bellyflier on the dz.com hybrid record jump Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Iflyme 0 #7 July 21, 2002 Sad news ... the men and women who fly firefighting planes are true heros ... a decade and a half ago, several planes battled a forest fire not more than a couple of kilometres from where I live. There are high voltage powerlines running thru the centre of the blaze... we were so impressed with their flying skills! The "Martin Mars Bombers", the largest water bombers in the world are situated here on Vancouver Island ... now owned and operated by a logging company. http://www.martinmars.com/ They are an incredible sight in the air as the release their load. My condolences go out to all the dedicated firefighters who have lost loved ones this fire season. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cloudseeker2001 0 #8 July 21, 2002 i am no expert, but maybe a 50 year old WWII bomber cannot take the stress associated with dive bombing a forrest fire. it seems the heat alone would put much stress on the frame. something must be happening here, 2 planes from the same company losing its wings in flight. "Some call it heavenly in it's brilliance, others mean and rueful of the western dream" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndyMan 7 #9 July 21, 2002 I had absolutely no idea these bombers were still being used in active duty. I would've thought they would've been long ago retired to the airshow and museam circuit... Jeeze, I thought WE used old planes... but ours are rarely made before 1960 - at least 20 years newer. _Am__ You put the fun in "funnel" - craichead. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bbarnhouse 0 #10 July 21, 2002 My condolences to the family and friends of the lost crew. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WFFC 1 #11 July 21, 2002 QuoteIs this related to the other fire-fighting plane whose wings fell off a few weeks ago ? Are they the same plane ? Different plane, owned by the same company.----- ~~~Michael Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Derekbox 0 #12 July 22, 2002 First of all, my condolences to the deceased, there family and friends. Second: (ALL) Aircraft are on routine maintence schedules, they are NOT treated like our cars (run till they wont any longer). There are 100 hour inspections (i.e. every 100 hours of use they are inspected), annual inspections, preventivie maintence, AD's, service bulletines, etc. That plane may have been made in the 40s, but in all likely hood it has had more rebuilds, major overhauls and teardowns that you would nto believe. But the fact remains these aircraft are HIGHLY stressed everytime they are put into use. So no matter how much you do, no matter what you do, failures will happen, and they do happen, all the time. Failures are nearly routine (not to scare you) but most aircraft (and ALL that carry passengers for hire) are built with reduntant systems, many 2 or 3. But you dont hear about those failures. But every now and then, that small single failure is or becomes something catastrophic. Did you know the 747 was first flown in 1969? MANY of them still flying are nearly that old. Without major problems and a great safety record I might add. I wouldnt look at the aircraft as much as i would look at this companies inspections/overhaul procedures - but the FAA/NTSB is probably already on top of that. So again, my condolences to the families. The pilots who do this high risk flying, they are heros in my book (they know the risk they face). Derek Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
konradptr 0 #13 July 22, 2002 Yes, that was a different plane than the one that nearly hit me. They grounded all those WWII bombers, now they are limited to a P-3 Orion, and a A-26 light bomber. ------------------------------------------ Getting banned isn't that bad...... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
