web design software

[freefalle 0]

okay, heres a question for the computer savy. I dont know a thing about creating web pages, but I need to learn because I need to make one for my new business, its not going to be extravagant. Whats the most simple web page deisgn software out there. I need something that I can install and use to build the page once I get it designed Ill go from there. suggestions?

[SudsyFist 0]

vi


(sorry; it's late, and i've got two more freakin' proposals to write... )

steve

[ernokaikkonen 0]

I suggest you learn the basics of HTML and use your favorite text-editor to build the page. There are literally thousands of HTML-tutorials on the web, try a google search with "html" and "tutorial". There's a pretty good tutorial on the www-consortium homepage http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Guide/ as well.

Erno

[jumpy 0]

what erno said is best because you can do more with html but for those of us who don't understand html at all frontpage is ok and simple...and dreamweaver is really good! but a little harder to understand to begin with. You could probably find free trials of both programs and crack em so you don't gotta pay anything lol

[harro 0]

software : Dreamweaver MX - is very good, we have been using this version for the last few months and have turned out some good sites. Checkout www.bloomoo.biz/portfolio.

Highly recomend the dremweaver range of software

Jumpy Jumpy??

[AggieDave 6]

My favorite editor? Notepad. I've created some seriously cool pages with it, including an ASP based intranet site for the Corps of Cadets that runs its data from an Oracle dbase, turning the Texas A&M Corps of Cadets into a paperless organization.

Notepad has yet to fail me.

--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."

[SudsyFist 0]

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My favorite editor? Notepad.

dave!!! you rock, man!!!



oh, shite, that's it... i'm waaaaay overgeeking now... time for bed!

steve

[AggieDave 6]

Even though META tags are basically dead for use as search engine keys... Oh, gone are the days of HTML 2.0 and the original Webcrawler...

--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."

[ernokaikkonen 0]

>Notepad has yet to fail me.

Yeah, it's compatible with all browsers and OS's!
I myself like a few extra options, so I've been using EditPlus2 for a while.
http://www.editplus.com/

User definable keyboard-shortcuts, possibility to write macros, and a lot more. Highly recommended.

Erno

[sangiro 26]

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I myself like a few extra options, so I've been using EditPlus2 for a while

No, you don't say! You mean it's ok to leave notepad for a "few other options" as long as you don't get too many of those options and it actually turns into an HTML editor? Isn't that exactly what html editors are.... a text editor with (quite) a few other options?

Safe swoops
Sangiro

[ernokaikkonen 0]

>Isn't that exactly what html editors are.... a text editor with (quite)
>a few other options?

Ummm... yes? Actually EditPlus2 _is_ an html-editor. There are a lot of nifty buttons to insert html-tags, and you can assign your own keyboard shortcuts to those buttons.

Did I say I have something against html-editors?

[sangiro 26]

Aaah... never heard of EditPlus2. My apologies. I use HomeSite.

That being said, I don't agree with your advice that beginners should use NotePad to learn HTML. It's simply not the right tool for the job anymore. We've moved on. You can learn HTML in any html editor as well. Puritan views are more entertaining than useful.

Safe swoops
Sangiro

[ernokaikkonen 0]

>Aaah... never heard of EditPlus2. My apologies. I use HomeSite.

EditPlus2 is at the lower end of editors; mostly a good text-editor with a lot of goodies. I just haven't gotten around to getting any software with advanced features. And I guess I'm too set in my ways to use some program with a fancy GUI and loads of automagic gee-whizz features...

>That being said, I don't agree with your advice that beginners should use
>NotePad to learn HTML.

This is where we disagree then. I'm pretty sure you learned the old-skool way? Writing the code yourself gives you a better understanding of it, which will come in handy when trying to find a glitch on a page, made by yourself or the bad generated code of the editor

>It's simply not the right tool for the job anymore. We've moved on. You
>can learn HTML in any html editor as well.

Certainly. If you're set out to learn it. I'm pretty sure it'll be possible to make pages with html editors and _not_ learn html.

>Puritan views are more entertaining than useful.

