WFFC 1 #1 August 26, 2002 This was posted on the Freefall.com message board and is being reposted here for your info. Bluez~~~ Michael Webmaster Michael@Freefall.com ***** Hello Y'all: My name is Scott Schwarz and I was to be the Captain on the B-727 doing drops at the 2002 WFFC. I wuz just cruisin' and thought I would look at the message board to see what I missed... There seems to be som mis-information circulating on this board. I am the Standards Captain for the B-727 at Kalitta Air and the guy who did most of the work on performance capabilities at Rantoul, as well as much of the interface with the FAA and Don. We were all set to go and had a verbal committment from the insurance underwriters that we would be covered for the event. Three days before we were to leave for Rantoul, the *&%%ing underwriters informed us that they were withdrawing coverage for the event. SHIT! We did a mad scramble to try and find other coverage, but there just was not enough time to pull it off. Hopefully, we can get something sorted out for next year. Sounds like I missed one hell of a party. In response to some of the naysayers about the ability of the B-727 to operate in and out of Rantoul, you just don't know what your talking about. With the larger, -15 powerred, engines on the plane we could takeoff at 142,800 pounds on a 94 degree day at Rantoul. The airplane weighs about 92,000 pounds and we need about 9,000 pounds of fuel for one complete circuit (two 45 second jump passes). That leaves 41,800 pounds for skydivers and 'chutes. My high school math says that is enough weight to carry about 220 skydivers with clothing and about 235 naked. Either way, that is more than we can fit inside the plane, with only 180 seatbelts. Hope to see you all next year... Scott L10FR8DOG@aol.com ****----- ~~~Michael Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weid14 0 #2 August 26, 2002 9000 gallons of fuel for one jump.... wow Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stacy 0 #3 August 26, 2002 no for over 100 jumps Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deleted 0 #4 August 26, 2002 Quoteno for over 100 jumps LMAO, ok, here goes... Avgas weighs aprox 6# per gallon, and I'm guessing Jet A is close to that. That would make for aprox 1500 gallons per 180 skydivers......yea, that's alot of fuel! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
indyz 1 #5 August 26, 2002 Don't forget that some of that (possibly a lot of that) is extra fuel that is required by the FAA in case there is some delay in landing. I seem to recall 30 minutes of fuel during the day and 45 minutes after sunset, but that was for private planes and I could be just plain wrong about the numbers. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sar911 0 #6 August 26, 2002 No, read what he said "9000 lbs" which at 6.84lbs/gal. is 1315.8 gal. of Jet-A fuel. Dvide that by 180 skydivers (number of seat belts) = 7.31 gal. per skydiver. Not bad, $10 in fuel per jump/skydiver!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sar911 0 #7 August 26, 2002 Sorry Jim, you posted while I was writing my reply. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deleted 0 #8 August 26, 2002 QuoteSorry Jim, you posted while I was writing my reply. Dats sall rite.... yers sounds mor edumacated dan mine eneways! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weid14 0 #9 August 26, 2002 oops 9000 pounds, for some reason I read gallons. that's still a heck of a lot of fuel. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mountainman 0 #10 August 27, 2002 ***We were all set to go and had a verbal committment from the insurance underwriters that we would be covered for the event.quote] A "verbal commitment" from an insurance company? Duh.http://www.brandonandlaura.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christoofar 0 #11 August 27, 2002 Quote***We were all set to go and had a verbal committment from the insurance underwriters that we would be covered for the event.quote] A "verbal commitment" from an insurance company? Duh. Kay. Anyone going to the convention with the sole expection of just jumping the jet... well... there's always bowling. ____________________________________________________________ I'm RICK JAMES! Fo shizzle. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skybytch 273 #12 August 27, 2002 I dunno. I think anyone who planned to go to the convention solely to jump the jet is nuts. I was looking forward to jumping the jet and the Connie. Am I bummed that I didn't get to? Hell no; I had a fantastic time there and I'll be back next year regardless of what kind of aircraft are flying. Note - I would like to see a Cessna 182 added to the flight line. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spy38W 0 #13 August 27, 2002 QuoteNote - I would like to see a Cessna 182 added to the flight line. LOL, I would love to see pictures of the line for that (sagebrush rolling by...) -- Hook high, flare on time Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stacy 0 #14 August 27, 2002 ya know on the night with teh flybys, etc we were walking to the C130 bar to redeem free drinks, and there was a C182 sitting on teh tarmac. it was sitting next to the C130 which just made me laugh. that C130 coulda ate the 182 in one bite without chewing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhreeZone 20 #15 August 27, 2002 Hmm.. I'm thinking Paul Fayard needs to add his 182 to the list too... you know the super 182 that takes about 15 minutes to 13500... (faster then a few of the Casa loads...)Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites sar911 0 #16 August 27, 2002 Skybytch, you would have been happy without any planes. All you needed was a good swoop pond to be naked in !!! (So I hear) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skybytch 273 #17 August 27, 2002 QuoteAll you needed was a good swoop pond to be naked in !!! That wasn't me. I swear. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,111 #18 August 27, 2002 >Note - I would like to see a Cessna 182 added to the flight line. I think it would have been cool to take a C182 out of the C130 then jump from it . . . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites sunshine 2 #19 August 27, 2002 QuoteHmm.. I'm thinking Paul Fayard needs to add his 182 to the list too... you know the super 182 that takes about 15 minutes to 13500... Just remember to wait til the pilot cuts the engine before climbing out onto the step.... ___________________________________________ meow I get a Mike hug! I get a Mike hug! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Spy38W 0 #20 August 27, 2002 Quote>Note - I would like to see a Cessna 182 added to the flight line. I think it would have been cool to take a C182 out of the C130 then jump from it . . . Need a pilot? -- Hook high, flare on time Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Auryn 0 #21 August 27, 2002 I jumped that 182 from 12.5 on a 95 degree day last week.. it can get the altitude, but does take longer than 15 minutes to get it.. BUT IM NOT complaining at all.. when I have to settle on a 182 instead of a CASA I still get full altitude.. gotta love being spoiled ! Blue Ones ! Bryan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites WFFC 1 #22 August 27, 2002 QuoteNote - I would like to see a Cessna 182 added to the flight line. Sign me up...That's an exotic I don't get to jump out of much... Michael Webmaster Michael@Freefall.com----- ~~~Michael Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites happythoughts 0 #23 August 27, 2002 "Note - I would like to see a Cessna 182 added to the flight line. " How about several 182's? That way, the sunset 40-way formation load would be more interesting. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AggieDave 6 #24 August 27, 2002 That would be a cool fly by at the end of the day, 12-13 182s...(gotta have more then 10 for camera guys...) "The Cessna Armada"--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites christoofar 0 #25 August 28, 2002 Hmm... maybe an armada of 2 seater ultralights. Launch a 10-way from 10 planes! ____________________________________________________________ I'm RICK JAMES! Fo shizzle. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
PhreeZone 20 #15 August 27, 2002 Hmm.. I'm thinking Paul Fayard needs to add his 182 to the list too... you know the super 182 that takes about 15 minutes to 13500... (faster then a few of the Casa loads...)Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sar911 0 #16 August 27, 2002 Skybytch, you would have been happy without any planes. All you needed was a good swoop pond to be naked in !!! (So I hear) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skybytch 273 #17 August 27, 2002 QuoteAll you needed was a good swoop pond to be naked in !!! That wasn't me. I swear. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,111 #18 August 27, 2002 >Note - I would like to see a Cessna 182 added to the flight line. I think it would have been cool to take a C182 out of the C130 then jump from it . . . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sunshine 2 #19 August 27, 2002 QuoteHmm.. I'm thinking Paul Fayard needs to add his 182 to the list too... you know the super 182 that takes about 15 minutes to 13500... Just remember to wait til the pilot cuts the engine before climbing out onto the step.... ___________________________________________ meow I get a Mike hug! I get a Mike hug! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spy38W 0 #20 August 27, 2002 Quote>Note - I would like to see a Cessna 182 added to the flight line. I think it would have been cool to take a C182 out of the C130 then jump from it . . . Need a pilot? -- Hook high, flare on time Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Auryn 0 #21 August 27, 2002 I jumped that 182 from 12.5 on a 95 degree day last week.. it can get the altitude, but does take longer than 15 minutes to get it.. BUT IM NOT complaining at all.. when I have to settle on a 182 instead of a CASA I still get full altitude.. gotta love being spoiled ! Blue Ones ! Bryan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WFFC 1 #22 August 27, 2002 QuoteNote - I would like to see a Cessna 182 added to the flight line. Sign me up...That's an exotic I don't get to jump out of much... Michael Webmaster Michael@Freefall.com----- ~~~Michael Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #23 August 27, 2002 "Note - I would like to see a Cessna 182 added to the flight line. " How about several 182's? That way, the sunset 40-way formation load would be more interesting. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #24 August 27, 2002 That would be a cool fly by at the end of the day, 12-13 182s...(gotta have more then 10 for camera guys...) "The Cessna Armada"--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christoofar 0 #25 August 28, 2002 Hmm... maybe an armada of 2 seater ultralights. Launch a 10-way from 10 planes! ____________________________________________________________ I'm RICK JAMES! Fo shizzle. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
