Roundie landing

[jumpy 0]

Does anyone have some footage of a roundie ladning? I looked on skydiving movies but couldn't see any (although i didn't look very hard lol). I was just wondering because i wanna do a roundie jump at some point in the future and i wanted to know what i'd be in for if it did it.
Thanks

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[skymick 0]

speak to the guys at commandos, I know Ian Dayble (hes one of the instructors) did one last year and we've got a few surplus roundies to jump.

[quatorze 1]

A bud of mine jumped a PC not too terrible long ago. Get in touch with www.blueskyadventurtes.com and they should be able to put you in touch with Robin. Not only did he do the jump but on the next one he picked a another (very experienced CReW) jumper and pulled a two stack with a Round and a Square. WOW

I'm not afriad of dying, I'm afraid of never really living- Erin Engle

[pack40 0]

jumpy

I am not a expert in this topic, but I have 31 round jumps, I have not yet started to jump with ram-airs, but I hope I can help you.

LANDING:
If you will wear army boots and land facing the wind nothing special will happen. The pain in your leg/ankle/butt will depend on which type of canopy you will use, if you use US military canopy perpare for a hard landing. Military chutes are for fast descent not for enjoying the landscape.
Now I jump with "sport" rounds and I had only one bad landing and that was because I landed not facing the wind. It is usefull to bandage your ankles before the jump it is a bit uncomfortable but really helps.

VIDEO:
a) I think like a month ago we recorded some of my club member's landing I will check it for you.
b) I have a video of round jumps, but only the exits,
if you are interested, it is around 2MB write me where to send.

PICS:
Now I can only attach a pic of me and a friend before landing.

PREPARATION:
Both mentally and physically prepare yourself that you may land outside the DZ. Do not forget that if there is a sudden change in the wind you may land somewhere else. This weekend I landed like 200 meters from the edge of the airport. Even with my 85 kilos the wind drafted me away. One of my friends landed on the top of a tree. Fortunately no injuries, and no damage to the canopy, but it is not fun to cut a tree 2 PM in the afternoon in 30 degrees of centigrade. Power lines and railroad is dangerous in strong wind with rounds you can not manouver as easy as with ram-air canopies. So as I mentioned
boots, overalls, gloves are usefull. Expect the best, prepare for the worst.

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[kmcguffee 0]

Try this. Throw a sack of shit off the second floor of a building, film it, and voila! A perfect roundie landing.

"Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain and most fools do." Ben Franklin

[freeflir29 0]

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Throw a sack of shit off the second floor of a building, film it, and voila! A perfect roundie landing.

That's a perfect description!! After 72 military static lines on T-10's and -1C's I NEVER again have ANY desire to jump a round.

[BikerBabe 0]

Key word:

PLF!

It takes on a whole new level of importance.

I've watched how they teach PLFs at my DZ to the FJC students, and all I have to say is if they tried to use them, they would need new knees.

Learn how to do a proper PLF and you'll be fine...but my question is, why in the world would you voluntarily want to jump a round and land it on solid ground? Water jump, maybe, but the ground?

Crazy.

Never meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup!

[freeflir29 0]

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Water jump, maybe

Good Point!!! Those were the only "fun" jumps I ever did on rounds. Of course....we had one idiot that let his weapon go to the bottom of the sound. Kinda ruined the TDY but some people got current on their SCUBA skills.....

[cloud9 0]

Well I have about 75 jumps on rounds. The first 20 or so were on 28 ft with either a double L mod or a 7 TU mod. The mods are done for steering purposes. The rest were on PC's. Its not unlike a square in that wing loading is a factor also how old or porus the round is has a big effect. But contrare to popular belief I had many stand ups under my PC and landed in the peas quite often. They are fun to jump you just have to spot well, wear boots, prepare for PLF and then see what happens. There is a good chance you will stand up the landing if your jumping a PC. Of course its nothing like a square and I wouldn't go back for anything, but its not near as bad as your let on to believe.

[freeflir29 0]

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But contrare to popular belief I had many stand ups under my PC and landed in the peas quite often.

I remember my Dad saying that he NEVER tried to stand up landings on L mods. He did mention that some of the lighter guys could stand up most landings but he was 180 or 190 and just came down too fast. I know at 195 I came down like a ton of shit under a -1C. I remember a couple landings that were quite soft and I probably could have stood up but I never planned on it because it was so rare. The "normal" landing was a pretty hard PLF.

