FallinWoman 1 #1 September 4, 2002 Did anyone just catch this show? The first bit was on an AFF student whose main somehow detached at the three rings when he pulled... "Most people don't survive their parachte malfunctioning." WHAT???? After his canopy left, he tumbled for several seconds before he deployed his reserve on his back. Why didn't he have an RSL??? The right riser detached first, then the left, which should have pulled the reserve before he went all unstable! Anyone see all this?? Anne ~Anne I'm a Doll!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jncoughlin 0 #2 September 4, 2002 Just saw it. WTF? It was an older SOS system. Didn't look like the RSL was connected if there even was one. My bet is a seriously overlooked gear problem possibly complicated by the SOS system. All of this is the uneducated guess of a newbie just off AFF. Sorry. Again the press highlightes the "terror of skydiving". No mention of a Cypress or analysis of what might have gone wrong. To make matters worse, the radio talk-down apperas to lead the guy into power lines. I'd like to read a more official incident report to learn from this. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jraf 0 #3 September 4, 2002 TV needs action and drama. What can a Whuffo TV geek say but: Most people don't survive/When you hit the ground you die/Some skydivers have been obducted by aliens amd some were attacked by flying monkies Let them live in their world. If you have not on your owm taken the first step (out the plane) you will never know what it is likejraf Me Jungleman! Me have large Babalui. Muff #3275 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wlie 0 #4 September 4, 2002 I think the same thing happened to President Bush Sr.. He pulled his cutaway first. One of the Golden Knights pulled his reserve for him.My other ride is the relative wind. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
indyz 1 #5 September 4, 2002 I saw the commercial. It was odd. My best guess was that if the rig was assembled so incorrectly that both risers would release at deployment, then the RSL wasn't connected either. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
indyz 1 #6 September 4, 2002 QuoteI think the same thing happened to President Bush Sr.. He pulled his cutaway first. One of the Golden Knights pulled his reserve for him. I was wondering about that. I thought that a red shoulder loop was a weird place for a main handle, but I never put two and two together. Looks like it's time to get Good Stuff out again. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallinWoman 1 #7 September 4, 2002 I think my favorite part might just have to be that once the main detached from him the announcer kept going on and on about how he was in a "death plunge." At the beginning they also said something to the effect of, "after only five hours of training....." he was put up for his AFF jump..... Gotta love them whuffos Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sinkster 0 #8 September 4, 2002 LOL! A "death plunge"! I love it! Let em' keep the image up though. Chicks dig it! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,111 #9 September 4, 2002 >After his canopy left, he tumbled for several seconds before he > deployed his reserve on his back. Why didn't he have an RSL??? During a similar incident at Perris, the RSL release snagged the riser, so the RSL released as the riser departed. Since they only had AAD's on the main at that point that put him in a very dangerous situation. He ended up landing in powerlines after opening his reserve fairly low. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pilotdave 0 #10 September 4, 2002 QuoteI think the same thing happened to President Bush Sr.. He pulled his cutaway first. One of the Golden Knights pulled his reserve for him. I dont think Bush did that, but Richard Branson (owner of virgin atlantic) did. He took AFF while preparing for his attempts at flying a hot air balloon around the world in case he had to bail out. Dave Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimbo 0 #11 September 4, 2002 QuoteDuring a similar incident at Perris, the RSL release snagged the riser, so the RSL released as the riser departed. Since they only had AAD's on the main at that point that put him in a very dangerous situation. He ended up landing in powerlines after opening his reserve fairly low. This should serve as a warning to all those who think you only need to pull _one_ handle. Pull them both, an RSL is no guarantee that a cutaway will deploy your reserve. I actually heard something about people really thinking they only needed to pull one handle over the weekend. Scary shit. - Jim"Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seedy 0 #12 September 4, 2002 I saw this. He landed in the power lines after finally getting reserve open. And then they concluded by saying the sport needs more regulation to make it safe since more and more people are getting into the extreme sports. I intend to live forever -- so far, so good. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gemini 0 #13 September 4, 2002 Don't you love it when they say "We need to regulate to make it safer."? The result is usually more cost, more paperwork, more oversight, use taxes, and damn little increase in actual safety. And who knows what happens to the tax that was raised 'cause it is not directly spent on safety either. Blue skies, Jim Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cornholio 0 #14 September 4, 2002 it's on again for us west coasters in about 5 minutes on TLC... should be interesting to watch. Butthead: Whoa! Burritos for breakfast! Beavis: Yeah! Yeah! Cool! bellyflier on the dz.com hybrid record jump Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ericcell 0 #15 September 4, 2002 just watched it just recorded it he pulls the cutaway handle first Then JM pulls his main which releases the guy was an absolute moron after 10 practice touches he still pulls the cutaway first complete foooool then lands in powerlines and blames instructors what a plonker Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
