blackwidow 0 #1 November 4, 2002 I'm sure this has been covered in other posts, but here's my 2 cents: I'm not sure that the women only forum is good or not. Not because I'm going to be some asshole to say something like, "Where's the MEN ONLY FORUM?" but more because when I got into skydiving my wife was involved in it with me and one of the things that I liked most about Skydiving is that there wasn't a huge gender gap. There wasn't the, "guys are better than girls," feeling that you get in a lot of other sports. It seemed to me looking in as a newcomer that ladies could do anything as well as guys in Skydiving, except maybe break as many leg bones. I'm worried that the WOMEN ONLY FORUM may encourage gender separation. What do you think??? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #2 November 4, 2002 Go read the threads there, some are very good, like the gear thread, which guys will never fully understand. I know I won't, my biggest problem was getting gear to jump that would fit my 50" chest...--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TequilaGirl 0 #3 November 4, 2002 I don't think it will cause any gender seperation......but if continues at this rate - it's named should be changed to the Women's Whining Forum.........No offense ladies - but I am seeing a trend in the threads - and I don't much care for it....... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #4 November 4, 2002 Quote I'm worried that the WOMEN ONLY FORUM may encourage gender separation. What do you think??? There is a lot of women's records and women-only competitions. I don't think they have had any divisive effect. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #5 November 4, 2002 Spend some more time around a DZ... women are often treated like they know nothing and need coaching on every jump despite the fact they can kick most of their coaches rears flying. They face totally unique things in the sport that no guy has to deal with. The not ever seeing the handels is one such issue. Most single male jumpers say they only want to date a female jumper and not a whuffo... but they only make up 15% of the sport. Thats a lot of sexual advances they have to withstand they guys never do. Would you be ok with your wife heading to a major boogie with out you? They need a fourm to express such things... sit back and lurk with your wife and it might open your eyes to a lot of things that would have gotten over looked. Once I started dating Jessica... it opened my eyes.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #6 November 4, 2002 Quote Would you be ok with your wife heading to a major boogie with out you? Is there another one the same weekend? Seriously, I now am beginning to think twice about dating chicks that skydive. I think it would worry me to death. I know someone that lost an SO in a skydiving accident and I'm not all that sure I would want to deal with that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lolie 0 #7 November 4, 2002 Quote if continues at this rate - it's named should be changed to the Women's Whining Forum.........No offense ladies - but I am seeing a trend in the threads - and I don't much care for it....... Yeah, I'll second that. Although I'll admit that if I knew more of the women here IRL, I might whine more in it. I just don't really read those threads. The gear and tracking info is great, though. You win some, you lose some. I'll take what I can get. -Miranda you shall above all things be glad and young / For if you're young,whatever life you wear it will become you;and if you are glad / whatever's living will yourself become. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
goose491 0 #8 November 4, 2002 QuoteSpend some more time around a DZ... women are often treated like they know nothing and need coaching on every jump despite the fact they can kick most of their coaches rears flying. This is a generalization... I would have to say the women at my DZ are treated fairly and equally there just aren't enough of them. I just looked in the women only forums and one thread caught my eye "Breasts and Tracking"... Look at the first lines in this one... QuoteOK, I've been thinking about this for a while and a women-only room gave me an excuse to do it without worrying about all the immature relplies. This forum gives the ladies a change to bring these things up without hassle.. You see, the men are not prohibited from posting there. They just can't burst into "breasts and tracking" with a one-linner like BOOBIES! Anyway, I'd say "where's the Men Only forum" if the sport was divided up 50-50 but it isn't. If fact, as Phree said: Quote to date a female jumper and not a whuffo... but they only make up 15% of the sport. My Karma ran over my Dogma!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #9 November 4, 2002 Quotebut if continues at this rate - it's named should be changed to the Women's Whining Forum I'm all for a women's forum, I've been lurking (and posting a couple questions about gear) and its getting some really good info out there. But it does look like it could spiral into becoming a really bad Oprah episode.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
