Airhead 0 #1 October 23, 2002 I'm curious about some the similarities between the different diving-sports...Do you scuba AND sky dive? I know people (family included) who scuba. Can you compare for me, or tell me what's the appeal? Here is another cool quote from the mystery-adventure writer Nevada Barr's book, A Superior Death (pg. 68): "...Divers, the serious ones with a lot of dives to their credit, had a different way of looking at life. Not as if it were cheap -they strove to stay alive and risked a great deal to keep each other alive- but they seemed to grasp a connectedness that eluded most people, a sense that life and death were two parts of the same whole, like the crests and the valleys of a wave emerging from the same sea...This realization- if it was a realization- created as many behavior patterns as there were divers; from protective zealots...to hard-living, hard-drinking party divers..." Doesn't that excerpt remind you of skydivers, too?! Do you think it's the nature of high-risk sports that brings about certain behavior characteristics, OR is it the personalities that draws certain people to high-risk sports? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Hooknswoop 19 #2 October 23, 2002 QuoteI'm curious about some the similarities between the different diving-sports They are very similar, SCUBA is skydiving in slow motion. They are both 3-dimensional They both require different body movements to move around than on land (tracking, swimming) It is difficult to communicate w/ others, they both use hand signals, and if you are close and very loud you can hear a little They are both time-limited Altimeter/depthguage In both sports you are reliant on your gear to keep you alive If you run out of air in either sport, you are in very serious trouble Hook Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rhino 0 #3 October 23, 2002 Scuba diving is more dangerous in my opinion I do them both.. Dived in Cuba for 6 months and NEVER got certified!! DAMN!! I missed it!! Could have done it for 50 bucks.. LET THE FLAMING BEGIN... LOL Rhino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dayle 0 #4 October 23, 2002 Hey there, interesting post, I Scuba dive too but the only comparison that I can make between the two is that it's a different world. That applies to Skydiving as well as Scuba diving but they are sooo different. With Skydiving there is that rush you get when you leave the plane. You don't really get the adrenalin pumping that hard when you scuba dive. However in both cases your looking at the world through a different light. In the sky, you look around and are amazed by the beauty, its the same underwater but things are alot slower under the sea. The only time I get a rush scuba diving is when something unexpected or bad happens, eg a fish darts out and startles you or you look at your air gauge and its running out. The only thing that is exactly the same is when you have an emergency. In both sports you ahve to react quickly and decisively. Dayle Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Airhead 0 #5 October 23, 2002 Very interesting! I may try it out to take it up TOO come warm weather OR next year! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SpaghettiRulez 0 #6 October 23, 2002 whooops. No sky too high No sea too deep No muff too tough Triple divers rule! However, spaghetti rules more! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Airhead 0 #7 October 23, 2002 Both have their risks, but for some reason not being able to breath scares me on a completely different and primal kinda level...It seems easier and more natural to want to be like a bird than a fish! ...Ya know what I mean? But I want to be open to checking it out scuba-diving in the future. It's really surprising how many people are in both sports even though they seem so different, they must actually be really quite a lot a like! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kopelen 0 #8 October 23, 2002 All I know is that I love to do both and throw some rock and ice climbing in as well. what a hoot!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rhino 0 #9 October 23, 2002 Don't get me wrong.. Scuba diving kicks ass!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jfields 0 #10 October 23, 2002 I have done both, although I haven't been scuba diving in quite awhile. There are a lot of similarities. On the risk side... I have insurance that specifically covers skydiving. It costs me a surcharge of $2.50/$1000. I think scuba was an extra $5.00/$1000 and learning to be a private pilot was $10.00/$1000. If you believe the insurance actuaries, then skydiving is the least risky of the three. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kevin922 0 #11 October 23, 2002 Quote I'm curious about some the similarities between the different diving-sports...Do you scuba AND sky dive? I know people (family included) who scuba. Can you compare for me, or tell me what's the appeal? Here is another cool quote from the mystery-adventure writer Nevada Barr's book, A Superior Death (pg. 68): "...Divers, the serious ones with a lot of dives to their credit, had a different way of looking at life. Not as if it were cheap -they strove to stay alive and risked a great deal to keep each other alive- but they seemed to grasp a connectedness that eluded most people, a sense that life and death were two parts of the same whole, like the crests and the valleys of a wave emerging from the same sea...This realization- if it was a realization- created as many behavior patterns as there were divers; from protective zealots...to hard-living, hard-drinking party divers..." Doesn't that excerpt remind you of skydivers, too?! Do you think it's the nature of high-risk sports that brings about certain behavior characteristics, OR is it the personalities that draws certain people to high-risk sports? I met nevada barr.. she's pretty neat, I think she is from mississippi isn't she? