hobbes4star 0 #1 September 17, 2002 to many?? i had my third cut away this weekend. that is three chops in 215 dives. this is the first chop due to my own packing error. i some how packed a line twist the ended with a huge pressure knot under my slider. the other two chops were do to one brake lock that i shouldn't have chopped but do to the fact that i only had 30 dives and only knew that i couldn't get the brake out and the second time i chopped was due to a skysurfing incident were my cut away cord had slipped over my knee and when i went into a sit spin it cut one of my bindings and instead of choping the board i tried to save the board and dumped my main that just got everything fucked up. well this weekend while i was waiting on my rigger to get me back in the air, one of the skydive az's best FF and camera men made the comment that i had a lot of cut aways for my low jump #'s. he also stated that maby it was time for me to review my packing habits. but like i stated before this was my first packing error that resulted in a cutaway. he just shruged. so am i just being sensitive or was he just being a asshole?? and how many cutaways is to many??? thanks for letting me rant and get this off my chest.if fun were easy it wouldn't be worth having, right? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nws01 0 #2 September 17, 2002 QuoteHow many cutaways is.....to many?? One is too many in my opinion. In a perfect world that main parachute is all we need. Unfortunately the world is not perfect so we have that reserve. It is such a sweet thing when it comes out perfectly when needed. Congrats on your 3rd and may it be your last! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bbarnhouse 0 #3 September 17, 2002 Now Hobbes......that wasn't the way it was intended at all. Its like I told you, its YOUR life dude and when in doubt throw it out!! Don't you worry what anyone else thinks!! It's all about you and your comfortability. They werent there.YOU were. You listen to yourself and you'll be just fine. Cheers dude Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
d16842 0 #4 September 17, 2002 Quoteto many?? well this weekend while i was waiting on my rigger to get me back in the air, one of the skydive az's best FF and camera men made the comment that i had a lot of cut aways for my low jump #'s. he also stated that maby it was time for me to review my packing habits. but like i stated before this was my first packing error that resulted in a cutaway. he just shruged. so am i just being sensitive or was he just being a asshole?? and how many cutaways is to many??? thanks for letting me rant and get this off my chest. Sounds like that "asshole" was trying to save your life. We need more 'assholes" like him on most DZ's.Tom B Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Levin 0 #5 September 17, 2002 i know a couple of people that have/had 200 jumps and 3 cutaways. both had them from packers and they're own sloppy pack jobs. lesson learned from one of their first; if it takes 3 people to pack it, it ain't gonna work. levin vSCS#3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
superstu 0 #6 September 17, 2002 I know a guy that has had 3 cutaways and only 30+ jumps. His 3rd I got to witness when I was just on solo status, needless to say that freaked me out.Slip Stream Air Sports Do not go softly, do not go quietly, never back down Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fasterfaller 0 #7 September 17, 2002 Don't feel bad , I have had five chops in one month on the same canopy . It just wanted to spin that month I guess . It made for some good video . Each mal was packed by a different packer . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hobbes4star 0 #8 September 17, 2002 hey d16842 i wasn't replying that he was a asshole, i was saying was he being a asshole oh and just for the record my question was how many cutawys is to many. but hey thanks for the advice i really needed it. if fun were easy it wouldn't be worth having, right? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bbarnhouse 0 #9 September 17, 2002 Hobbes....never too many dude....its the one that ya dont that can get ya Cheers darlin' and to your lovely bride Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #10 September 17, 2002 How many is too many? How many scare you? If you have another 5 straight... will you be scared or accept them? My DZ has over 70 reserve rides, some intentnional, others cutaways in 15000 jumps. You might want to look at the factors leading up to them. If its poor packing/packers change that. If its due to your discipline, change it or make it safer. If its due to lack of experience, get more experience or get out. Its when you are scared of the next mal and you start doubting your self is when you become a danger.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GroundZero 0 #11 September 17, 2002 Wow, 3 chops in just over 200.... seems way to high to me... but what can I say... my first was after 2500+.... total of 3 in 5200+... funny you should start counting.... I'm trying to figure out a good friend's record of 3 in 70 jumps.... I'm concerned, but I also remember that one of the senior jumpers from my start date had #3 at jump number 39..... that was 1 per 13 jumps....caught my attention then... Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