megscott73 0 #16 September 4, 2002 It was just on again on the east coast. I guess he took all of his jump money & cashed it in for a porche...======================= "What I want is what I've not got ,but what I need is all around me"-DMB Meghan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kinnebob 0 #17 September 4, 2002 i saw the program earlier and what i saw when he reach to pull the rip cord, he actually pulled the cut away handle.the jumpmaster is the one who pulled his rip cord. i just surprise that he did not see him pull the cut away handle?Quote Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Sinkster 0 #18 September 4, 2002 This is why it is probably good that skydiving is not in the olympics and is perceived as a "black death" sport. white water rafting used to be totally unregulated and blessed before technology and 'enterprising' individuals caught up and ruined it. Now, you have to wait months and even years just to put on some rivers as a private citizen. When I turned 18 I put in a permit to run the Grand Canyon by myself and with 'some' (20 or so) friends. (we do it like this so the odds of one of us getting a permit are higher it's like a club we share permits around. otherwise individually we would be on the river like once a year or something lame.) I am 23 now and still waiting for my permit. (lottery system where the commercial boating companies BUY up all the permits so private citizens can hardly get one) OF COURSE, I could always PAY thousands of dollars to float down the river with a bunch of "river whuffos" tommorow. But I never will since going commercial on rivers is like doing a tandem skydiving. (not totally, but I refuse to pay even if I get to bring my own kayak (if they even let u due to insurance) this is pathetic!) The government should never have let it go commercial! Greedy morons!! Btw, my dad used to raft on old military issue boats with homeade oars (they took dozens since they broke so much) on the grand canyon or any river for that matter and they could put in and go whenever and wherever they wanted. *sigh* the good ol' days are long gone though... (but it is safer for what it's worth) Although I am a newbie to skydiving and may be considered a yuppie or someone who might hurt the sport by the old timers I fear the same may happen to skydiving (b/c it is a haven away from the 'masses') although I wonder how much it already has that I just don't know about. In any case regulations and "advances" that let every tom, dick, and harry with a fat wallet come running (when before it was too 'dangerous' or 'crazy' but now is fashionable or something u get the idea) will ruin the sport. I am not in favor of keeping anyone out that wants to SKYDIVE. But, let's make sure it stays SKYDIVING and not some glorified amusement park ride!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! What ever happened to personal accountability and responsibility? CAN I GET AN AMEN?! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Michele 1 #19 September 4, 2002 I thought he grabbed something wrong...but I don't know that system, so I couldn't tell you. I will say he obviously didn't listen in the FJC....he had no arch on exit, and during his "death plunge" he was butt to earth, and he never accepted the possibility that his radios wouldn't work, and he'd have to land by himself....and never got the concept that you are responsible for yourself up there... Maybe I'm being too hard on him...but it was clear to me from the get-go that shit happens, and it's up to me to handle it... Good footage, though... Ciels and Pinks- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites FallRate 0 #20 September 4, 2002 One of the overly-bored billionaires, who was attempting the around the world ballon trip was taking AFF in case he might have to bail. This guy did pull his cutaway handle first and there was video. FallRate Oops, already covered. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,111 #21 September 4, 2002 >i just surprise that he did not see him pull the cut away handle? He did. The proper response is to pull the main ripcord, thus opening the reserve via the RSL. You can't re-thread the cutaway cables through the 3-ring assemblies in freefall. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Cornholio 0 #22 September 4, 2002 OK...so it is pretty clear that the student pulled his cutaway instead of his main. So.... my question is why didn't the instructor pull his reserve handle instead of his main ? Sounds like to me that the JM should have pulled his reserve. Butthead: Whoa! Burritos for breakfast! Beavis: Yeah! Yeah! Cool! bellyflier on the dz.com hybrid record jump Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,111 #23 September 4, 2002 >after 10 practice touches he still pulls the cutaway first . . . We had that problem on Telesis rigs when they were set to small and when the ripcord was mounted on the hip. The ripcord and cutaway handles were maybe 4 inches apart; it was easy to pull the wrong one. I had 3-4 students do just that but I managed to stop them before they actually released the main. The scariest one was a woman who pulled it about 4 inches out. I got her hand off the handle and deployed the main; it remained attached. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Cornholio 0 #24 September 4, 2002 QuoteHe did. The proper response is to pull the main ripcord, thus opening the reserve via the RSL. You can't re-thread the cutaway cables through the 3-ring assemblies in freefall. I am confused by this statement. If it was a total mal - (nothing out) then why pull the main? Not just that...but if the JM saw him pull the cutaway and KNEW that the main was going to release, why not just go for the reserve and skip the main ? And, it appears that there was no RSL, and I would assume that the JM knew this, so why did he go for the main? Butthead: Whoa! Burritos for breakfast! Beavis: Yeah! Yeah! Cool! bellyflier on the dz.com hybrid record jump Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites johnny1488 1 #25 September 4, 2002 I hope everyone write tlc like I did letters@discovery.com johnny Johnny --"This ain't no book club, we're all gonna die!" 