diverdriver 7 #1 October 22, 2002 Here is the link to the NTSB report. Cross posted in Incidents forum. http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id=20021021X05346&key=1Chris Schindler www.diverdriver.com ATP/D-19012 FB #4125 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tombuch 0 #2 October 22, 2002 There is also a good story about this accident on the homepage of Dropzone.com. If you get to the forums with a direct link, step back and check the home page.Tom Buchanan Instructor Emeritus Comm Pilot MSEL,G Author: JUMP! Skydiving Made Fun and Easy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diverdriver 7 #3 October 22, 2002 Sorry, I should have just pasted the text here also. Note the pilot was a private pilot. To all jump pilots out there. If your DZ makes ONE advertisement it is concidered a commercial operation. If ANY money is paid to the DZ (even if the pilot is not paid) the FAA has ruled that you MUST be a Commercial Pilot. Do not get yourself into trouble by "building hours" for free flying. If anything happens you will most likely get busted. And then where will your career go? There is nothing in this report that would indicate that being a Private Pilot had anything to do with causing this accident. BUT...any number of things could cause the FAA to come out unannounced and check for cridentials on a ramp check. Will you pass yours? NTSB Identification: SEA02LA184 Accident occurred Saturday, September 28, 2002 at Estacada, OR Aircraft:Cessna 182, registration: N5337B Injuries: 5 Uninjured. This is preliminary information, subject to change, and may contain errors. Any errors in this report will be corrected when the final report has been completed. On September 28, 2002, approximately 1845 Pacific daylight time, a Cessna 182, N5337B, impacted the terrain during an uncontrolled descent about three miles northwest of Estacada, Oregon. The private pilot and the four skydivers he took aloft were not injured, but the aircraft, which is owned and operated by Skydive Incorporated of Eagle Creek, Oregon, was destroyed. The 14 CFR Part 91 skydiving release flight, which departed Beaver Oaks Airport, Estacada, Oregon, about 15 minutes earlier, was being operated in visual meteorological conditions. No flight plan had been filed. There was no report of an ELT transmission. According to the pilot, after leveling at 10,500 feet above sea level (MSL), all four jumpers took their positions on the right exterior jump-step of the aircraft. Just after the last jumper was on the step, the parachute of one of the jumpers inadvertently deployed and streamed back into the aircraft's tail surfaces. Soon thereafter, the subject jumper separated himself from the deployed parachute, jumped from the aircraft, and opened his reserve chute. At about the same time, the other three jumpers also departed the aircraft. Although the pilot attempted to control the aircraft, he found that with the parachute wrapped around the tail surfaces, the aircraft did not respond to his movements of the control yoke. He therefore applied a small amount of right rudder in an attempt to separate the parachute from the aircraft, but the airplane responded by pitching nose down and entering an inverted spin. At that point, the pilot also jumped from the aircraft and successfully opened his parachute, and the aircraft continued to spin inverted until it impacted the terrain.Chris Schindler www.diverdriver.com ATP/D-19012 FB #4125 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
homer 0 #4 October 22, 2002 I don't know who all have been to Ralphs place but he is a great guy and host. I have yet to jump there only to looked at his huge selection of skydiving gear. He is also the owner of Western Parachute Sales. I was there just after the crash and although he lost a plane he was more worried about the jumpers and there emotional well being. My impression of his attitude was he still has 2 more C-182's and a beech, shit happens. CSA #699 Muff #3804 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michele 1 #5 October 22, 2002 Quote There is also a good story about this accident on the homepage of Dropzone.com. Why, thank you, Tom...I appreciate the compliment!Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GroundZero 0 #6 October 23, 2002 "Note the pilot was a private pilot." With a few thousand hours and a bunch of pilot type ratings beyond... private pilot, I'd only hope that I was able to do the same... Sounds like he did a fine job... And I assume that pointing out that he is a private pilot, you are trying to encourage the insurance company to do something other than pay... not to worry, Chris... there was no insurance. this loss is entirely falling on the owner and the jumpers who enjoyed the plane... I like the quick reports from the ntsb, we all like to see the story for educational purposes, but once again you point the "I'm better than that lowly pilot" finger with zero benefit to anyone but your own ego... Give it a break. Hope everyone's well and thank God no one was hurt... Godspeed in the DZ recovery, as a plane crash/incident can be almost as devastating as a fatality... Chris (Martin) Epaulets don't make a pilot... with additional ratings, would this pilot have chosen to land the aircraft? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
trmnljnky 0 #7 October 23, 2002 Quote My impression of his attitude was he still has 2 more C-182's and a beech, shit happens. that,s a beaverByron Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lippy 918 #8 October 23, 2002 A few bucks worth of spandex for a new BOC might just save an airplane. CHECK YOUR GEAR!!!!!I got nuthin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
indyz 1 #9 October 23, 2002 Quote"Note the pilot was a private pilot." With a few thousand hours and a bunch of pilot type ratings beyond... private pilot, I'd only hope that I was able to do the same... Sounds like he did a fine job... And I assume that pointing out that he is a private pilot, you are trying to encourage the insurance company to do something other than pay... not to worry, Chris... there was no insurance. this loss is entirely falling on the owner and the jumpers who enjoyed the plane... I like the quick reports from the ntsb, we all like to see the story for educational purposes, but once again you point the "I'm better than that lowly pilot" finger with zero benefit to anyone but your own ego... Give it a break. Hope everyone's well and thank God no one was hurt... Godspeed in the DZ recovery, as a plane crash/incident can be almost as devastating as a fatality... Chris (Martin) Epaulets don't make a pilot... with additional ratings, would this pilot have chosen to land the aircraft? I quote Chris (diverdriver): "There is nothing in this report that would indicate that being a Private Pilot had anything to do with causing this accident." I think DD was pointing out that a private pilot was flying for a commercial operation in clear violation of the FARs. By doing that he was risking not only his own ratings, but the business that he was flying the aircraft for. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diverdriver 7 #10 October 23, 2002 Taken to PM kindly by GZ. Edited to delete my post which after reading again was nothing but a personal attack. Sorry.Chris Schindler www.diverdriver.com ATP/D-19012 FB #4125 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