There are situations for each approach. I do agree that there's no added value in writing html with vi as opposed to some editor with more features, but if you want become a professional, learning with Frontpage is a bad idea IMO.

Erno

[sangiro 26]

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This is where we disagree then

Yup!

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learning with Frontpage is a bad idea IMO

...and this is where we agree then.

Safe swoops
Sangiro

[Stacy 0]

front page, ew. i use dreamweaver sometimes, always edit/revise with notepad. when i write the code myself i know exactly what's going to show up on the page.

[skreamer 1]

Here is a good place to start too.

[PhreeZone 20]

When did homesite start offering better CSS support? The last version I used was horrible at it.

On a site note, anyone know of any good PHP editors that not'nt require an install of a web server?

Yesterday is history
And tomorrow is a mystery

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[happythoughts 0]

" vi "
All the features of Edlin but without the hassles of an operating system as complex as MS-DOS.

[christoofar 0]

I have been developing web applications since 1995. I still use notepad. For small-fry stuff I will stick with Notepad/Textpad and/or Frontpage.

The editor you use to write your site does not a wonderful site make.

For very large projects (50 or more function points), I sometimes use Visual Interdev on IIS boxen because it is good at organizing code, and it's integrated with VSS. It's harder to get vi and emacs working with RCS unless you enjoy writing a lot of bash script to do your version control. At some client sites I can use VS .NET instead, which is basically the same (JScript .NET is usually what I prefer to write).

For other web technologies, I use the following:
Win32 CGI - Delphi 5 or 7
Linux CGI - GNU C
ISAPI Filters and Extensions - Delphi 5
JSP - vi/emacs/pico (whichever is available)
Servlet Server - Tomcat

I am also a COM whore. If there is something that requires extensive database or hardware functionality that ASP/CGI cannot easily provide, I will take the time and write a Visual Basic or Delphi COM DLL and then expose that to ASP or to JSP via a translator class.

I also have some FreeObjects that you can use in your ASP projects if you like. If you're sick of Scripting.Dictionary, try my ASPQueue or ASPStack collection organizers.

NOW, what that nerdy enough for y'all?


Delphi Kicks ASS!

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[blackwidow 0]

I can give you some ideas about software if you don't feel like learning the strict code right off of the bat and do not need any database driven web pages.
Check out http://www.blackwidowdesign.com , http://www.greenramp.com , http://www.westernretarder.com , http://www.siggrealestate.com , http://www.coloradobasementfinishing.com , http://www.jonsen.net , http://www.centralreadymix.com , http://www.projectstreetrods.com , http://www.civia.com , to see some pages built in different types of software.

How soon do you need to learn to build this site?
What is your budget to buy software and books?
What kind of an internet connection are you working from?
Do you know anything yet about hosting or domains?
Let me know if you have any questions or need some help on a direction to start.
Black Widow

[Pammi 0]

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...and dreamweaver is really good!

And expensive! I've been looking for a way to spiff up the simplicity of our site too. Generally all the coding is done manually, but it's a bit simple looking too. Are there any decent, cheaper editors?

I used to use Coffeecup. It's really pretty good and fairly inexpensive. They've added a lot and have other software too you can get additionally.

Pam

[Slappie 9]

Pammi, you mean to say you BUY software? I'm not condoning warez.. but it's out there an you can get alot of stuff if you dig deep enough into the internet... NO I wont help people find stuff... Just look it's out there.

"Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have found out the exact measure of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them."

[weegegirl 2]

A lot of the stuff mentioned here is expensive as hell and not so easy for beginners. If you just want a personal webpage, you can develop stuff in word and save it as html. Frontpage is also pretty cheap and easy to use. A lot of places where you register your domain have templates you can use... that might be another good option. I'm a web designer and I use Dreamweaver MX - very cool but expensive.

[WFFC 1]

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Aaah... never heard of EditPlus2. My apologies. I use HomeSite.

Homesite makes my life happy too, and I've not heard of EditPlus2 too...

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~~~Michael

[Pammi 0]

Ah Slappie, it's so sad for me...I have dial-up. It takes FOREVER to even get a song at home!