bbarnhouse 0 #26 September 5, 2002 QuotePh.D in metallurgy/materials engineering Well then.........you're not a REALDr. are you......Bull Shyt......More Shyt....and Pilin' High and Deep Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #27 September 5, 2002 QuoteBTW - fatigue cracks can be invisible to the naked eye up until the point that the component breaks, don't expect a 100 hour or annual necessarily to pick them up. That is why ultrasound/X-ray/eddy current/dye-penetrant tests were developed Thanks kallend, maybe that will stop people from saying that a simple visual would have picked this up. Or implying that such an inspection did not take place...... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ericcell 0 #28 September 5, 2002 di the frankenotter get a new paint job? ive jumped it loads of times and it did not look like the one in the pic u posted here is the frankenotter i jumped are we talkin the same plane? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wildblue 7 #29 September 5, 2002 same plane... they painted it it's like incest - you're substituting convenience for quality Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,146 #30 September 5, 2002 QuoteQuotePh.D in metallurgy/materials engineering Well then.........you're not a REALDr. are you......Bull Shyt......More Shyt....and Pilin' High and Deep Doctor; Latin = teacher Docere; Latin = to teach "real" doctors are teachers. The use of the word to mean "physician" is a late 19th century corruption deliberately promoted by the medical profession to raise its status. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christoofar 0 #31 September 5, 2002 QuoteQuoteBTW - fatigue cracks can be invisible to the naked eye up until the point that the component breaks, don't expect a 100 hour or annual necessarily to pick them up. That is why ultrasound/X-ray/eddy current/dye-penetrant tests were developed Thanks kallend, maybe that will stop people from saying that a simple visual would have picked this up. Or implying that such an inspection did not take place...... We're not here to play the Blame Game. The consequence of the failure not being noticed -- could have been fatal. Luckily it wasn't! Perhaps these inspections, if they are occuring regularly, should be modified? Would hate to see wing seperation on a jump plane and have folks alive and well on the ground dismiss it as "well, it passed inspection... what more can we do?" We can always do better. ____________________________________________________________ I'm RICK JAMES! Fo shizzle. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deuce 1 #32 September 5, 2002 QuoteQuoteQuotePh.D in metallurgy/materials engineering Well then.........you're not a REALDr. are you......Bull Shyt......More Shyt....and Pilin' High and Deep Doctor; Latin = teacher Docere; Latin = to teach "real" doctors are teachers. The use of the word to mean "physician" is a late 19th century corruption deliberately promoted by the medical profession to raise its status. I will call you Doctor if you will call me Master. Fresh paint on old planes makes me nervous. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bbarnhouse 0 #33 September 5, 2002 Bwahhhhhhhhh I get the oh you're not a REAL Dr.all the time........Um ok.......and your opinion counts for? bwahhhhhhhhhhhhh Once a teacher always a teacher Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #34 September 5, 2002 I know the FrankenOtter was not built in NC, but it was put together in Canada by a crew that operates an Otter graveyard. I was told the Otter X-keys has was put together from scrap from the same crew. Maybe using scrap parts is/was the cause of this? Correct me if I'm wrong... but would'nt mirco fractures like this take years to develop and remain completely hidden until the point of failure? Also are all otters landing gear subjected to dye tests at every 100 hour inspection?Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #35 September 5, 2002 QuoteMaybe using scrap parts is/was the cause of this? Well....being that the last production Otter rolled off the line sometime in the 60's I think. It's going to be certain that ALL Otters are built from scrap parts or stuff that's fabricated locally. I would hope that something as critical as landing gear would be NDI'd at least during the annual. Not sure what the "Requirements" are though. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cornholio 0 #36 September 5, 2002 Speaking of 100 hour inspection, is it at all possible that this "Crack" developed immediately after the last 100 hour inspection, therefore it would not have been noticed even if a dye inspection was used ? Butthead: Whoa! Burritos for breakfast! Beavis: Yeah! Yeah! Cool! bellyflier on the dz.com hybrid record jump Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,146 #37 September 5, 2002 Quote I will call you Doctor if you will call me Master. Not a problem. To save space, I'll use the standard abbreviation for Master, which is Mr., and you can abbreviate Doctor to Dr. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites diverdriver 7 #38 September 5, 2002 Actually, the Otters were made by DeHavilland until 1988. From Flight Safety's Twin Otter Training Manual: "A total of 844 Twin Otter aircraft were manufactured in Toronto by de Havilland of Canada between 1965 and 1988." At the time of printing (1996) 625 remained in service worldwide.Chris Schindler www.diverdriver.com ATP/D-19012 FB #4125 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites MrHixxx 0 #39 September 5, 2002 Wow, the last time I saw it was the Easter Boogie in 99. It is so pretty now with paint! Barring the bum leg and all... -Hixxxdeath,as men call him, ends what they call men -but beauty is more now than dying’s when Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites freeflir29 0 #40 September 5, 2002 Quotethe Otters were made by DeHavilland until 1988 Wow...that's an interesting piece of trivia. I wouldn't have thought any were that new. When did they stop making Beavers? I know there's a company that rebuilds those from scrap. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites diverdriver 7 #41 September 5, 2002 Seee.....I do know a few things. They were built until the mid 60s according to the "Complete Encyclopedia of World Aircraft". Single Otters were built until 1968. ChrisChris Schindler www.diverdriver.com ATP/D-19012 FB #4125 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhreeZone 20 #42 September 5, 2002 Chris.... could you tell me the answer to this one? Also are all otters landing gear subjected to dye tests at every 100 hour inspection?Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites diverdriver 7 #43 September 5, 2002 I have a call to my mechanic friend to find out what they look at on the gear on each 100 hour. I do know that the legs are life limited and have to be replaced no matter what after so many cycles or hours. I am trying to find that exact number. It may be that the cracks were invisible to the naked eye. No doubt. But these planes are built like tanks and are meant to be landed with people or cargo in them all the time. In skydiving ops you land empty all the time so there should be less stress, right? Just my observations. I have plenty of questions about this too. The statement of "rust run-off" from an eyewitness lends me to believe that there was something visible that could have been caught. We will see. I say again.....these landing gear on Twin Otters don't just snap in two randomly. They have to have help.Chris Schindler www.diverdriver.com ATP/D-19012 FB #4125 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites diverdriver 7 #44 September 5, 2002 Ok....got my answer from my friend. There is no die-penetrant inspection at every EMMA (100 hour inspection). They are inspected by the number of cycles (he doesn't have the number yet) and they do have a life limit because I know SDCs legs just got replaced. Hope that helps this whole discussion. Chris Schindler Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites flyhi 24 #45 September 5, 2002 QuoteThe only thing you can blame Canada for is Celine Dion. And Howie Mandell and Tom Green and William Shatner and Keanu Reeves and Rush and Bryan Adams ... Didn't the mullet haircut start with Canadian hockey players, ay?Shit happens. And it usually happens because of physics. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhillyKev 0 #46 September 5, 2002 Keanu Reeves was born in Lebanon. Isn't that another reason to blame the middle east? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites wildblue 7 #47 September 5, 2002 QuoteKeanu Reeves was born in Lebanon Yes, but grew up in Canada and is a citizen of that fine country.it's like incest - you're substituting convenience for quality Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites CanEHdian 0 #48 September 5, 2002 "Whoa..." CanEHdian Time's flying, and so am I... (69-way, 108-way and 138/142-way Freefly World Records) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skymut 0 #49 September 5, 2002 I can definitely see how it got it's name. Quite frankly, if I climbed into a plane looking like that, I would be praying from taxi until about 'high enough to bail out'. Matt A well-informed person is somebody who has the same views and opinions as yours. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AggieDave 6 #50 September 5, 2002 That's one of the reasons why they painted it. FAA and airport officials would raise eyebrows every time they flew into a non-DZ airport. I wonder why... --"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 Next Page 2 of 3 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
diverdriver 7 #38 September 5, 2002 Actually, the Otters were made by DeHavilland until 1988. From Flight Safety's Twin Otter Training Manual: "A total of 844 Twin Otter aircraft were manufactured in Toronto by de Havilland of Canada between 1965 and 1988." At the time of printing (1996) 625 remained in service worldwide.Chris Schindler www.diverdriver.com ATP/D-19012 FB #4125 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MrHixxx 0 #39 September 5, 2002 Wow, the last time I saw it was the Easter Boogie in 99. It is so pretty now with paint! Barring the bum leg and all... -Hixxxdeath,as men call him, ends what they call men -but beauty is more now than dying’s when Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #40 September 5, 2002 Quotethe Otters were made by DeHavilland until 1988 Wow...that's an interesting piece of trivia. I wouldn't have thought any were that new. When did they stop making Beavers? I know there's a company that rebuilds those from scrap. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diverdriver 7 #41 September 5, 2002 Seee.....I do know a few things. They were built until the mid 60s according to the "Complete Encyclopedia of World Aircraft". Single Otters were built until 1968. ChrisChris Schindler www.diverdriver.com ATP/D-19012 FB #4125 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #42 September 5, 2002 Chris.... could you tell me the answer to this one? Also are all otters landing gear subjected to dye tests at every 100 hour inspection?Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diverdriver 7 #43 September 5, 2002 I have a call to my mechanic friend to find out what they look at on the gear on each 100 hour. I do know that the legs are life limited and have to be replaced no matter what after so many cycles or hours. I am trying to find that exact number. It may be that the cracks were invisible to the naked eye. No doubt. But these planes are built like tanks and are meant to be landed with people or cargo in them all the time. In skydiving ops you land empty all the time so there should be less stress, right? Just my observations. I have plenty of questions about this too. The statement of "rust run-off" from an eyewitness lends me to believe that there was something visible that could have been caught. We will see. I say again.....these landing gear on Twin Otters don't just snap in two randomly. They have to have help.Chris Schindler www.diverdriver.com ATP/D-19012 FB #4125 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diverdriver 7 #44 September 5, 2002 Ok....got my answer from my friend. There is no die-penetrant inspection at every EMMA (100 hour inspection). They are inspected by the number of cycles (he doesn't have the number yet) and they do have a life limit because I know SDCs legs just got replaced. Hope that helps this whole discussion. Chris Schindler Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flyhi 24 #45 September 5, 2002 QuoteThe only thing you can blame Canada for is Celine Dion. And Howie Mandell and Tom Green and William Shatner and Keanu Reeves and Rush and Bryan Adams ... Didn't the mullet haircut start with Canadian hockey players, ay?Shit happens. And it usually happens because of physics. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #46 September 5, 2002 Keanu Reeves was born in Lebanon. Isn't that another reason to blame the middle east? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wildblue 7 #47 September 5, 2002 QuoteKeanu Reeves was born in Lebanon Yes, but grew up in Canada and is a citizen of that fine country.it's like incest - you're substituting convenience for quality Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanEHdian 0 #48 September 5, 2002 "Whoa..." CanEHdian Time's flying, and so am I... (69-way, 108-way and 138/142-way Freefly World Records) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skymut 0 #49 September 5, 2002 I can definitely see how it got it's name. Quite frankly, if I climbed into a plane looking like that, I would be praying from taxi until about 'high enough to bail out'. Matt A well-informed person is somebody who has the same views and opinions as yours. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #50 September 5, 2002 That's one of the reasons why they painted it. FAA and airport officials would raise eyebrows every time they flew into a non-DZ airport. I wonder why... --"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
