skreamer 1 #1 October 30, 2002 Read this Anybody who thinks Iraq will be invaded for any reason other than oil is delusional. Dubya has a recession on his hands. One way to get out of recession is to go to war, the other is to find cheaper oil - why not combine the two? Still makes me a bit sick though that the oil companies are already squabbling about how the pie is going to be divided. Will Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
miked10270 0 #2 October 30, 2002 Who was it said: "War is nothing more than armed robbery writ large" They've got it, we want it, and let's face it, there's nothing like a successful war to guarantee re-election. Mike D10270. Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable. Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #3 October 30, 2002 It is very apparent where you all get you information..........ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN. Buy the way, did you have the same opinion when Clinton bombed a factory??? Disgusting"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nacmacfeegle 0 #4 October 30, 2002 "Anybody who thinks Iraq will be invaded for any reason other than oil is delusional." Aw man, you got me doing it again.....I'm agreeing with you ya freakin' Boer...I fell out with half the US trying to make this point since, oooh lets see now...last november..... -------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
goose491 0 #5 October 30, 2002 Quote Read this Anybody who thinks Iraq will be invaded for any reason other than oil is delusional. Dubya has a recession on his hands. One way to get out of recession is to go to war, the other is to find cheaper oil - why not combine the two? Still makes me a bit sick though that the oil companies are already squabbling about how the pie is going to be divided. Will It's amazing really. I don't think, at the beginning of WW1, the American people could say they had the sam level of understanding of the 'behind the scenes' activities as we do now... Same goes for WW2! All people fell victim to propaganda and went with their governments... Third times a charm eh? At this rate, my grandchildrens history classes will teach them that the 'Crazies' of the Middle East started WW3 by attacking the great towers of New York!!! My Karma ran over my Dogma!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #6 October 30, 2002 Quote One way to get out of recession is to go to war Not if the USA (we the taxpayers)has to pay for all of it.The other thing that pisses me off is how Dubya tried to make a case for war vs. Iraq by saying that Saddam & Al Quaeda were working together. Turns out that Saddam & Osama hate each other. Bush lied in order to garner support for war vs. Iraq. Geez, we spent two years cutting Clinton a new asshole for lying about a blowjob. Dubya lies to get us to support getting involved in a frickin' WAR and no one bats an eye. And the war vs. Al Quaida in Eastern Afghanistan is NOT over, so why not focus on that until we weed out at least the Al Quaeda leadership? Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #7 October 30, 2002 Quote At this rate, my grandchildrens history classes will teach them that the 'Crazies' of the Middle East started WW3 by attacking the great towers of New York!!! So you're saying that history is misleading propaganda and Hitler was actually an OK guy just trying to get his country back on its feet after a bad depression?--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
blewaway5 0 #8 October 30, 2002 You said it. The winners get to decide exactly how history happened. I guess we dumb masses just need to be spoon fed the "proper" version of reality. Ahhh, life. Ain't it grand. Truman Sparks for President Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
goose491 0 #9 October 30, 2002 Quote ...by saying that Saddam & Al Quaeda were working together. Turns out that Saddam & Osama hate each other. I've never heard that they hate eachother... Where did you get this from? My Karma ran over my Dogma!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nacmacfeegle 0 #10 October 30, 2002 "Hitler was actually an OK guy just trying to get his country back on its feet" Aye you've got to give Hitler his dues.....(edited to add smiley in case anyone misses the pun..) -------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #11 October 30, 2002 Quote The winners get to decide exactly how history happened No, in the past few hundred years, all you have to do is try and you'll find all sorts of sources for the other side's perspective. I've done it in my research quite a bit (I'm a historian), looking at many sources to see the other side. The comments slamming historians/history are obviously made out of ignorance.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #12 October 30, 2002 Quote Aye you've got to give Hitler his dues..... I have before, actually, he really did turn his country around and he had a gift for motivating large groups of people. He was a very intelligent and driven man who pushed to get what he wanted. Too bad that one of those things was to take over Europe, slaughter a ton of people and kill over 6 million Jews...