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SpaghettiRulez 0 #12 October 23, 2002 I hate to post this crap, but S.C.U.B.A claims 1 in every 100,000 lives. Who the hell cares? You people sound like a bunch of wussies. Get off of your asses and do it! Do I hear Whuffo? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jfields 0 #13 October 23, 2002 Quote Get off of your asses and do it! Do I hear Whuffo? If I was really rude, I'd say something like, "Clean the wax outta yer ears, Newbie!" or "Who the F*&k you callin' a whuffo?" But I'm not. Just comparing statistics between scuba and skydiving. Not saying that either are bad or too dangerous. Next time, research before you post. If you'd looked, you would have known better. Unless of course I'm misinterpreting your post.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Galen 0 #14 October 23, 2002 Haven't gotten scuba certified yet but to me it seems that both the sky and underwater are like excusive playgrounds. Respect the Dolphin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Magistr8 0 #15 October 23, 2002 One of my friends in from Texas and I actually got into this last week when I was trying to get him to come and jump. After he agreed to do so, we started to compare the sport and yes they are very similar. Like the post before this that showed the similarities bewteen the alti/depth gauge rig and chute/fins and tank I was impressed when he told me he considered it more dangerous due to the "BENZ" at depths of 100 feet or so. Correct me if i'm wrong but you don't need to breath any oxygen or do any sort of pressure prep unless your over 20K right? Anyways, the freedom to be in an element so foreign to what we normally ecperience is the call to both. Underwater visibility is A LOT less but focuses on your sense of touch and intuition where as skydiving would seem to focus on sight and balance. Both also have the inherited freedom to do what ever comes to mind and at the same time feel relaxed and focused on only the task at hand. Hope this helps "Impossible is a word to be found only in the dictionary of fools." Napoleon Bonaparte Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites happythoughts 0 #16 October 23, 2002 A big advantage to scuba diving is that when I run out of air, I can goback up and get more. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jfields 0 #17 October 23, 2002 Quote Correct me if i'm wrong but you don't need to breath any oxygen or do any sort of pressure prep unless your over 20K right? I think the SIM/FARs say anything over 15k. I'd have to look it up though. Where is Bill Von when you need him? He could give a nice summation of hypoxia and nitrogen narcosis with a handy compare 'n contrast. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites happythoughts 0 #18 October 23, 2002 If you stay over 15K very long, you will feel a small amount of hypoxic effects.I have had a poorly fitting O2 mask on a high altitude (23K) ride. By 19K, your body will definitely let you know that it is missing the O2. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Magistr8 0 #19 October 23, 2002 I was thinking the same thing. I also have another buddy who does underwater welding. And he says that it is way more dangerous when you go underwater. He has been attacked by fish, squid and all other sorts of aquiatic life. He has been at it for a few months now after 1 year of training and likes skydiving better. I seem to be noticing a trend in the sports Car racing> "it's all about the speeds" Snowboarding> "It's all about style Basketball> "It's all about the hangtime" so completly true Syncronized swimming> "It's all about those few moments when it all comes together" It seems that skydiving has all these things. "Impossible is a word to be found only in the dictionary of fools." Napoleon Bonaparte Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SpaghettiRulez 0 #20 October 23, 2002 I did read the posts. Anyway, get the board out of your ass, SkyGod. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites howardwhite 6 #21 October 23, 2002 Don't confuse the FAR requirements for oxygen with the separate caution about skydiving after SCUBA diving. The former applies to everyone; the latter applies to divers who have nitrogen dissolved in their blood -- the deeper and longer, the more nitrogen. The bends occur when the nitrogen comes out of solution and creates bubbles in the blood which can cause painful or fatal blockages. Nitrogen Narcosis ("rapture of the deep") is another animal. It is a sort of drunken situation which occurs at depth. HW Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites goose491 0 #22 October 23, 2002 QuoteDo you scuba AND sky dive? Not at the same time! lol I got my 'open water' certification and have done a bit of SCUBA since.. One very valid similarity... SCUBA and SKY divers are both almost always broke! My Karma ran over my Dogma!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Magistr8 0 #23 October 23, 2002 Decompression and compression are one in the same really. You go to low you need to sit in a tank for 3-4 hours if you comes up to fast. You go to high you have to breathe Oxygen or the blood cells will decompress and be lacking nitrogen and Oxygen. IMHO these are just reciprocals of each other "Impossible is a word to be found only in the dictionary of fools." Napoleon Bonaparte Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites wmw999 2,584 #24 October 23, 2002 For me, at least, there's no comparison. I like skydiving a whole lot better than scuba. In fact, if offered the opportunity to go scuba diving or snorkeling, I'll take snorkeling just about every time. Of course, it might just be that I suck at neutral buoyancy, but I have enough sports that require lots of equipment and mechanical assistance. