Calling someone a baby on first jump?

[gale 0]

Someone with many more skydives then me gave me some really good advice once:

"if it doesn't feel right, don't do it"

It doesn't matter if you have 1, 100, or 1000 jumps, if you think it's time to ride the plane down - for WHATEVER reason, then it's time to ride the plane down. It doesn't make you a baby, p*ssy, or anything else, it just makes you someone who listens to their gut, and that just might keep you alive someday.

Oh, and if anyone ever told me I was a baby for being scared of JUMPING OUT OF A PLANE, I would make sure they were made very uncomfortable at the dz until they left. Find some other dz to pollute with that macho garbage.

Gale

I'm drowning...so come inside
Welcome to my...dirty mind

[ernokaikkonen 0]

jraf, Tami and SkyDekker:

Don't feed the trolls...

[f1freak 0]

Not only that, he told her to quit being a "FUCKIN BABY... and to just get in the door....
It was total bullshit...

HAVE FUN...
...JUST DONT DIE

[Luminous 0]

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Yo this sh*t is life and death yo! Harden up people! This is skydiving, not bowling.

Thats right, skydiving may result in serious injury or death. So your going to push someone who doesn't feel right leaving the plane?
You mention S/L. Are you also an AFFI ? Or do you just call em whiners and push em off the step?
I for one know how bad things can get with students UP CLOSE in the air, and later while I'm trying to talk them down via radio, and I'm not compounding that by taking someone who tells me they're not ready to go. Believe it or not, they actually know themselves better than you.
And did you ever stop to think that the dude your friend whacked in the balls might have done better had he been allowed to step away from the door and try again later?
Sounds to me like you two should take turns whacking each others balls, and leave the students alone.

'In an insane society a sane person seems insane.' Mr. Spock

[mountainman 0]

If you know, why dont you let us know where NOT to go and jump.

http://www.brandonandlaura.com

[f1freak 0]

Skydive Suffolk.....

HAVE FUN...
...JUST DONT DIE

[SkyDekker 1,465]

now f1freak, how do you know that the girl in someone elses anonimous email conversation is the same girl you were on a load with at Skydive Suffolk?

[f1freak 0]

I have my ways i guess.....

HAVE FUN...
...JUST DONT DIE

[bbarnhouse 0]

Me thinks that questions such as who, what and where would be best left to PMs.

[agitator 0]

I didn't say I was the one that did the balls thing. It was some other JM. Learn to read dufuss!
And yes, maybe a little military discipline is what this sport needs. I learned the fine art of being a jumpmaster in the army, and we didn't have to put up with that kind of crybaby crap there. Why should we have to here?
If they didn't want to jump when they got up in the AM, then they should not have come out to the DZ. I operate on the assumption that they really want to skydive on some level, and do my level best to accomodate them.
I mean, c'mon, it's not like we're clubbing harp seals or something. We are just facilitating a first jump student's learning. Some need more help than others, but we owe it to them to help them get out in the air. Out of all the people I have seen "coerced" into getting out of the plane at my DZ, only a couple have not thanked us for booting them the hell out of the plane.
Later. BTW I am not a whuffo. I have 2300 jumps, and have been jumping for 5 years at various CA DZs. So as far as what DZ I come from, take your pick, I been to 'em all.
Later folks

[Deuce 1]

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we're a pretty cool bunch of folks

WE ALL SUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!

You especially suck, you baby!

The DZO as described is a psychological terrorist. People who see weakness in others and expoit it to cause them pain are the lowest form of life. Had I witnessed the exchange as presented the DZO would have spent the night in ER I and would have spent the night in jail.

Bullies are the absolute lowest belly-crawling reptiles in the universe, and not enough bad things can happen to them.

Shame.

Hey Nathan, you really suck. Especially really badly.

[bbarnhouse 0]

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You especially suck, you baby!

Ohhhh Deuce I just love you when talk dirty!
Babay!
Bwahhhhhhhhh

[SBS 0]

now f1freak, how do you know that the girl in someone elses
anonimous email conversation is the same girl...

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Sounds like he has his ways...

I agree with Betsy, though, probably best to leave the names in PM's.

-S

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I'm not conceited...I'm just realistic about my awesomeness...

[f1freak 0]

You are probably right on that one...

HAVE FUN...
...JUST DONT DIE

[carbonezone 0]

Remember folks...we are feeding this dude with energy......axe it now.....ignore the MoFo!!!
Please....i vow not to post this thread no more (for real this time).
Tami

[nws01 0]

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Hey Nathan, you really suck. Especially really badly.

I suck really bad, I know!

[wildblue 7]

Probably the coolest thing I've ever seen a jumpmaster do at my DZ:
JM "Are you ready to skydive!?"
Student "I don't know!"
JM "We cannot exit the aircraft unless you say 'yes!'" ... "Are you ready to skydive!?!"
Student "Ok! Yes!!!"

No need to badger them into it. If they don't want to go, they don't want to go. Seems to me the last thing an instructor would want is someone who is completely terrified in the air with them - they could freak out, latch on, panic, brain-lock, etc.

it's like incest - you're substituting convenience for quality

[skybytch 273]

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BTW I am not a whuffo

Around here, anonymity = no credibility for your posts. You could have 10000 jumps and have been jumping since dirt was invented; without your real name what you say has no credibility here.

But, even those anonymous types who pop up once in awhile to snipe have a right to express their opinion. Of course, we don't have to attach any importance to those opinions since the authors appear to be too spineless to back them up with a real name...