clrarch 0 #10 November 4, 2002 I've been happy to see the threads about tracking and gear. When I mentioned not being able to see my handles and emergency procedures there were some great replies posted. I thought it was cool I could bring it up in that forum...I probably could have brought it up in Safety and Training as well, though....although there probably would have been more "boobies" posts Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skybytch 273 #11 November 4, 2002 TG and Lolie - could you be specific as to which threads/posts you feel are whiney? Cuz I don't see it and I've been reading pretty much every post in there. You can PM me if you'd rather not post it. Thanks! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
blackwidow 0 #12 November 4, 2002 QuoteWould you be ok with your wife heading to a major boogie with out you? Quote I don't think we would go to a boogie without each other, for other reasons. But in the event that she were to go alone, she's a big girl, and can take care of herself. I do agree that there is a sexual tension issue. I watched it go on with a girl that is my friend at our DZ and some of the guys and JMs. But I'm not sure how much is caused and how much was asked for. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skybytch 273 #13 November 4, 2002 Quote watched it go on with a girl that is my friend at our DZ and some of the guys and JMs. But I'm not sure how much is caused and how much was asked for. Asked for? By whom? How? By wearing certain clothes? Acting in a certain way? "Of course she wants us all to bone her; look at how she's dressed!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites blackwidow 0 #14 November 4, 2002 QuoteAsked for? By whom? How? By wearing certain clothes? Acting in a certain way? Yeah, by acting a certain way. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites quade 4 #15 November 4, 2002 Quote"Of course she wants us all to bone her; look at how she's dressed!" (stirring the pot -just- a little) Geeze, maybe you're right -- I mean we all know how conservatively hookers dress, right? If a woman doesn't want to be looked at as "sexy" and doesn't want to be hit on, then . . . she -should- dress in a way that doesn't attract too much attention. I find it difficult to believe that any woman knowingly walks into a location populated by at least 85% males without taking this into consideration one way or the other.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skybytch 273 #16 November 4, 2002 QuoteYeah, by acting a certain way. More details would be nice... She was laying naked in the middle of the packing area saying "take me"? Or was she just flirting (which, btw, many women do without it meaning that we want to do the nasty with whoever we are flirting with - in person and online)? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites wmw999 2,588 #17 November 4, 2002 Which certain way? And how do you know that they're asking for it, and you're not just inferring that from what you think? How do you know they're not just kind of clueless? As an aside: I grew up in Brazil. The person-to-person distance there is much shorter than the person-to-person distance in the US. I came here to go to college, and found all the guys hitting on me because of that. After all, I was blonde, 17, and standing about 12" away from people when I spoke with them. Was I asking for it? What would a guy be justified in doing in response? Wendy W. There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AggieDave 6 #18 November 4, 2002 Wasn't there a thread about this sort of thing a while back, talking about how a good majority of women dress for comfort at the DZ, not worrying about hair/make-up/etc?--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites freeflir29 0 #19 November 4, 2002 Quote Asked for? By whom? How? By wearing certain clothes? Acting in a certain way? I have seen girls that did "ask" for it. Others that didn't. Give me a break....a good looking girl that walks onto a DZ is going to get attention. I mean...c'mon...we're skydivers. As far as I have seen it's normally in their favor. They get free coaching, video, maybe even pay $76 for a brand new rig. (You know who you are.) It just usually comes down to whether or not they handle all the attention gracefully. Some do...some don't. I know that so far...anyway. I have tried to be EXTRA careful around these types by being nice without being pushy. I almost fucked up Saturday night but luckily someone saved me. Whoever you are...THANK YOU. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PLFXpert 0 #20 November 4, 2002 Quote There wasn't the, "guys are better than girls," feeling that you get in a lot of other sports. Yea, b/c the girls are better than guys. Ha ha ha! I'm just teasing...Brannan is in for it now, now that we just realized we knew each other formerly. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PLFXpert 0 #21 November 4, 2002 QuoteWould you be ok with your wife heading to a major boogie with out you? Ha ha ha! My boyfriend has already said 100 x if I weren't a skydiver, he'd NEVER bring me around the DZ. Ha ha ha. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AggieDave 6 #22 November 4, 2002 QuoteYea, b/c the girls are better than guys I know quite a few girls that are a HELL of a lot better skydiver then I am, of course, thats not saying too much, but they are much better in the air then I am.