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jfields 0 #25 October 23, 2002 QuoteDon't confuse the FAR requirements for oxygen with the separate caution about skydiving after SCUBA diving. Howard, I'm not confusing the two. 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Hooknswoop 19 #2 October 23, 2002 QuoteI'm curious about some the similarities between the different diving-sports They are very similar, SCUBA is skydiving in slow motion. They are both 3-dimensional They both require different body movements to move around than on land (tracking, swimming) It is difficult to communicate w/ others, they both use hand signals, and if you are close and very loud you can hear a little They are both time-limited Altimeter/depthguage In both sports you are reliant on your gear to keep you alive If you run out of air in either sport, you are in very serious trouble Hook Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #3 October 23, 2002 Scuba diving is more dangerous in my opinion I do them both.. Dived in Cuba for 6 months and NEVER got certified!! DAMN!! I missed it!! Could have done it for 50 bucks.. LET THE FLAMING BEGIN... LOL Rhino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dayle 0 #4 October 23, 2002 Hey there, interesting post, I Scuba dive too but the only comparison that I can make between the two is that it's a different world. That applies to Skydiving as well as Scuba diving but they are sooo different. With Skydiving there is that rush you get when you leave the plane. You don't really get the adrenalin pumping that hard when you scuba dive. However in both cases your looking at the world through a different light. In the sky, you look around and are amazed by the beauty, its the same underwater but things are alot slower under the sea. The only time I get a rush scuba diving is when something unexpected or bad happens, eg a fish darts out and startles you or you look at your air gauge and its running out. The only thing that is exactly the same is when you have an emergency. In both sports you ahve to react quickly and decisively. Dayle Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Airhead 0 #5 October 23, 2002 Very interesting! I may try it out to take it up TOO come warm weather OR next year! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpaghettiRulez 0 #6 October 23, 2002 whooops. No sky too high No sea too deep No muff too tough Triple divers rule! However, spaghetti rules more! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Airhead 0 #7 October 23, 2002 Both have their risks, but for some reason not being able to breath scares me on a completely different and primal kinda level...It seems easier and more natural to want to be like a bird than a fish! ...Ya know what I mean? But I want to be open to checking it out scuba-diving in the future. It's really surprising how many people are in both sports even though they seem so different, they must actually be really quite a lot a like! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kopelen 0 #8 October 23, 2002 All I know is that I love to do both and throw some rock and ice climbing in as well. what a hoot!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #9 October 23, 2002 Don't get me wrong.. Scuba diving kicks ass!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jfields 0 #10 October 23, 2002 I have done both, although I haven't been scuba diving in quite awhile. There are a lot of similarities. On the risk side... I have insurance that specifically covers skydiving. It costs me a surcharge of $2.50/$1000. I think scuba was an extra $5.00/$1000 and learning to be a private pilot was $10.00/$1000. If you believe the insurance actuaries, then skydiving is the least risky of the three. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kevin922 0 #11 October 23, 2002 Quote I'm curious about some the similarities between the different diving-sports...Do you scuba AND sky dive? I know people (family included) who scuba. Can you compare for me, or tell me what's the appeal? Here is another cool quote from the mystery-adventure writer Nevada Barr's book, A Superior Death (pg. 68): "...Divers, the serious ones with a lot of dives to their credit, had a different way of looking at life. Not as if it were cheap -they strove to stay alive and risked a great deal to keep each other alive- but they seemed to grasp a connectedness that eluded most people, a sense that life and death were two parts of the same whole, like the crests and the valleys of a wave emerging from the same sea...This realization- if it was a realization- created as many behavior patterns as there were divers; from protective zealots...to hard-living, hard-drinking party divers..." Doesn't that excerpt remind you of skydivers, too?! Do you think it's the nature of high-risk sports that brings about certain behavior characteristics, OR is it the personalities that draws certain people to high-risk sports? I met nevada barr.. she's pretty neat, I think she is from mississippi isn't she? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpaghettiRulez 0 #12 October 23, 2002 I hate to post this crap, but S.C.U.B.A claims 1 in every 100,000 lives. Who the hell cares? You people sound like a bunch of wussies. Get off of your asses and do it! Do I hear Whuffo? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jfields 0 #13 October 23, 2002 Quote Get off of your asses and do it! Do I hear Whuffo? If I was really rude, I'd say something like, "Clean the wax outta yer ears, Newbie!" or "Who the F*&k you callin' a whuffo?" But I'm not. Just comparing statistics between scuba and skydiving. Not saying that either are bad or too dangerous. Next time, research before you post. If you'd looked, you would have known better. Unless of course I'm misinterpreting your post.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Galen 0 #14 October 23, 2002 Haven't gotten scuba certified yet but to me it seems that both the sky and underwater are like excusive playgrounds. Respect the Dolphin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Magistr8 0 #15 October 23, 2002 One of my friends in from Texas and I actually got into this last week when I was trying to get him to come and jump. After he agreed to do so, we started to compare the sport and yes they are very similar. Like the post before this that showed the similarities bewteen the alti/depth gauge rig and chute/fins and tank I was impressed when he told me he considered it more dangerous due to the "BENZ" at depths of 100 feet or so. Correct me if i'm wrong but you don't need to breath any oxygen or do any sort of pressure prep unless your over 20K right? Anyways, the freedom to be in an element so foreign to what we normally ecperience is the call to both. Underwater visibility is A LOT less but focuses on your sense of touch and intuition where as skydiving would seem to focus on sight and balance. Both also have the inherited freedom to do what ever comes to mind and at the same time feel relaxed and focused on only the task at hand. Hope this helps "Impossible is a word to be found only in the dictionary of fools." Napoleon Bonaparte Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #16 October 23, 2002 A big advantage to scuba diving is that when I run out of air, I can goback up and get more. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jfields 0 #17 October 23, 2002 Quote Correct me if i'm wrong but you don't need to breath any oxygen or do any sort of pressure prep unless your over 20K right? I think the SIM/FARs say anything over 15k. I'd have to look it up though. Where is Bill Von when you need him? He could give a nice summation of hypoxia and nitrogen narcosis with a handy compare 'n contrast. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #18 October 23, 2002 If you stay over 15K very long, you will feel a small amount of hypoxic effects.I have had a poorly fitting O2 mask on a high altitude (23K) ride. By 19K, your body will definitely let you know that it is missing the O2. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Magistr8 0 #19 October 23, 2002 I was thinking the same thing. I also have another buddy who does underwater welding. And he says that it is way more dangerous when you go underwater. He has been attacked by fish, squid and all other sorts of aquiatic life. He has been at it for a few months now after 1 year of training and likes skydiving better. I seem to be noticing a trend in the sports Car racing> "it's all about the speeds" Snowboarding> "It's all about style Basketball> "It's all about the hangtime" so completly true Syncronized swimming> "It's all about those few moments when it all comes together" It seems that skydiving has all these things. "Impossible is a word to be found only in the dictionary of fools." Napoleon Bonaparte Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpaghettiRulez 0 #20 October 23, 2002 I did read the posts. Anyway, get the board out of your ass, SkyGod. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
howardwhite 6 #21 October 23, 2002 Don't confuse the FAR requirements for oxygen with the separate caution about skydiving after SCUBA diving. The former applies to everyone; the latter applies to divers who have nitrogen dissolved in their blood -- the deeper and longer, the more nitrogen. The bends occur when the nitrogen comes out of solution and creates bubbles in the blood which can cause painful or fatal blockages. Nitrogen Narcosis ("rapture of the deep") is another animal. It is a sort of drunken situation which occurs at depth. HW Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
goose491 0 #22 October 23, 2002 QuoteDo you scuba AND sky dive? Not at the same time! lol I got my 'open water' certification and have done a bit of SCUBA since.. One very valid similarity... SCUBA and SKY divers are both almost always broke! My Karma ran over my Dogma!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Magistr8 0 #23 October 23, 2002 Decompression and compression are one in the same really. You go to low you need to sit in a tank for 3-4 hours if you comes up to fast. You go to high you have to breathe Oxygen or the blood cells will decompress and be lacking nitrogen and Oxygen. IMHO these are just reciprocals of each other "Impossible is a word to be found only in the dictionary of fools." Napoleon Bonaparte Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,584 #24 October 23, 2002 For me, at least, there's no comparison. I like skydiving a whole lot better than scuba. In fact, if offered the opportunity to go scuba diving or snorkeling, I'll take snorkeling just about every time. Of course, it might just be that I suck at neutral buoyancy, but I have enough sports that require lots of equipment and mechanical assistance. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jfields 0 #25 October 23, 2002 QuoteDon't confuse the FAR requirements for oxygen with the separate caution about skydiving after SCUBA diving. Howard, I'm not confusing the two. Just musing that someone could do an interesting contrast between nitrogen narcosis and hypoxia, even among people that only do one of the two activities. Obviously, there are special circumstances and dangers of doing both in the wrong order. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