[steve1 5]

You know, I'd really like to jump a round again just for old time sakes. I know it is very possible to get some hard landings, especially on windy days, but a para-commander isn't all that bad to jump. I made at least 300 jumps under one. I think I stood up close to half of my PC jumps, and I even had a couple of one foot standups (although this is very unusual). I jumped a 28 ft. (7-TU) about 30 times, and I don't recall too many severe landings under it, unless the wind was blowing hard. But then again I usually tried to do a good PLF and wore French jump boots, and motorcycle helmet. I do recall some standups under it. In the army we jumped t-10's. Some were modified. When I first started jumping at Bragg we used t-10's with a large round hole in the back. Above your two shot cape-wells were a couple of safety forks. You pulled these out after opening and they allowed your risers to actually slip through the connectors that attached to your cape-wells. S.F. later changed to I Believe a 9-T-U (T-10). I liked these a lot better. If I recall a T-10 is 32 feet, and I've stood up a lot of these by using the back risers to flare on landing. hey don't land as soft as a para-commander, but they land a lot softer than a 28 ft. round. In the National Guard we got away with a lot of shit that they would probably hang you for in the regular army. Stand-ups by most para-troopers are considered a no-no. At any rate I bet I could talk Clay into jumping a round again. It might be fun. An old friend of mine is trying to sell me his old para-commander and B-12 harness. I'm actually considering buying it. I still have my old Frenchies and motorcycle helmet. Steve1

[jumpy 0]

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...but my question is, why in the world would you voluntarily want to jump a round and land it on solid ground? Water jump, maybe, but the ground?

lol! don't really know why i wanna do it it'd just be a good experience and something to say that i've done And like someone else said it has a wing loading just like a square and me being around 55kg or 110 pounds?? i don't think i'd be loading that thing that high! lol
Anyway i think i'll do it to celecrate getting my B license (when i get it that is) which will be soon
Thanks everyone for all of the replies

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[Antithesis 0]

Yeah, I wanted to jump a round until I witnessed the round jump at richmond this year. It looked like fun when they were all comming down. All the spectators were yelling oooos and ahhhhs until they started smashing into the ground. I did not see this as landing... It was smashing into the ground... plf or not! Hard and Fast and not slowing down- those ahhh and oooos turned into ohhhhhs and holyshits! My hats off to the pioneers for blazing the trails. Before you want to jump a round try not flaring at all a few times under a square on a no wind day.. You may know what you're missing.

I travel the land, Work in the ocean, Play in the sky

[steve1 5]

A friend of mine made over a 1,000 jumps on the same round 7 T-U. Instead of using rip stop tape to patch the holes, he used duck tape. He said it was covered with strips of this gray tape. Most of his pals back then used para-commanders, but he said he didn't trust them so he stuck with his rag. That's what everyone called the other round chutes. To date this guy has over 26 cut aways. He just had another on a tandem this past weekend. Steve1

[jimmytavino 16]

Many years ago in the late 60's or early 70's the late
Carl Boenish filmed and produced some truly classic skydiving movies.... Masters of the Sky, was originally a film movie, like where you needed a projector to watch it.... but later was on VHS video.
There is a lot of footage of round canopies, landing and in the air...We used to call them "cheapos", Another old movie was called Sky Capers, and like Masters of the Sky included original music,,, early freefall formation skydives, (with every participant sporting 3 or 4 pin main containers, and chest mounted round reserves....)
B.J. Worth and Randy DeLuca
filmed a movie called WINGS, in the mid 70's (I think it was done in Arizona, from a Lockheed Lodestar) which highlighted some great sequential RW, really neat diamond jumps, RW involving piece flying and mostly pre-square main canopies.....again with some chest mounted reserves,,, however large early generation "piggyback rigs " can be noticed as well.

For a photographic record of the evolution of equipment and main canopies from the early eras, be sure to look for the 3 volume set which was published by Andy Keech, in
1974, 1979 1nd 1981, The set is Titled SKIES CALL 1, 2, and 3.... great photos, many amazing photos, including aircraft shots, CReW and Style and Accuracy
jumps..........As for jumping with such gear today,
I would say be careful.
I made 35 jumps with a LoPo28" 7TU round main canopy in the early 70's, then bought a French Papillon (actually had 2 different french paps) and skydived those mains, til
after my 1000th jump...(that was '79). I had transitioned to a piggyback rig with a 26"round reserve, in the mid 70's The round main (papillon)was packed in a D bag and had a hand deployed pilot chute...(which by the way, was made by the Seneca para-Loft and which was SQUARE) and R-3 releases, (velcro closed modifications of the older "shot and a half" capewells.). I have experienced 4 reserve rides all under a 26 foot round canopy, stood up each one,, but they were all stiff landings......I WAS slow to transition to a ram air main,(but ram air mains were slow to get all the kinks worked out) but have been jumping
a variety of square mains (para plane cloud 220, para foil 252, RW Challenger 240 , and now P D Spectre 210 since I retired the papillon.. While it's easier to get into trouble with a square than with a round,,, it's also MUCH easier to properly pilot the square canopy to a far more preferred landing, than what is possible with the rounds... I've seen some people with limited experience on the older designs, strap
on a Mini System rig, with an old PC just cause a club member dug one out of a closet somewhere.....
The jumps are usually survived, but landings are often not pretty, often off target, and seldom repeated.......If you missed that era... be grateful.
You might have met the fate of many of my old time jumpin' buddies, who had injuries, hard landings, busted bones, and enough PLF black and blue marks, that they were eventually discouraged from the sport,,,,perhaps to make room for the the more recent membershipo who have the timing , luck and good fortune to be the recipients of the great improvemnets in gear and main canopies, which we have experienced in the recent past... So try to find the old movies which I have mentioned, and enjoy the nostalgia with your friends, around the big screen TV and with the refreshment of your choice.............but maybe leave the old gear where it belongs,,,, in the past....

