I've had a bad day

[skydiverchick 0]

I need support. I feel my love of flying going out the window.

I'm taking flight lesson through sporty's and U of Cincinnati. There is there is this Head flight instuctor there that has it in for any woman in aviation. I had a flight review with him so I could get an ok for my check ride. He mind f*cked me on every question he asked me tried to confuse and told me that I was lazy and wasn't prepared for the ground portion. He told he was gonna walk out on me.

I got frustrated and there was no saving it. He was gonna fail me so I walked away. I went back to get my stuff and he started in on me. He wouldn't let up and after an hour of holding my tounge I let him have it.

Now I'm screwed. I don't know what to do and I let him win.

Sorry I know this is long but i needed to vent.

Mother Hen

[MrHixxx 0]

Time to tell his boss how much money you are going to go spend at another flight school, cause he's a dick...
Buck up Buttercup, you just need to find an instructor who is right for your learning style and secure around women...

-Hixxx

death,as men call him, ends what they call men
-but beauty is more now than dying’s when

[Shark 0]

Sorry to hear that. Hope all works out. If not, offer him a tandem skydive and.....

Never mind.

[SBS 0]

You didn't let him win...the game isn't over.

I would go to his superior and explain the situation. Don't get discouraged...there are lots of people who you can get your instruction from...he can't take your hours away, having to get out of there and continue your training somewhere else, while frustrating, should not really hold you back any...if he has it out for you, it's probably better anyway.

Good luck.

-S

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I'm not conceited...I'm just realistic about my awesomeness...

[skydiverchick 0]

I have a flight instructor that I work well with but I have to deal with this guy to get signed off to take my check ride. He even went as far as to change my instructors earlier this year because of how fast I was going through the program

Mother Hen

[Spy38W 0]

Hey there, flight training can be difficult and frustrating at times, stick with it though. I did a practice check ride with a senior flight instructor before most of my licenses and ratings, and found that they were all tougher than the actual check ride. Thats the point of them, to make sure you are prepared for anything the examiner may put you through. If you feel that the instructor at your school is really an ass and not interested in you passing, it's time to find a new instructor who is. I am positive that you can get your license, I can't wait to fly with you.

PM me if you want

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Hook high, flare on time

[freeflir29 0]

Sounds like my first checkride in the military. Well....all you can do is study up and find another instructor. You certainly don't need to be paying all that money to Sporty's and U of C. Plenty of other flight schools and instructors out there. Don't let it get you down. Just a stumble in a VERY long staircase. Remember where you want to go and it will make it a lot easier to take the steps to get there.

[skydiverchick 0]

I think I might head to Embry Riddle. Its a move but it seems like a good idea.

Mother Hen

[freeflir29 0]

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He even went as far as to change my instructors earlier this year because of how fast I was going through the program

Well..don't take this the wrong way but he may have felt that you were "getting it easy" because you are a cute chick. That really doesn't say anything bad about you...if anything it shows that he has doubts about his instructors integrity. It sounds more to me like he was worried about the instruction you had recived rather than you as a person. Just a possibility.

[skydiverchick 0]

Clay you mean I'm a cute chick...I'm flatered

Mother Hen

[freeflir29 0]

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Clay you mean I'm a cute chick...I'm flatered

Well yes you are!!

[Spy38W 0]

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Clay you mean I'm a cute chick...I'm flatered

Well yes you are!!

Yes, very cute... Heck, I'd probably pass her if she forgot to put the landing gear down..
me: "Eh, it happpens, A+"

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Hook high, flare on time

[harro 0]

Sorry to hear stories like this.

As the saying goes " Money talks, bullshit walks "

Walk up to the owner and tell him how much money this dick has cost him and walk.

Jumpy Jumpy??

[freeflir29 0]

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"Eh, it happpens, A+"

As long as you are able to walk away right?

[skydiverchick 0]

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Clay you mean I'm a cute chick...I'm flatered

Well yes you are!!

Yes, very cute... Heck, I'd probably pass her if she forgot to put the landing gear down..
me: "Eh, it happpens, A+"

you guys make me smile. Thankyou

Mother Hen

[quade 4]

Sorry to hear you feel this way but I do have a couple of questions.

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There is there is this Head flight instuctor there that has it in for any woman in aviation.

Are you certain? Has he actually said so or is this just a feeling that some people might have?

If you are certain, HOW are you certain? Can that certainty be documented? Did he actually say something like, "I don't want any chicks flying. It's called a cockpit damn it!" THAT would be actionable grounds, but if it's only a feeling you have, then you might actually be quite wrong about what your feeling is telling you.

The issue is that the world of flight instruction is vastly different that almost any other instructional institution I've ever dealt with. Certainly FAR different than what you might be used to from a skydiving stand point. Generally speaking, pilots do not care either way if you're a male or female, but they do hold all students up to fairly high standards and generally give very little lee-way if the student falls outside the Practical Test Standards. If you're not used to this attitude, then I can see why you might think there is an issue.

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I had a flight review with him so I could get an ok for my check ride. He mind f*cked me on every question he asked me . . .

Please understand that's his job. If you think the Chief Flight Instructor is playing mind games with you, then, well, yes you're probably right. But it is the job of a check pilot to make certain that students know what they're supposed to know. If this person is the Chief Flight Instructor, he didn't get to that position without giving quite a bit of instruction himself. By asking questions in ways that you may not have heard before, he's testing your knowledge and understanding of the material. If he were to ask you the questions exactly as stated on the FAA written test, then he'd be doing you a mis-service and failing to keep tabs on the instruction methods of the Instructors below him.

Believe me when I tell you that an FAA Designated Examiner will do the exact same thing. A check-ride is (and should be) nothing more than a huge mind game. You have to know the information inside and out or you will be screwed. If not during the check-ride, then later in life.

