slotperfect 7 #1 October 4, 2002 There is an expert CYPRES listed for sale on eBay here: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1866118772. The seller says the one pictured is "just like" the one up for auction except for the sealed plastic bag. Well, the serial number of the one in the picture (1050A15E5DCA22 40)is the first one listed on the Airtec website as being unairworthy due to damage in a train wreck http://www.pia.com/SSK/cypres/missing.htm There was a post back in August about a different serial number with the same circumstances http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=194276;search_string=ebay;#194276 I have emailed the seller of the current listing and asked him for the actual serial number and date of manufacture for the CYPRES he intends to auction off. I will post the results when he responds. Meanwhile, I recommend that nobody bids on this unit! I posted this in "Gear and Rigging" as well. Arrive Safely John Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christoofar 0 #2 October 4, 2002 Someone should contact eBay and ask them to pull that item. ____________________________________________________________ I'm RICK JAMES! Fo shizzle. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spy38W 0 #3 October 4, 2002 Damnit, I got outbid. -- Hook high, flare on time Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
slotperfect 7 #4 October 4, 2002 I emailed Cliff Schmucker at SSK . . . he sent an email to the seller asking him to pull the item and is negotiating with him to "keep them off the street." I will not post his email here as I did not ask his permission to do so. Cheers! Arrive Safely John Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dumpster 0 #5 October 4, 2002 Seems to me if this guy was legit he would gladly supply the S/N to anyone asking for it- Or even post it in the ad-- As an aside- Is an out- of date Cypres even worth anything? Easy Does It Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #6 October 4, 2002 >As an aside- Is an out- of date Cypres even worth anything? Its not airworthy, but I can think of a few uses for one... like a skyball recovery system releaser Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dumpster 0 #7 October 4, 2002 That might be a pretty big skyball to contain the Cypres and recovery chute, is size an issue in this case? Easy Does It Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fasterfaller 0 #8 October 5, 2002 I told him the last time he was selling these that they were bad . He knows it and does not care . I reported him to e-bay . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IronMike 0 #9 October 5, 2002 As a manager for a railroad, I can say with all certainty that you do NOT want this Cypress. If any of you live aroud Perris and saw the 2 grain cars that were derailed across from March AFB about a month ago, that train was only going 10 MPH. Our UPS trains go 70 MPH. I can guarantee the forces in that crash were horrendous and with God knows what else was in that UPS trailer, these Cypresses are probably damaged. Why take a chance on such an important safety item? What really sucks, when a vehicle train derails with new cars on it. we take a bulldozer and bury the brand new cars even if they are just scratched.....Even Mercedes and Porsches!!!....They wont even sell them to their employees! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #10 October 5, 2002 Quote we take a bulldozer and bury the brand new cars even if they are just scratched.....Even Mercedes and Porsches!!!.. Seems like they could give those to organizations to use for fund raisers, like selling slots to bang the car up with a sledge hammer or something. Make some sort of use out of them, but then again, that's *logical* and lord knows we can never be that...--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
slotperfect 7 #11 October 5, 2002 Thanks for the details . . . this was very helpful. It further confirms the appropriate action taken by Airtec & SSK. I was asked by Arlo to post the same warning on rec.skydiving, which I did last night. I plan to email Cliff again and let him know. I will also tell the gang at SkyKat here at Raeford so they can pass it around as well.Arrive Safely John Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
slotperfect 7 #12 October 5, 2002 Now THAT is one of the best ideas I have heard lately!Arrive Safely John Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
slotperfect 7 #13 October 5, 2002 The seller has added these comments to the listing. As of right now there have been 6 bids and it's up to $127.50. #################################### On Oct-04-02 at 17:10:59 PDT, seller added the following information: Hi again , a lot of people are asking me for the serial numbers of the units i am selling . So instead of listing the serial numbers of all the units i have left , i will be shipping the one that you see in the pictures . You can also read it's serial number in the pictures . So just to be clear , you are bidding on the cypres that you see in the pictures . Thank's . On Oct-04-02 at 17:34:03 PDT, seller added the following information: Ok , here's another addition . A lot of people have been emailing me with concerns that these cypres units are reported as having been in a train wreck , and that the manufacturer considers them unairworty untill they can check them out ( again $$$ ) , because there's no telling what kind of "stresses" they where exposed to during the accident . All i can say , is that i turned each unit on , and watched it doeing it's self check countdown , and they all performed flawlessly . There is no damage to the exterior of them either , as you can see in the pictures . However , if you want to be 100% sure , you can always send them back to the manufacturer for another check . #####################################Arrive Safely John Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jumpy 0 #14 October 5, 2002 Quoteyou can always send them back to the manufacturer for another check . You can't even do this can you? Isn't it 3 months either side of the service date that they'll accept it... Can you actually send it to them for testing if you have doubt in the unit? