Geeks of the world STAND up!!

[lummy 4]

KDE or Gnome or?

I promise not to TP Davis under canopy.. I promise not to TP Davis under canopy.. eat sushi, get smoochieTTK#1

[hohonukai 0]

I'm down with it...Gnome!

[SkyDaemon 0]

KDE on i386
CDE on Sparc
OSX on Mac
"While your computer's crashing mine's multitasking, does all my work without me even asking" --Wierd Al
Use the Source Luke. ;-)

find / -name jumpers -print; cat jumpers $USER > manifest; cd /dev/airplane; more altitude; make jump; cd /pub; more beer;

[PhreeZone 20]

Personally.... KDE. Going to get flamed for this one... but anymore Windows 2000 will keep me happy...

Yesterday is history
And tomorrow is a mystery

Parachutemanuals.com

[Jimbo 0]

I'm with SkyDaemon.

KDE on x86
CDE on Sparc

I've tried before to get KDE and Gnome working on Sparc, it's a hassle and CDE does everything I need it to do.

-
Jim

"Like" - The modern day comma
Good bye, my friends. You are missed.

[AndyMan 7]

Gnome when I can, but usually on XP.

_Am

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You put the fun in "funnel" - craichead.

[MarkM 0]

Used to use Windowmaker, now I use XP.

Yeah, I'm a traitor.

[SkyDaemon 0]

Ack! You windows people are true traitor who take the easy way out. You lose 20 geek points for resorting to windows... which is a sad thing because as skydivers you're already down 50 geek points. At this rate you'll never make the rank of security administrator :-)

find / -name jumpers -print; cat jumpers $USER > manifest; cd /dev/airplane; more altitude; make jump; cd /pub; more beer;

[SkyDaemon 0]

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I've tried before to get KDE and Gnome working on Sparc, it's a hassle and CDE does everything I need it to do.

What OS are you running? Linux or Solaris, NetBSD? Solaris 9 offers some great security features not previously found in Solaris 8. The kernel was radically tuned for performance reasons, ssh is now standard, and the entire OS runs faster on the Sparc platform. This was documented in Sys Admin as well as Network Magazine with benchmarks on Ultra 10 300Mhz SparcIIs.

If you're looking for a way to make KDE or Gnome work on Sparc check the XFree86.org site :-)

-=Raistlin

find / -name jumpers -print; cat jumpers $USER > manifest; cd /dev/airplane; more altitude; make jump; cd /pub; more beer;

[hohonukai 0]

ps -ef | grep more "jumps!"


Still on Solaris 8... Can't wait to try out 9 though!! woohoo!!!!

[SkyDaemon 0]

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Gnome when I can, but usually on XP.

Intuition tells me you're a linux person (versus a FreeBSD purist). If this is the case, the latest Redhat 7.2 distro includes a working binary install of the XFree86 project that has great support for even the most cutting edge of hardware. The operating system includes a great version of linuxconf which allows you to easily reconfigure things. Although if you're familar with unix and want programs to install easily, read up on the FreeBSD "ports tree" and you'll find some truly fascinating opportunities. Beastie and his OS are Free at www.FreeBSD.org :-)

always use tcp_wrappers before you fsck. ;-)

find / -name jumpers -print; cat jumpers $USER > manifest; cd /dev/airplane; more altitude; make jump; cd /pub; more beer;

[SkyDaemon 0]

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ps -ef | grep more "jumps!"

Bad syntax mang... bad syntax
ps auxww | grep jumps | more
;-)

Alright, I'm sorry I had to do it... I'm an egomaniac... but that's to be expected, I use unix. Ever met a tolerable unix guru? I thought not.

At any rate, check out Solaris 9, its great, if you want a sparc copy you can get it after signing the damn Solaris agreement a good 100 times before they let your download it. Its the same trick they're using to essentially kill Java. Making you agree to their damn licensing codes... Bastards.

SELECT * FROM skydivers WHERE clue > 0;
0 rows returned.