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. . . and told me that I was lazy and wasn't prepared for the ground portion.

Again, he might actually just be doing his job.

If I can ask you, how well did you do on your written? Did you ace it, barely pass or something in-between?

Lastly, how high up the food chain is the CFI you're working with? If he's a newbie CFI, then the Chief Flight Instructor might not be really grilling you at all. He might just be checking up on the newbie CFI.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[CanuckInUSA 0]

Have you talked to your instructor about this? If this Head Flight Instructor is a male chauvinist, then maybe you need to take some time and talk with a 3rd party instructor away from Sportys. But ultimately it should be your primary flight instructor who will say whether or not you are ready for the checkride. There is a lot of material to know and obtaining your private pilot's certificate is not something to take lightly. Believe it or not, if you can ace your oral, then the examiner is more likely to cut you some slack during the flight portion. So knowing the material is vital. And a lot of what Quade just said is true. My checkride went extremely well, but you can't even begin to image how many hours of home study I put into it before I got to that day.
Good luck and keep us posted.
Steve (a licensed ASEL private pilot)

Try not to worry about the things you have no control over

[skydiverchick 0]

He treats the woman in the program much different that than he treats the men ...almost every woman there has a problem with him. I've watched him with other people and he acted completely different towards me. He's made comments about me to other instructors.

I have already had several of these evaluations from other people in the school. There are tree that can give them. None of them were like this and I passed every one of them with flying colors until this piont.

I know the info inside and out. I have gone for a check ride for something different in the past and impressed the socks off of the examiner so much that he was bragging on me for a week.

I know that they have to test my knowledge I know that they can't make it easy thats not what I want.
I was prepared I showed other instructors after the fact and they couldn't see anything wrong with what I had done.

As for my CFI now he is in the middle of the food chain but this guy doing the eval today likes him so I don't think that was a factor.

As far as the written goes I got a 93%

He wanted me to explain in detail how a cold front forms and how it moves and shit like that.... That isn't even supposed to be adressed acoording to the sylabus...then if I got that right he'd ask me an even more obscure question..It was rediculous

After I walked out and we got in to it I said " you weren't going to pass me no matter how I did today so what was the piont of staying and listening to you. And he said "well even so you still should have tried"

I unerstand what you are saying but it isn't the case with guy.

Mother Hen

[skydiverchick 0]

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But ultimately it should be your primary flight instructor who will say whether or not you are ready for the checkride

I am in a 141 program so it not up to my instructor...it is up the three CFI that do the evals.

I've already been through a check ride and it was a breeze...I know this stuff nobody thinks I am not ready besides this guy and even this guy told my instuctor afterwards that he know That I know this stuff and am ready for the check ride

Mother Hen

[CanuckInUSA 0]

As a pilot, it is extremely important to know how to interpret the weather (ie: a passing cold or warm front always mean increased winds). So I do think his question about the weather during a checkride is valid. But should your entire oral portion of the checkride be based on obsure questions? We all know the anwer is no.
When I did my checkride, the examiner setup a hypothetical trip that he and I were to go on (him being a non-pilot not know any of the regulations) and before I even began to plan for the trip (you know all that stuff about flight plan, time, fuel, weight, etc, etc, etc) he wanted to make sure I knew the regulations which would determine whether or not it would be a legal flight (ie: was I current, could I fly with passengers, when was my medical going to expire, could I charge my passenger for the flight, etc, etc, etc.).
So what I'm trying to get at here is that there is a lot to know. By scoring 93% on your written, this tells us that you are no dummy and you do have a decent knowledge of the material. But maybe this Chief Instructor is trying to determine how much you really do know. Then again, maybe he's just a dick.
Believe it not, I know where your frustrations are coming from.

Try not to worry about the things you have no control over

[quade 4]

Ok, understood. For you own protection, you and all of the other women involved need to start documenting. Write down the time, place and circumstance of what this guy says. If after a period of time you can rationally present this to the school's Owner, I think you will have made not only a case for yourselves, but you might be able to do a service to the women that come after you.

As for the question . . .

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He wanted me to explain in detail how a cold front forms and how it moves and shit like that.... That isn't even supposed to be adressed acoording to the sylabus...

I don't know the syllabus that your school is working with, but that information and knowledge is most certainly within the type of questions the FAA DE can, and will, ask. It's also in the syllabus that I wrote for Private Pilots.

If you do not understand how a cold weather front forms and moves, then you most certainly are putting your life and the lives of those that fly with you at greater risk in flying any further away from an airport than the traffic pattern.

It's a legit question.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[CanuckInUSA 0]

I was Part 91, so my assumption about the instructor saying I was ready for my checkride was based upon that experience.

Try not to worry about the things you have no control over

[CanuckInUSA 0]

By the way, when it comes time to do the actual checkride, the examiner will be impressed to see that you scored 93% on your written. But that still doesn't mean that they won't drill you with questions. So you must be prepared. Oh also, if you don't know the answer to a specific question, don't bull$hit. Just tell them you don't know and if you've done well on the other questions they'll be happy to give your the info then and there. Your checkride is all part of the learning process.

Try not to worry about the things you have no control over

[SBS 0]

Clay you mean I'm a cute chick...I'm flatered

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If it would make you feel better, I can compliment you too and say that you're a cute chick...we all can. We would have to have pictures, though, for reference. :)

-S

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I'm not conceited...I'm just realistic about my awesomeness...

[skydiverchick 0]

I realize that that I have to be prepared but I will forget something...I have worked my butt off to get this far and this guy is always there to be an *ss my instuctor even sees it.

The guy who gives the check rides loves me and talked to me today about how glad he is that I'm up for my next checkride.

I know it is a learning process and in some way I'm sure this guy thinks he is helping me.

Mother Hen