d16842 0 #12 September 17, 2002 Quotehey d16842 i wasn't replying that he was a asshole, i was saying was he being a asshole oh and just for the record my question was how many cutawys is to many. but hey thanks for the advice i really needed it. If you go back and read your post you will find you asked two questions, the first one being was he an asshole or were you being sensitive. I was answering the first question. As for my comment, at times the easiest thing to do is walk by someone and say nothing, because anything you saw will make you sound like an asshole. But things need to be said, and questions need to be asked sometimes. It is better to speak too much than bury a brother because you didn't. Tom BTom B Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jessica 0 #13 September 17, 2002 Quotethe second time i chopped was due to a skysurfing incident were my cut away cord had slipped over my knee and when i went into a sit spin it cut one of my bindings and instead of choping the board i tried to save the board and dumped my main that just got everything fucked up. This sounds scary to me. Aren't 500 skydives recommended before learning to skysurf? And it sounds here like you had fewer than 200.... To answer your rhetorical question, I think if you're a safe skydiver who's just had a lot of malfunctions, then there's no such thing as "too many" cutaways.Skydiving is for cool people only Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,092 #14 September 17, 2002 >i had my third cut away this weekend. . . . Sounds like only one was due to your packing. Not the end of the world, but it is probably a good time to review your packing technique with an experienced jumper or rigger. Average mal rate is between 1 in 300 and 1 in 1000, depending on whose stats you use. > . . .the second time i chopped was due to a skysurfing incident . . . You might want to wait a while longer on the skysurfing until you work out the other issues (dive planning, sit stability, packing.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
f1freak 0 #15 September 17, 2002 I have had one... My 31st jump, and i couldnt unstoe a toggle... So at 2 g's i said chop chop and bought a case of beer and the rigger got a bottle of jack... I have came close a number of times after that but was able to correct the problems....HAVE FUN... ...JUST DONT DIE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Iflyme 0 #16 September 17, 2002 QuoteDon't you worry what anyone else thinks!! Hmmm ... let's see ... This poster is advising you: "don't listen to the advice of someone who has knowledge and experience" ... I think I'd at least think about advice from Quoteone of the skydive az's best FF and camera men before blowing the guy/gal off as an asshole... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallnAngel 0 #17 September 17, 2002 Quoteone of the skydive az's best FF and camera men made the comment that i had a lot of cut aways for my low jump #'s. he also stated that maby it was time for me to review my packing habits. but like i stated before this was my first packing error that resulted in a cutaway. he just shruged. so am i just being sensitive or was he just being a asshole?? and how many cutaways is to many??? I don't quite see how the FF's comments make him an asshole...it doesn't sound like he was criticizing you for chopping, he said (according to you) that you might want to review your packing process. I would personally take that to mean he cares about you and your survival. As far as whether or not 3 chops are too many...well, it's more than average. I'm not saying you shouldn't have chopped! You kept a clear head, and did what you needed to, so good for you!! However, one of your cutaways was due to the complications introduced by a board, and I would rethink whether or not I am really ready for the potential additional problems associated with that. Blue skies! Karen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flyhi 24 #18 September 17, 2002 You said: Quotei some how packed a line twist the ended with a huge pressure knot under my slider. He said: Quotethat maybe it was time for me to review my packing habits. Sounds like good timely advice. Don't take it personally. You may be doing something wrong. I imagine it's not what he said, but the way he said it. Someone told me that 65% of all communication is non-verbal.Shit happens. And it usually happens because of physics. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bbarnhouse 0 #19 September 17, 2002 That wasnt the intent and you well know it!! What I was saying was not to worry if someones doesnt agree with him chopping away his canopy. Please don't try to assume you knew what I meant. This addresses Hobbes feelings not nec his actions so.......BTFU! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hobbes4star 0 #20 September 17, 2002 hey bb i wasn't refering to you i was refering to what nine toes said to me. sorry for the confusionthanks for all the comments everyone. i think last night i was being a asshole myself.....if fun were easy it wouldn't be worth having, right? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bbarnhouse 0 #21 September 17, 2002 No worries......and you are aware that 9T flies camera for me? LOL........I was responding to another post doll. Cheers Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hobbes4star 0 #22 September 17, 2002 yup i knew that. and he is a great flier and i respect what he says a great deal that is why it bothered me so. a person hates to think that they are the ones being a danger to themselves, and sometimes it is very hard to take critism even when it is to help you. especially me. thanks again all and sorry for being an asshole. if fun were easy it wouldn't be worth having, right? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
homer 0 #23 September 17, 2002 I have over a hundred jumps but only 1 cut away. It was due to my rigger hooking up my new collapsable pilot chute up wrong causing it to collaps upon throw out. I had no other choice in my case with a collapsed pilot chute in tow. A good buddy of mine has had nearly 5,000 jumps with only 9 cut aways all a result of CReW entanglements. 3 chops in just over 200 jumps there is a problem. Sorry to say it but maybe you should reflect on what your doing each and every jump. Then try to find what your doing wrong and correct it. Remember skydiving is as safe as you make it. CSA #699 Muff #3804 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sebazz1 2 #24 September 17, 2002 You never know how things will balance out. I have seen people with thousands of jumps never have a cutaway or just one then have three over a month long period You may not have one for a thousand jumps now or you may three in the next two weeks. Just be ready no matter what. Be safe... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weid14 0 #25 September 17, 2002 shoot I know a guy who had a cut-away three days in a row. He hired a packer after that (no, it wasn't me! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 1 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