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jessica 0 #15 October 5, 2002 QuoteIsn't it 3 months either side of the service date that they'll accept it... You can send it whenever you want. If it was due in Jan. 2002 for a 4-year check, and you send it in August, that's fine. However, it will still be due for its next 4-year check in Jan. 2006, NOT Aug. 2006.Skydiving is for cool people only Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
slotperfect 7 #16 October 5, 2002 1) Under normal circumstances, you can send your CYPRES in for service whenever you want . . . BUT if you send it early, they will not perform the service until it is within 3 months of the month of manufacture. E.G., your CYPRES was manufactured in June of 2000. It turns four years old June 2004. You send it in in January while there's still snow on the ground so you'll have it when the weather warms up. Airtec/SSK will accept it, but they won't service it until March 2004. Jessica is right on about sending it late. 2) For the CYPRES for sale on eBay, sending it in for "another check" would be futile, because the manufacturer has already declared it to be UNAIRWORTHY. Any rigger installing this CYPRES in a rig and placing it back in service would be doing so illegally. 3) Anyone buying this CYPRES would basically be buying a paperweight.Arrive Safely John Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kingbunky 3 #17 October 5, 2002 i remember back in high school, the auto shop got a brand new station wagon that had been damaged (slightly) in a train wreck. it was nice to have a whole car to work on."Hang on a sec, the young'uns are throwin' beer cans at a golf cart." MB4252 TDS699 killing threads since 2001 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fasterfaller 0 #18 October 5, 2002 Everyone should e-mail e-bay and complain . I was told by the seller to fuck off . If you are a e-bay user e-mail the buyers and tell them they are going to be fucked with no kiss or grease . If anyone knows the sellers name and town let me know and I will find his phone number and call him . I will call the F.A.A. if it is not removed . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
indyz 1 #19 October 6, 2002 QuoteIf you are a e-bay user e-mail the buyers and tell them they are going to be fucked with no kiss or grease . I sent the high bidder a message letting him know that this guy has tried to sell unairworthy Cypri before, along with links to the old auction, selected threads on this site, and the SSK missing/unairworthy list. I also urged him/her to cancel the bid and report the seller to eBay if the seller will not disclose the serial number of the Cypres that he is selling. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quatorze 1 #20 October 6, 2002 I like the idea of alerting the F.A.A. Let them do what they are chartered to do and help keep the unknowing population safe. Have you thought to go throught the USPA channels yet also? I'm not afriad of dying, I'm afraid of never really living- Erin Engle Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SanDiegoRW 0 #21 October 6, 2002 Yeah I e-mailed the highest bidder too. Hopefully it will do some good. -Kenny Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #22 October 6, 2002 I sent a message to eBay through their link to report prohibitited items, which include manufacturer recalled items. It takes them 36 hours to respond but hopefully they'll yank the auction. I also sent email to Parachutist and Skydiving asking them to include something in their next issue to warn people about this. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fasterfaller 0 #23 October 6, 2002 It is now up to $300.00 . I am e-mailing every buyer and telling them the truth . The seller is a jerk and refuses to list them as unairworthy . He insists that they are still good . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
indyz 1 #24 October 6, 2002 I'm sort of confused about all of this now. The seller added an update to the listing saying that he was selling the unit in the picture. The unit in the picture has a 2002 inspection sticker on it, but it's serial number is still on SSK's unairworthy list. Has anybody gotten ahold of SSK to make sure that the unit wasn't inspected and deemed airworthy since the last time that their list was updated? PS: Just a note for whoever was going to contact the FAA: The seller is in Canada, so there isn't much the FAA can do until it crosses the border. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallRate 0 #25 October 6, 2002 Hmm...Are inspections stickers placed on new units, or only after scheduled checks? I was thinking that the unit was probably manufactured in 2002, and was deemed non-airwirthy in August 2002 after the accident. FallRate Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