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Sinkster 0 #18 September 4, 2002 This is why it is probably good that skydiving is not in the olympics and is perceived as a "black death" sport. white water rafting used to be totally unregulated and blessed before technology and 'enterprising' individuals caught up and ruined it. Now, you have to wait months and even years just to put on some rivers as a private citizen. When I turned 18 I put in a permit to run the Grand Canyon by myself and with 'some' (20 or so) friends. (we do it like this so the odds of one of us getting a permit are higher it's like a club we share permits around. otherwise individually we would be on the river like once a year or something lame.) I am 23 now and still waiting for my permit. (lottery system where the commercial boating companies BUY up all the permits so private citizens can hardly get one) OF COURSE, I could always PAY thousands of dollars to float down the river with a bunch of "river whuffos" tommorow. But I never will since going commercial on rivers is like doing a tandem skydiving. (not totally, but I refuse to pay even if I get to bring my own kayak (if they even let u due to insurance) this is pathetic!) The government should never have let it go commercial! Greedy morons!! Btw, my dad used to raft on old military issue boats with homeade oars (they took dozens since they broke so much) on the grand canyon or any river for that matter and they could put in and go whenever and wherever they wanted. *sigh* the good ol' days are long gone though... (but it is safer for what it's worth) Although I am a newbie to skydiving and may be considered a yuppie or someone who might hurt the sport by the old timers I fear the same may happen to skydiving (b/c it is a haven away from the 'masses') although I wonder how much it already has that I just don't know about. In any case regulations and "advances" that let every tom, dick, and harry with a fat wallet come running (when before it was too 'dangerous' or 'crazy' but now is fashionable or something u get the idea) will ruin the sport. I am not in favor of keeping anyone out that wants to SKYDIVE. But, let's make sure it stays SKYDIVING and not some glorified amusement park ride!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! What ever happened to personal accountability and responsibility? CAN I GET AN AMEN?! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michele 1 #19 September 4, 2002 I thought he grabbed something wrong...but I don't know that system, so I couldn't tell you. I will say he obviously didn't listen in the FJC....he had no arch on exit, and during his "death plunge" he was butt to earth, and he never accepted the possibility that his radios wouldn't work, and he'd have to land by himself....and never got the concept that you are responsible for yourself up there... Maybe I'm being too hard on him...but it was clear to me from the get-go that shit happens, and it's up to me to handle it... Good footage, though... Ciels and Pinks- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallRate 0 #20 September 4, 2002 One of the overly-bored billionaires, who was attempting the around the world ballon trip was taking AFF in case he might have to bail. This guy did pull his cutaway handle first and there was video. FallRate Oops, already covered. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,111 #21 September 4, 2002 >i just surprise that he did not see him pull the cut away handle? He did. The proper response is to pull the main ripcord, thus opening the reserve via the RSL. You can't re-thread the cutaway cables through the 3-ring assemblies in freefall. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cornholio 0 #22 September 4, 2002 OK...so it is pretty clear that the student pulled his cutaway instead of his main. So.... my question is why didn't the instructor pull his reserve handle instead of his main ? Sounds like to me that the JM should have pulled his reserve. Butthead: Whoa! Burritos for breakfast! Beavis: Yeah! Yeah! Cool! bellyflier on the dz.com hybrid record jump Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,111 #23 September 4, 2002 >after 10 practice touches he still pulls the cutaway first . . . We had that problem on Telesis rigs when they were set to small and when the ripcord was mounted on the hip. The ripcord and cutaway handles were maybe 4 inches apart; it was easy to pull the wrong one. I had 3-4 students do just that but I managed to stop them before they actually released the main. The scariest one was a woman who pulled it about 4 inches out. I got her hand off the handle and deployed the main; it remained attached. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cornholio 0 #24 September 4, 2002 QuoteHe did. The proper response is to pull the main ripcord, thus opening the reserve via the RSL. You can't re-thread the cutaway cables through the 3-ring assemblies in freefall. I am confused by this statement. If it was a total mal - (nothing out) then why pull the main? Not just that...but if the JM saw him pull the cutaway and KNEW that the main was going to release, why not just go for the reserve and skip the main ? And, it appears that there was no RSL, and I would assume that the JM knew this, so why did he go for the main? Butthead: Whoa! Burritos for breakfast! Beavis: Yeah! Yeah! Cool! bellyflier on the dz.com hybrid record jump Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
johnny1488 1 #25 September 4, 2002 I hope everyone write tlc like I did letters@discovery.com johnny Johnny --"This ain't no book club, we're all gonna die!" Mike Rome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
