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>Or we could actually seriously develop some alternative energy
> sources and use hydrogen as our energy currency.

We don't have any hydrogen. We would have to make it, and it's easier to make it from methane than any other source. If natural gas is cheap, hydrogen will be cheap.

There's nothing magic about hydrogen, BTW. Methane is easier to store and transport, and if you synthesize it (which you'd have to do with hydrogen as well) there is no net pollution released when it is burned or used in a fuel cell.

>This is a problem would should have started tackling decades ago.

We did! That's why we have fuel cell and CNG buses, hybrid cars, home solar power systems, and big wind farms. All we need now is money in the form of incentives and buybacks.

>It's annoying to me that we want to go to war over oil and people are
> still buying 10mpg SUVs.

Yep. While I think people should be able to drive whatever they want, the idea that those people would rather see americans die in the middle east than use less gas is pretty sad. I don't think most SUV owners think that way, but from what I've seen on the net at least some do.

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Can't we just hurry up and use up all the oil so we can move onto hydrogen? That hydrogen powered DC-3 would produce enough water to keep the swooping pond at Perris full!

I want to jump out of a Zeppelin.

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I want to jump out of a Zeppelin.



They're making a come back and I don't see why it wouldn't be one scwheet-ass jumpshit. You can make'm HUGE, lauch big ways, put a floater bar all the way around the damn thing...
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"it's a lot easier to detect " If you are there. We are talking about smuggling, right ? They won't bring it through customs at Miami International. A common method is to land a DC-3 out in a swamp. Slide it in, wheels up, unload it, and leave it there. When I was a kid, you could find parts of bales floating in the mangroves all the time. It fell off unloading.
Smuggling anything is no problem. You got to find them a long way away and stop them there.

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We don't have any hydrogen. We would have to make it, and it's easier to make it from methane than any other source. If natural gas is cheap, hydrogen will be cheap.



I know, which is why I used the word currency instead of source. Hydrogen is an energy transport medium. However, if energy can be produced cleanly and efficiently (solar, nuclear, wind, whatever), then hydrogen can be produced on site wherever you can get a water and electricity feed.

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We did! That's why we have fuel cell and CNG buses, hybrid cars, home solar power systems, and big wind farms. All we need now is money in the form of incentives and buybacks.



True enough, but the research has never been a huge priority. If we put the effort into energy that we put into the Manhattan Project decades ago, we wouldn't have this issue now. or at least it would be less of a mess.

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Yep. While I think people should be able to drive whatever they want, the idea that those people would rather see americans die in the middle east than use less gas is pretty sad. I don't think most SUV owners think that way, but from what I've seen on the net at least some do.



I would just like to see gas prices reflect a more true cost for the stuff. I think people would make better transportation choices if it were $4 a gallon, like most of the world. I think SUVs certainly have their place in the world, but the hordes of giant pseudo-offroad beasts don't have much business here in LA.

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People are not going to climb out of their SUVs and monster pickups again until OPEC manufactures another crisis again that economically forces these people to go back to small cars. It's just part of the wealth effect, and if people can spend money on these things, then they will.

All the phoney baloney marketing on how "safe" these SUVs are hasn't helped with the economical vehicle market... because a false sense of security is more soothing than buying a small "death trap."

Hydrogen is a very good fuel and it's very combustible. One problem designers will have to work on is the best fuel container design that is safe in a crash and will not ignite the compressed hydrogen if the gas escapes and it is exposed to flame. Perhaps a flame retardant foam or liquid interspaced inside the container that will release if the container's shape is changed or is punctured?

Too bad Bush's energy "policy" that Enron helped write included little, if any, incentives to private industry to work on these initiatives.

We *could* create some political waves by taking the remaining 8% of oil we import from Saudi Arabia and transfer that business to Russia, at least until something is worked out.

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Cause they look differen't...AND they smell funny. :D



Is that also why ya like the sheepies?

I bet you watched lots of Sheri Lewis and Lambchop when you were growing up.;)

btw Lambchop's new master is a jumper (Sheri's daughter).

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Lambchop's new master is a jumper (Sheri's daughter




That's not what that little slut says when I have her chained up in the closet....;)





ROFL OMFG! :ph34r::D:ph34r: Okay, this thread is getting printed and *framed* and being sent to your family and future in-laws for Xmas! ;)B|

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