Shark 0 #51 August 11, 2002 Dude, I was wondering when you were going to chime in... Quotehowever, in my 5-day-a-week job as a post-production supervisor for a very large media company (which also owns ESPN BTW) I deal with rights issues -ALL- the time. Is Mickey Mouse the CEO? And is he under investigation by the Feds? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chief 0 #52 August 11, 2002 Hi Jak: I remember when I met you at Perris Valley (Jan 02) you impressed me as an honorable man. You may recall, I arrived from Cleveland and the airline gremlims kept my rig, log book and license. You made me feel welcome and showed taking care of jumpers took precedent over profit. No doubt that was the same motivation you had in allowing ESPN take up everyones' day for free. Thanks for giving your side. Bill Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JakGramley 2 #53 August 11, 2002 Bill - Glad we could make you feel at home. That's our goal. Hopefully you will come back and see us again. Coming back for the Jack, Off to Perris Boogie this January? If so, let me know and we'll take care of you. Jack Gramley Computer Consultant Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mouth 0 #54 August 11, 2002 Jack....sorry if I was too lazy to scroll all the way back to Michele's original thread to post this. It was bad enough that I had to read through all of it! I am not going to get into the arguement of who is right or wrong here. (I know none of you can believe that but for once I'm staying out of the crap! ) ALL I want to say is: Congrats Michele....I'm sure you did a wonderful job and I am proud of you. Lisa -- Hot Mama At least you know where you stand even if it is in a pile of shit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Iflyme 0 #55 August 12, 2002 Quoteanother posterIs that what I've been reduced to? "Another poster" ??? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Iflyme 0 #56 August 12, 2002 Just a thought to throw into this mix ... how many of you videographers who shoot tandems, etc, do a little edit job for your customer, and add copyrighted music? Are you stealing someone else's work to make a profit for yourselves? The copyright is expressed on the cd you dub from ... but I would be willing to bet that there is not a videographer out there who respects that copyright. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #57 August 12, 2002 I remember -something- about two wrongs not making a right. One issue at a time please.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Iflyme 0 #58 August 12, 2002 QuoteOne issue at a time please. The issue is (or became), as you referred to, copyright law. Quotea clear violation of Copyright law. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airgord 1 #59 August 12, 2002 Cameraflyers should NEVER give away their footage, ever!!! Doing so will only make it harder for those of us who make our living from air to air video. Thank you Jack!!! Gordo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #60 August 12, 2002 Yeah, but we're talking about the ESPN issue and who owns the footage. BTW, I agree that what -some- tandem masters do with stealing music -is- wrong. However, if you look at most of the skydivng videos for sale, like "Good Stuff" for instance, you'll see none of those types of issues.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bbarnhouse 0 #61 August 12, 2002 Jack thank you for all of your time and efforts. Michelle thank you for your story and your spirit. Thank you ESPN for helping to perpetuate our sport.....if this story brings just 1 additional skydiver to the fold......I would say that was a job well done by all. To me that is what this should be about. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #62 August 12, 2002 Now I understand why skydiving isn't on tv that much...... Congrats Michele........ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #63 August 12, 2002 QuoteNow I understand why skydiving isn't on tv that much...... This rights issue really doesn't enter into the equation of whether skydiving is profitable or not for TV. The reason skydiving isn't covered on TV as much as say, skateboarding, is because it's not as profitable to the advertisers. Events are covered on TV primarily because of their potential to bring viewers to advertisers. It is generally felt that a person watches the sports that they participate in or can relate to because of previous life experiences. A common saying is that children watch sports and dream of the future, while adults watch soprts and dream of the past. According to the National Safety Council and the Consumer Safety Commission (based upon data from 1996) Sport Participants Baseball 36,600,000 Basketball 29,600,000 Football 14,700,000 Ice Hockey 1,700,000 Soccer 10,300,000 Volleyball 20,500,000 Skateboarding 6,200,000 Skydiving 35,000 The math is pretty simple.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bbarnhouse 0 #64 August 12, 2002 Interesting...... Synchronized Swimming has 10,000 members,and is an Olympic sport. Granted one doesn't see it on tv much either. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #65 August 12, 2002 Ah, but the logic of that one is a little easier to understand if you take into account the number of people that swim. I'm guessing that would be roughly analogous to to the percentage of people that skysurf v. skydive.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rdutch 0 #66 August 12, 2002 We have a videographer at my Dz his name is Gus WIng. Some of you might have heard of him. But Gus owns a copyright to all his video and he has a SAG card. He pays dues and paid for his copyright. This is all a bunch of legal mumbo jumbo but it helps in this subject. Gus always informs his customers that this video is for private viewing and any sales must be made through him. This solves all future problems that might come up. Im sure Joe Jennings has the same deal. But this might help any videographer who is concerned with someone making money from his work. Ray Ray Small and fast what every girl dreams of! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites