jfields 0 #1 October 3, 2002 I finally got off my lazy butt and scanned in a photo I have in my office. It is an 11"x17" glossy, so I had to scan it in sections and use software to merge them back into one image. The file I've uploaded is substantially reduced from the scanned size, so if anyone wants a bigger (2119x2668 pixel) version, let me know. I've been meaning to do this for awhile, but never bothered. Anyway, since I've been on dz.com, a bunch of people have talked about military jumps and the kinds of parachutes, lowering lines and such. For those that have never seen this kind of equipment or jump, this photo may be helpful. You can see a paratrooper in the foreground preparing to land and PLF. Looking at the photo as a whole, you can see that there are a whole lot of people in the air and on the ground at the same time. IMHO, the photo is also just damned cool! Hooah! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kinney29 0 #2 October 3, 2002 Theirs nothing like jumping a round at 800' and hitting the ground like a ton of Bricks and then having some else land on you. Legging it can be just as painful. ^Go Big or Go Home^ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nacmacfeegle 0 #3 October 3, 2002 Kule snap Justin. The guy right in the middle appears to be trying very hard to steer that thing, not easy from my failing memory of 'sport' rounds..... Thanks for the snap tho.-------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fool 0 #4 October 3, 2002 quote] not easy from my failing memory of 'sport' rounds..... and those aren't even steerable rounds, so imagine how much fun he's having...leave plane, prepare for planet. S.E.X. party #1 "Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "f*#k, what a ride". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
narcimund 0 #5 October 3, 2002 Steering sport rounds is reasonable. The mods provide some drive and steering. ParaCommanders were amazingly maneuverable. You got good drive, quick turns, and even somewhat of a flare on landing. Experienced jumpers could even loop a PC. But these military rounds have no vents! Getting these things to shift around is damn near impossible! I had a reserve like these once... My one reserve ride I ended up in a tree. First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nacmacfeegle 0 #6 October 3, 2002 "mods" Bwaaahahaha..... You mean another hole....... To get more performance, you cut more holes..... Okay, it was a bit more sophisticted than that.....but it made me giggle anyways.-------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jfields 0 #7 October 3, 2002 QuoteBut these military rounds have no vents! Getting these things to shift around is damn near impossible! True. I think there is a different model of military round that does have better steering, but I only ever saw generals and stuff jumping them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brits17 0 #8 October 3, 2002 lol, yes it was only yesterday... "check canopy and gain canopy control!" "airborne!" hehe, hooah :) _______________________ aerialkinetics.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DENGOPHER 0 #9 October 3, 2002 cool pic. but i don't think i could ever jump a round.. i like to go the direction i want to and stand up when i land with out braking a leg... just jump!!! gopher Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jfields 0 #10 October 3, 2002 Quotewithout braking a leg I don't have numbers to back this up, but I'd bet that the rate of broken legs for military jumpers is lower than civilian skydivers on a breaks/1000 jumps ratio. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jdhill 0 #11 October 3, 2002 The jumper is preforming what is called a 2 riser slip... that is how one "flairs" a T-10... you grab the two risers oppoisite the direction of drift and pull them down as far as you can to slow your drift and land with a reduced amount of lateral movement... Slips can also be used to modify the direction of drift (by pulling one or two in a certain direction) the MC1 series is "steerable". It has a portion of the canopy removed (104 s.f. if I remember correctly) that gives the canopy 9.8 mph fwd speed and toggles that can cange the direction the canopy is facing... The landing suck on either canopy, especially with gear. JoshAll that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. - Edmund Burke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DENGOPHER 0 #12 October 3, 2002 you may be right but i don't try to make a 150 foot swoop every time i land eather... just jump!!! gopher Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steve1 5 #13 October 3, 2002 JFields, Nice photo. It brings back memories. I've never seen t-10's with the netting on the skirt before though. At least 25 years ago they didn't have it on military rigs. Is there a purpose for it? Special Forces used to have steerable t-10's. The early ones used to have a large round hole in back. When you pulled a couple of safety forks out, above your capewells, it would allow your risers to actually slip through the tops of your capewells for easier steering. Later we got chutes with a t-u modification and toggles. I'd love to go on a mass tactical jump again. Steve1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jdhill 0 #14 October 3, 2002 The netting is called an anti-inversion skirt... to keep the canopy from...uh... inverting.... no idea how it works.All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. - Edmund Burke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,090 #15 October 3, 2002 >I've never seen t-10's with the netting on the skirt before though. Anti-inversion netting. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weegegirl 2 #16 October 3, 2002 Looks like a whole load of jelly fish. I agree with everybody... I would never ever want to jump a round. How do they not get wrapped up together being so damned near each other and hard to stear? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jfields 0 #17 October 3, 2002 QuoteHow do they not get wrapped up together being so damned near each other and hard to stear? Rounds are generally pretty good at bouncing off people and other round parachutes. They also teach procedures for collisions and method of avoidance. "Slip to the right!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jdhill 0 #18 October 3, 2002 there is lots of bumping around on jumps like the one pictured... everyone is taught how to avoid getting tanggled. the speeds are fairly slow, so if a jumper is drifting towards another, the jumper first trys to slip away from the other jumper, if that does not work, they get big and try to bounce off the lines... not being able to steer is actually a benfit... everyone generally drifts the same direction. I have seen jumpers do leap frogs... slip over a canopy, loose inflation in their own canopy, drop on to the one below, then slid off the side and reinflate... then slip under the other canopy so the other guy gets to have some fun... just have to hope you are not too close to the ground when you slide off the side JoshAll that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. - Edmund Burke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #19 October 3, 2002 QuoteQuotewithout braking a leg I don't have numbers to back this up, but I'd bet that the rate of broken legs for military jumpers is lower than civilian skydivers on a breaks/1000 jumps ratio. the reason i decided id had enough of military static line was the day i went thru an operational planning class where we discussed the purpose of airborne ops. "arriving at your rally point while still maintaining 80% combat effectiveness." granted that is with full combat loads and assumes some ground fire, but still...i just didn’t like those odds. Q:is that pic from Purple Dragon 99' ?____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jfields 0 #20 October 3, 2002 QuoteQ:is that pic from Purple Dragon 99' ? I think it is the return from Panama, but I'm not positive. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Craig 0 #21 October 3, 2002 Thought I'd throw these in... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #22 October 3, 2002 Didn't you post these a while back or was it someone else? Some how I got them saved on my system from a few months ago...They ARE cool, though.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #23 October 3, 2002 Ya know what the scary part is. In that first pic there are guys still pretty damn high and looks like ALL of them have already lowered their equipment. I sure don't miss Army Mass Tacs. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Craig 0 #24 October 3, 2002 I think I might have posted them before Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
usmcdannyboy 0 #25 October 3, 2002 wow a mute reminder of the good/bad old days.but i sure do miss them to comment on the leg breaking issue i figured once you get one casuality every 1,000 jumpers (ie. broken leg, twisted vertibre,tree limb through a body part ect....) funny thing though i did 30 jumps with the military and never got so much as a scratch...i did however shatter my ankle on my 7th skydiveI am the light my son...What you seek is fire Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