-=Raistlin

find / -name jumpers -print; cat jumpers $USER > manifest; cd /dev/airplane; more altitude; make jump; cd /pub; more beer;

[TomAiello 26]

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You lose 20 geek points for resorting to windows... which is a sad thing because as skydivers you're already down 50 geek points. At this rate you'll never make the rank of security administrator :-)

I just read your profile, and you, SkyDaemon, earn 50 bonus geek points just for your name.

How's Caramon?

-- Tom Aiello

Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com
SnakeRiverBASE.com

[hohonukai 0]

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SELECT * FROM skydivers WHERE clue > 0;
0 rows returned.

ouch! ego is smeared.

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Bad syntax mang... bad syntax

hey, I'm drinkin'. I really do work with Solaris everyday. Ah, that's alright. School me! I don't have an ego. I learn everyday from egomaniacs like you! That is a compliment, btw, to a unix guru.

[SkyDaemon 0]

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I just read your profile, and you, SkyDaemon, earn 50 bonus geek points just for your name. How's Caramon?

Caramon is dead. Although Margeret Weis (an aquantience) loves the name, Caramon was never very deep, and therefore relatively dull. Although he would be more likely to skydive.

Skydiving is a beautiful form of relaxation which keeps one from going insane from work and other hobbies. I can't think about code in FF, although I'll be damned if I haven't tried.

#include

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[SkyDaemon 0]

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hey, I'm drinkin'. I really do work with Solaris everyday. Ah, that's alright. School me! I don't have an ego. I learn everyday from egomaniacs like you! That is a compliment, btw, to a unix guru.

Everyone has something to learn from someone who knows more and everyone has something to teach to someone who knows less. The key is to seek mentorship when you're ready and to only advise when the student seeks your advice. Knowledge is obtained through experience and programming and system administration are learned through trial and error. Soon one finds themselves stumped on a problem that requires days of work before consulting an expert and either learning some key syntax or some serious theory at which point the novice has paid some real dues and graduates into a new level of knowledge. Always know and respect a mentor smarter than you, and always be willing to mentor an enthusiastic student. Never boast obnoxiously to those who try, only those who claim equal expertise without the knowledge or experience to back it up. ;-)

You're exactly right about learning from gurus. I was fortunate enough to inherit a couple of key unix gurus in my life, I consult when I hit a brick wall. Typically I learn about the problems in the core OS bits and get a lesson in a part of the OS source I wouldn't have been able to teach myself for a long time.

Although now I'm at a point where if I have a problem with the OS source I need to start fixing it myself. That's the problem with free software, you don't get to complain to the manufacturer, you don't get to call for support, it's your job to help the project. Its a really neat oppportunity and privelege the open source world provides. Now to figure out these damn stable bits...

But seriously, its great that you're learning. What do you use? What's your take on the OS?

C code.
C code run.
run code, run.
please?

-=Raistlin

find / -name jumpers -print; cat jumpers $USER > manifest; cd /dev/airplane; more altitude; make jump; cd /pub; more beer;

[indyz 1]

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KDE or Gnome or?

I'm a little late getting in on this, but I'll go with "or." I use Fluxbox which is a branch of Blackbox. Both are described as "minimalistic," but once you use them for a while you realize that they still have plenty of features, are easy and efficient to use, and have none of the bloat of Gnome and KDE.

[Zennie 0]

Gnome on dual 19" flat panels.

- Z
"Always be yourself... unless you suck." - Joss Whedon

[bbarnhouse 0]

*sigh* Its all geek to me!
thank goodness Lummy is a digitari and fixes my puter when it doesn't like what I feed it!!