--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nacmacfeegle 0 #13 October 30, 2002 Dave, its a pun, dues/jews..... -------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skreamer 1 #14 October 30, 2002 Quote Not if the USA (we the taxpayers)has to pay for all of it. WWII was the most *expensive* war the US tax-payer had to pay for. This war helped kick-start the US economy and led to the boom in the 50's. War is definitely good for business (so long as you win of course... ). Will Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #15 October 30, 2002 Ahh...eitherway, what I said was walid and true. --"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nacmacfeegle 0 #16 October 30, 2002 Oh yes, vhat you said was wery walid, as alvays.....hehehe -------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #17 October 30, 2002 Quote Oh yes, vhat you said was wery walid, as alvays.....hehehe I just can't win today...--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nacmacfeegle 0 #18 October 30, 2002 Biff the alarm clock, roll over and go back to sleep, the world will be whole lot nicer after your 'false start'. -------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #19 October 30, 2002 Quote This war helped kick-start the US economy and led to the boom in the 50's. War is definitely good for business (so long as you win of course ummm. not always. Economically, war is the equivalent of eating refined sugar...It can jump start the economy in the short run, but war costs a lot of money & causes massive budget deficits. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #20 October 30, 2002 Quote Biff the alarm clock, roll over and go back to sleep, the world will be whole lot nicer after your 'false start' The problem is that this is my second start, my false start was at 6am, that didn't happen...Off to Starfucks for a triple grande non-fat no-whip mocha...that always helps.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
goose491 0 #21 October 30, 2002 Quote Quote The winners get to decide exactly how history happened No, in the past few hundred years, all you have to do is try and you'll find all sorts of sources for the other side's perspective. I've done it in my research quite a bit (I'm a historian), looking at many sources to see the other side. The comments slamming historians/history are obviously made out of ignorance. Slamming historians? Dave! Boo to that! We are just commenting on the fact that there are even more than two sides to the (his)story! You've done quite a bit of research (comendable) to prove just that! And I'm not saying Hitler was 'an okay guy' (though for all I know...) I've read his book and think he had a few screws loose. All I'm saying is nobody knows the real motives behind any violent act... I'm sure you will agree with me on three things Dave, 1)There are many versions of the same stories but 'history' could only have happened one way 2) Differing sides of a war say the other is the bad guy . 3) History repeats itself My Karma ran over my Dogma!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #22 October 30, 2002 Quote ummm. not always. Economically, war is the equivalent of eating refined sugar...It can jump start the economy in the short run, but war costs a lot of money & causes massive budget deficits. The swing after the Cold War is a good example, it swung up, giving us the economy of the late '90s, but now that its swinging back, we're hurting. Something like the economy is too complex with too many variables to pin its success or failure on a single cause or person.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest #23 October 30, 2002 Quote Quote Not if the USA (we the taxpayers)has to pay for all of it. WWII was the most *expensive* war the US tax-payer had to pay for. This war helped kick-start the US economy and led to the boom in the 50's. War is definitely good for business (so long as you win of course... ). Will Only because our country was the only major nation not on its knees at the end of the war. The others were completely destroyed. This crap about starting a war to end a recession is hooey. The US isn't in a recession. Economic growth is small, but it's there. And no country ever spent itself into prosperity. That being said, I think that singling out Iraq for special attention is silly. I may have misread the reports, but according to what I've recently read, even the CIA says Saddam Hussein isn't a threat. Personally, I think we should just sit back and let him do whatever he wants."The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jfields 0 #24 October 30, 2002 Quote Economically, war is the equivalent of eating refined sugar...It can jump start the economy in the short run, but war costs a lot of money & causes massive budget deficits. Depends. [Sarcastic cynicism] We just need to be more selective in who/what we fight. We need to use cheap non-selective bombs to blow up the Chinese factories making inexpensive consumer goods that flood our country and undercut our factories. Bombing Japanese car factories would also be a pretty good move, to reduce the flood of damned inexpensive reliable imports and spur economic rebound in Detroit. While we are at it, we should bomb lots of high-tech weapons sites in hostile countries, so we can sell them replacement parts at inflated prices. [/Sarcastic cynicism] Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nacmacfeegle 0 #25 October 30, 2002 Bwaaahahaha Justin, quality sarcasm, tinged with some top shelf cynicism, my kind of post! All you need is a little irony... Aren't we all missing the point here, war is horribly expensive in terms of human life....The dollar value on the destruction pales to insignificance compared to the human cost surely?????....-------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