[Thanatos340 1]

I have some Video on VHS of my first Jump somewhere (Piglet 23 Round). I posted the story here a few months ago Here.
I will see if I can get it transferred to MPG this weekend and put up to the FTP site.
Great example of the right way and the wrong way to land a Round.

[wingnut 0]

i have some video of military static ine jumps taken around march of this year on 8mm video...i could upload them to the skydivingmovies server if your still looking for some...... these were outa a c-130.......and yup they hit hard.......

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[pack40 0]

jumpy check out
ftp.skydivingmovies.com/UPLOADS/

I put up a file called "staticlinehungaryGOOD.mpg"
It is about round static-line jumps with RS 4/4A with BE-8 reserve from an Antonov An-2 in Hungary.

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[steve1 5]

Jimmytavino,
I'm glad I'm not the only old fart on here. The movies you mentioned bring back memories. I never jumped a papillion or pig rig. Many of my friends had them though. I know B.J. went down to Arizona in the late 70's. Do you remember the picture of the twin Beech with all the people sitting on top of it? It used to be a poster. At any rate, the guy sitting on top of it holding up a beer is the guy I mentioned earlier who made over a 1,000 jumps on a 7-TU. In fact he probably had it on his back in that picture. I think the guys in this picture were mostly part of B.J.'s team. Steve1

[nigel99 586]

I think it is a good idea to jump a round for fun.

I don't believe any square can beat the absolute absence of sound that you experience under a round?

Also for all the hard landing stuff if you use back risers to flare it is pretty easy to stand it up/soft landing.

I would hapily land a T-10/C9 again but I am only 63 kilos maybe its different for bigger people?

Experienced jumper - someone who has made mistakes more often than I have and lived.

[dterrick 0]

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I don't believe any square can beat the absolute absence of sound that you experience under a round?

...especially when it is your FIRST reserve ride (jump #20) and you have to chop from terminal.

Now I jump a tired Raven II as a main and if I get the flare timing wrong it feels just like landing a round . It can open just as hard, too .

Dave

Life is very short and there's no time for fussing and fighting my friend (Lennon/McCartney)

[jimmytavino 16]

Steve 1

I'm happy if those old titles brought back good memories.. sure the beech shot with all the FLOATERS is a good one....I am happy to still be active in this sport,,, but I am NOT old......and certainly not a fart,,,, never have been hahaha.
I will celebrate the 30 anniv. of my first jump in couple more weeks.
It is Sept. 16th..... but since I had only just turned 19 , 3 months before my first jump, I'm still a youngster to this day,,,,(at least in my own mind )
My 1st jump was also the first time I was ever in an airplane..... I had almost 200 jumps before I ever LANDED in an airplane....man I was sure we would NOT reach the runway.... I was used to the glide slope, (can you say 90 degrees!!!!???)
of a 28 foot 7 TU........ so much has changed....
Today The REAL old farts are the whuffo family members and friends, who come out to see an acquaintance make a skydive and spend the day, shaking their heads, proclaiming how unsafe the sport seems to THEM, wondering how ANYone could make a jump and making doom and gloom comments........even in spite of the big smiles and high fives going on all around them........There's always something to see at a drop zone....

[howardwhite 6]

Jumptown Orange MA had an Old Farts reunion over Labor Day celebrating the 40th anniversary of the sixth world meet held there. Lew Sanborn, D1 jumped up a storm with people of all experience. Dick Tompkins, C-47, has retired from his real job and is jumping again -- checked out on squares and square packing. There is life after 60 or even 70.

In Masters of the Sky (which we showed to a bunch of kids a couple of weeks ago) there's a guy who lands in a tree. It's Terry Utter; remember him from upstate NY?

HW

[steve1 5]

Jimmytavino,
It sounds like you haven't even turned 50 yet, so I guess you aren't truly an old fart yet. You sound more like a young pup. I too started Sport jumping in 72, but I quit for over 20 years. I must say it is great to be back. The advances in equipment technology make it all the better. I know for sure most of us wouldn't still be jumping if we had to do it on round canopies. Steve1

[jimmytavino 16]

Roger That Steve 1,
and yes Howard, I sure do remember Terry Utter..
I believe that tree landing was intentional,because it seems to me that there was a camera rigged into the apex of the canopy, which caught a great sequence, as the parachute crashed through the branches and leaves,,,,,,back from the days when sex was safe,,, and skydiving was dangerous..!!