[hohonukai 0]

I completely agree with finding a mentor, and with so many other thoughts you listed in your last post. I don't want to be extravagant with a relatively large quote (the entire post), so I'm just going to say a big RIGHT ON and it's a good read for other geeks (regardless of their level of knowledge).
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I use Solaris 8 and 2.6 at work. We also have SGI boxes and I've used a little IRIX. I've played around with Red Hat 7.1 and Mandrake (8?). And I really dig Ximian Gnome. My main source of learning came from installing Solaris 8, Veritas Volume Manager, and Veritas NetBackup 4.5 to configure a new backup server (E250). That was a really good learning experience. I feel spoiled, since we do have support with both Sun and Veritas (even though Veritas support isn't all that from what I've experienced).

So, as far as free software goes and no support, you are very talented to be able to do it. I tried setting up Apache one time at home on a Sun Netra T1, using Solaris 8, but I became frustrated with my cable modem connection. Everytime I rebooted, my server lost its ip config. And I know I had my hosts file, resolv.conf, nsswitch.conf, hostname.hme0, and defaultrouter set up. And even though the cable modem company delivers dhcp, the ip doesn't change for a good six months. I'm sure the right config is out posted on the net. But I want to jump on the weekends!

How long have you been using unix?

[SkyDaemon 0]

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How long have you been using unix?

You get to play with Sun Enterprise machines? ACK! I'm jealous. A skydiver who uses RISC? (I recongize that was an awful pun, but it was too easy.) I just got my first sun recently, I couldn't afford one, until I started seeing the RIP dot coms selling their assets on ebay. It was then, I realized I can have a sun :-) I now sport a Sun Ultra 10, 300Mhz SparcII. I love it, with Solaris 9.

I started my "computer" life with the Tektronix 4051. It was an old beast that used magnetic tapes and weighed about as much as I did at the time. Although as time went on, I learned more and more about "computers", and finally figured I'd stake my claim in the world as a hacker/programmer. So I installed unix... well I tried to install unix. A few months later, I was able to compile C on my first unix machine. I loved it, I couldn't do a thing and everyone around me was proclaiming the ease and hype of microsoft (cheap bastards, taking the easy way out!) As time went on, I learned more about the ksh on ATT, and csh on BSD, and became pretty good. I was now at a point I could ask intelligent questions, but it took a lot of late nights, a lot of reading tech manuals, man pages, and keeping the case lid off the computer. Now I'm having a great time with the OS, and want to contribute to it. Un/fortunately as you stated before jumping gets in the way. :-)

How about yourself?

This message was created with 100% recycled electrons

find / -name jumpers -print; cat jumpers $USER > manifest; cd /dev/airplane; more altitude; make jump; cd /pub; more beer;

[hohonukai 0]

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A skydiver who uses RISC?

hehehe.

Yea, ebay's the way to go. I don't own that Sun Netra, I just get to borrow it. I was a little concerned with a $10k machine sitting in my apartment though, so I brought back to work and still use it (aka try to crash it )

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I started my "computer" life with the Tektronix 4051.

Wow. The first pc I used was a Commodore 64. I've only been using unix for the last 3 years. I think the earliest language I learned was Pascal. And the first file and print server was a Novell 3.12.

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but it took a lot of late nights, a lot of reading tech manuals, man pages, and keeping the case lid off the computer.

Yes, it does. You are very committed! Kudos! I'd like to learn more about scripting. It just takes time. You must be a very patient geek.

[lummy 4]

Apple IIe for me. Programmed my first game in HEX for that. My first programming experience was with LOGO (also on the apple). Let's see, first owned computer was a 286 with 4 megs of RAM and a 40 meg hard drive, oh and Monochrome (amber ) monitor.

I promise not to TP Davis under canopy.. I promise not to TP Davis under canopy.. eat sushi, get smoochieTTK#1

[nws01 0]

I got my computer with the Chrome Hardware and it has the G.I. Joe Accessory with the Kung Fu Grip!

[hohonukai 0]

You know I just bought this tank top that says "SMac OS" with a little Mac icon on it. It was either that or the "Crap OS" with the little Mac icon. What the hell does the "i" stand for? iDisk, iChat, hehe. Actually, I tried to help a friend learn the Mac OS, he just bought a new system. I suck at navigating in Mac. Guess I need to play around with one for awhile.