[colossus 0]

All I have to say about calling someone a baby to "encourage" them to jump it that it is not right. If they don't feel good about the jump, bad stuff will happen.
I am still learing to jump. One day, I was out at the DZ and I was sitting around all day waiting for a ride. I was about to leave and I was told to get on the next load. I was not ready for the jump and I went reserve.
That scared the shit out of me, and I have been back only once since then. I AM going to go back, but, I have to get in the right frame of mind before that.
Jumping out of a plane is not a natural thing. I do love it, but again, I have to be ready to do it.

[SBS 0]

Jumping out of a plane is not a natural thing.

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The ride to altitude is not natural...the jump is as natural as it gets...

:)

-S

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I'm not conceited...I'm just realistic about my awesomeness...

[rendezvous 0]

Dude if you mean that for real, what makes you the authority
in determining whether the 45 would have made a good skydiver or not. May be, if you hadn't been such an ass he might have made a great skydiver. By the way, for your little knowledge you don't need to be hard to be a Skydiver. You just meed passion to be one and I think you probably ruined it for someone who had that. As for negative reinforcement, first develop your skills doing it the possitive way or you might land up killing somebody. Students out on the strut are scared and your idea of negative reinforcement doesn't help them overcome their fear it just makes them more fearful and some jump that fear. One of them might not be able to overcome it in time to deal with an emergency one of these days.

[harro 0]

Has to be the saddest thing I have heard yet in skydiving.
I look up to the JM on my dropzone. If I was new and a JM did the same. Probably wouldnt have come back. Thankfully, the JM's really took care of me and made sure that I was progressing.

People like this should hold a rating.

My 10 cents, 2 cents for free!!

Harro's cranky

Jumpy Jumpy??

[Sebazz1 2]

Agitator I thank you for your words of wisdom. I gotta get tougher with my students like you mentioned. You know kick em in the nuts, call em names, and maybe even shout really friggen loudly at them. Especially if their english isn't good. Yea yea "whats wrong with ya chicken!!" "are ya scared!!" "do ya need me tou call mommy!!". I mean come on you're either cut out for jumpin or not. I can not believe I have been encouraging people to overcome their fears!! It's not like people can or improve with a litlle encouragement. Thats BS. I have so been wasting my time. So sack up little kiddies cause SGT Agitator & COL. Sebazz are comin to a DZ near you to shape your little wussy ways into um shape. yea!!

By the way Agitator. I saw you cry when I drove over that old lady tryin to cross the road other day. You little sensitive winy biootch you.

<--I AM KIDDING.

[Deuce 1]

Shut up Seb, you wussy, baby, puss.

What the hell were you thinking when we did that 5 way with Michelle that boosted her confidence in both her flying and landing ability? I recall she was a little discouraged that day, and you BLEW the opportunity to drive her out of the sport forever!

Now we are saddled with her bright smiles, and warm hugs for the indefinite future. Hell, Bytch might keep her job cause Michelle is going to probably buy gear. Diverdriver might get to fly another load full of new, optimistic skydivers, and DZO owners will have to take her money for jump tickets.

She might even bring friends to Monterey to have their first tandems with you, making everyone in the loop a little cash and keeping prices down for the rest of us upjumpers.

Glad to hear your back to treating newbies with the derision they deserve. Hopefully they will tell all their friends to stay the hell off the DZ too.




F*ck the people who argue for being mean.

You really SUCK Sebazz!

JK (but Seb really does suck)

JP

[PLFXpert 0]

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Hey, this is entirely appropriate. Sometimes a little negative reinforcement is very necessary. The student is relying on JMs to get them their money's worth. If calling someone a "baby", "crybaby", or "p*ssy" will get them out of the plane, it is well worth it.

Oh geez, it's sad it takes an idiot to bring me back to posting on the forumns for a second:

I don't think calling someone names would get them out of the plane any sooner. I think if you need to resort to name-calling, you're the baby, not the other way around. You might not put up w/ something in the military b/c it's the military and you have to be able to count on someone to perform their duties at all times. But for someone learning to skydive, it's for fun, not for war. The fact that this girl told ScottB that she still will try again shows a lot for her character. Not many people would even venture to make a jump, let alone come back for a second round of bullshit from a name-calling JM. Who knows about the other end of the story...it's too hard to make a valid arguement when only one side is presented. However, it doesn't seem to me this girl had any reason to lie in an e-mail to Scott, someone she barely knew.

Jumpers come in all packages. I've read some people say they would be more scared of the people who weren't scared but I don't think that's accurate either. I wasn't scared at all. I've been nervous a couple times, since, when I would try something new, but that's about as far as it goes. I don't look at skydiving so much as life or death either. If you look at it that way, everything in life is life or death...there is always a scenario no matter what you're doing, that, if you don't do X, then it would result in death. Everytime you get in your car, everytime you leave your house, no matter what you do, if you're not aware of your enviroment and what is going on, it could result in death. Skydiving is only different in the sense that it's a more sure-fire death, if you don't follow proper procedures.

Back to agitator: I think your name is accurate, here on the forumns and I think an uproar is exactly what you want in response to your antics. To the credit of the other posters, however, I think we're a little too smart to fall for your shit.

To everyone else: Hi guys, I've missed you...I've been super-busy with classes and work and graduating in December so I haven't much time to post, but when I get a chance, rest assure, I read your entertaining input.