Skyrad 0 #51 September 9, 2002 Nothing but the need for God to come up with new and exciting forms of natural causes. My point isn't that it solves anything but simply that no one race or nation of people can be demonized, because America, Britan, France, Israel and most countries have caused their share of terror and perpertrated its own evil deeds. Does that make Americans evil..No, Does it make Brits evil..No. Are Christians evil because of the terrors of the inquistion or the secatarian killings in NI? Of course not, no more than Muslims, Arab or otherwise are evil because of the crimes commited on 9/11. Its a sensitive time of year but I just wish some people would keep a little perspective.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pop 0 #52 September 9, 2002 Just to give you a quick background on me. I don't believe in organized religion. One of the reason is precisely what you mentioned. People die over religion, and who is to say whose religion is right. (I beleive everyone's religion is right as long as it asks for people to do good to themselves and others). I know that true Muslim religion condems killing oneself or others. Both the Palestinians and the Israelis are killing each other becasue both believe they are doing it out of self defense. Somehow certain factions withing the muslim community twisted up the religion where now it is good to kill yourself. Remeber 99% of the muslims do not believe that. So now we have Israeli's killng Palestinians, and Palestinias killing Isralelis and themselves. As long as suicide bombings continue Israelis will keep on killing Palestinians. That is self defense. Now, as long as Israeli's will keep on killing Palestinians, Palestinias will keep on klilling themselves. That's not self defense. I don't understand the logic behind Palestinian actions. And not to mention sending kids that haven't even hit puberty to the front line. what kind of people would allow ten year old kids to fight a grown man's war?7 ounce wonders, music and dogs that are not into beer Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #53 September 9, 2002 'what kind of people would allow ten year old kids to fight a grown man's war?' 'More than 300,000 children under 18 are fighting in armed conflicts in more than thirty countries world-wide.' http://www.unicef.org/smallarms/exhibit/html/sa03/index.html[/font] I'd be suprised if more than a hundred were Palastinian. Maybe the question should be what type of grown man gos to war against children?'More than 460 Palestinians were killed during 2001 by the Israeli security forces; most were unlawfully killed. Among the victims were 79 children and 32 individuals targeted for assassination. More than 2,000 Palestinians were arrested for security reasons. There were widespread reports of police brutality. Palestinian detainees frequently reported that they were tortured or ill-treated during interrogation. At the end of the year at least 40 people were under administrative detention. At least 33 conscientious objectors were imprisoned during 2001. Hundreds of Palestinians from the Occupied Territories were tried before military courts in trials whose procedures fell short of international standards. Collective punishments against Palestinians included closures of towns and villages, demolition of more than 350 Palestinian homes and prolonged curfews. Palestinian armed groups killed 187 Israelis, including 154 civilians.' http://web.amnesty.org/web/ar2002.nsf/mde/israel+and+the+occupied+territories+!Open Self defense?When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #54 September 9, 2002 Interesting.. Take it one step further and find out why Israel treats Palestine the way it does.. Tell me what you find.. Tell me where the word "Palestine" comes from.. Rhino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pop 0 #55 September 9, 2002 You are really taking this personally aren't you? Even did the research. Relax. Israeli's don't have an option. These kids are throwing Molotov's Cocktail at them. If the kids parents would keep their kids form going to the war front, the kids would be alive and well. These websites are nothing more than propoganda wheather they are true or not. I can go and found you hundreds of websites just like these that take the Israeli side. These websites are NOT credible. They are written by people who refuse to see both sides. Don't take it all personally. You and I are not fighting each other7 ounce wonders, music and dogs that are not into beer Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #56 September 9, 2002 They want Palastinian land In defiance of international law, some 200,000 Jews live in 150 settlements in the West Bank and Gaza Strip, land conquered and occupied by Israel in the 1967 war between Israel and its Arab neighbours. Some 400 radical Jewish settlers live in heavily armed enclaves in the Israeli-controlled sector of the city (Hebron), and clash frequently with its 120,000 Arab residents. http://english.pravda.ru/diplomatic/2002/07/29/33339.html Unfortunatly a large number of the settlers are American and this is one reason why many Palastinians are angery with America. Would you not defend your home land if people pitched up from the otherside of the world and claimed that God promised them your home two thousand years ago, then kicked you out of it? Many Israelis aren't happy with the settlers and their antics either. When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pop 0 #57 September 9, 2002 again with the websites quote first line:" A 14-year-old girl was murdered and a 4-year-old boy was stabbed by Israeli settlers in Hebron, West bank, who went on a rampage after four Jewish settlers had been murdered by Palestinians in recent days. " 4 jews murdered and you think they are just going to take it?7 ounce wonders, music and dogs that are not into beer Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #58 September 9, 2002 Are you SURE it was Palestinian land 2,000 years ago? How long has "Palestine" been around? Where did the word "Palestine" come from? Rhino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #59 September 9, 2002 >So why do Palestinians think that suicide bombing will sove >something. For the same reason the Israelis think that constantly sending the tanks in will solve something. For the same reason that we think that blowing up Iraq again will solve something. People like action. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pop 0 #60 September 9, 2002 i agree with you bill7 ounce wonders, music and dogs that are not into beer Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #61 September 9, 2002 No we're not fighting each other, and yes I did some research because without it it would just be my opinion. As for the web sites they are credible. All are NGOs Amnesty International looks at all sides and favours none on any political or religious grounds. As for UNICEF it is beyond credibility that you don't think the UN knows what its talking about in this area. I haven't taken anything personaly as I'm neither a Palastinian and worship in a Church of England church. I just recognize oppresion when I see it. If I'm a little cranky its because I haven't managed to jump in SIX WEEKS!!!!!!!! Work weather an' all! When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #62 September 9, 2002 How long has "Palestine" been around? Where did the word "Palestine" come from? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #63 September 9, 2002 Damn, its like groundhog day!! When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pop 0 #64 September 9, 2002 Skyrad, I am just busting your balls a little. Look, i know exactly what you are saying. If we started off this conversation and you would have taken the Israely side, I would have jumped on the Palestinian side. I understand why both sides have issues with each other. I don't know how it can be solved. If I did, I'd have a million dollars now. You have to understand that both sides have reasons for not liking the other. Problems arise when no one wants to see the situation from the other side of the fence.7 ounce wonders, music and dogs that are not into beer Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #65 September 9, 2002 LOL, yea I know you are....likewise. When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pop 0 #66 September 9, 2002 7 ounce wonders, music and dogs that are not into beer Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #67 September 9, 2002 I still would like an ACCURATE answer to the 3 questions I asked you? Where did "Palestine" come from? Who coined the word "Palestine" for Palestinian people? Who originally owned "occupied" the land that the Palestinians are on? Rhino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #68 September 9, 2002 So write to Yasser Arafat. When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #69 September 9, 2002 Good chating, I'm off to get some grub, cheers! When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pop 0 #70 September 9, 2002 QuoteWho originally owned "occupied" the land that the Palestinians are on? Originally the land was occupied by Mesopotamian tribes. Greek soon took over. Israel was formed about 3000 year ago. Actually at the time there were two parts to Israel. One was called Israel and the Other was Judah. Both were eventually conquered by the local people, who were the predecessors to Muslims. Muslims, and I am taking this from memory so this might not be accurate, but muslim religion did not come to be till hundreds, even maybe closer to a thousand years after the two tribes of Hebrews were conquered.7 ounce wonders, music and dogs that are not into beer Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pop 0 #71 September 9, 2002 later7 ounce wonders, music and dogs that are not into beer Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #72 September 9, 2002 My new post has the correct entire history.. Rhino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