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Lolie 0 #23 November 4, 2002 Quote If a woman doesn't want to be looked at as "sexy" and doesn't want to be hit on, then . . . she -should- dress in a way that doesn't attract too much attention. I find it difficult to believe that any woman knowingly walks into a location populated by at least 85% males without taking this into consideration one way or the other. Personally, I agree, quade. When I dress in a revealing way, I'm not offended when a guy looks me up and down. (That's why I dress that way! ) And when I don't feel like being checked out by a guy, I usually just throw on some jeans and a sweatshirt. (And maybe it's just me, but I don't mind it when guys look at me; I find it flattering. -Miranda you shall above all things be glad and young / For if you're young,whatever life you wear it will become you;and if you are glad / whatever's living will yourself become. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skybytch 273 #24 November 4, 2002 Quoteshe -should- dress in a way that doesn't attract too much attention. I call bullshit. Women should dress in a way that makes them comfortable - that's what guys do right? So if I don't want guys to notice me, I should take a cue from radical Islam and cover myself completely? If a guy can't control himself in the presence of a woman wearing shorts and a bra top then perhaps he needs to do some serious growing up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites happythoughts 0 #25 November 4, 2002 Quote Quote "Of course she wants us all to bone her; look at how she's dressed!" (stirring the pot -just- a little) Geeze, maybe you're right -- I mean we all know how conservatively hookers dress, right? If a woman doesn't want to be looked at as "sexy" and doesn't want to be hit on, then . . . she -should- dress in a way that doesn't attract too much attention. I find it difficult to believe that any woman knowingly walks into a location populated by at least 85% males without taking this into consideration one way or the other. Geez, Quade, you are such a sexist pig. And terribly un-PC I might add. Everyone knows that women are just "unaware" that of what they wear and its effect, otherwise there would be more of a fashion industry. Wearing a low-cut bodysuit in cold weather is just being "comfy". Do we have to send you to the re-education camp? Personal admission - men are pigs. 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skybytch 273 #13 November 4, 2002 Quote watched it go on with a girl that is my friend at our DZ and some of the guys and JMs. But I'm not sure how much is caused and how much was asked for. Asked for? By whom? How? By wearing certain clothes? Acting in a certain way? "Of course she wants us all to bone her; look at how she's dressed!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
blackwidow 0 #14 November 4, 2002 QuoteAsked for? By whom? How? By wearing certain clothes? Acting in a certain way? Yeah, by acting a certain way. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #15 November 4, 2002 Quote"Of course she wants us all to bone her; look at how she's dressed!" (stirring the pot -just- a little) Geeze, maybe you're right -- I mean we all know how conservatively hookers dress, right? If a woman doesn't want to be looked at as "sexy" and doesn't want to be hit on, then . . . she -should- dress in a way that doesn't attract too much attention. I find it difficult to believe that any woman knowingly walks into a location populated by at least 85% males without taking this into consideration one way or the other.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skybytch 273 #16 November 4, 2002 QuoteYeah, by acting a certain way. More details would be nice... She was laying naked in the middle of the packing area saying "take me"? Or was she just flirting (which, btw, many women do without it meaning that we want to do the nasty with whoever we are flirting with - in person and online)? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,588 #17 November 4, 2002 Which certain way? And how do you know that they're asking for it, and you're not just inferring that from what you think? How do you know they're not just kind of clueless? As an aside: I grew up in Brazil. The person-to-person distance there is much shorter than the person-to-person distance in the US. I came here to go to college, and found all the guys hitting on me because of that. After all, I was blonde, 17, and standing about 12" away from people when I spoke with them. Was I asking for it? What would a guy be justified in doing in response? Wendy W. There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #18 November 4, 2002 Wasn't there a thread about this sort of thing a while back, talking about how a good majority of women dress for comfort at the DZ, not worrying about hair/make-up/etc?--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #19 November 4, 2002 Quote Asked for? By whom? How? By wearing certain clothes? Acting in a certain way? I have seen girls that did "ask" for it. Others that didn't. Give me a break....a good looking girl that walks onto a DZ is going to get attention. I mean...c'mon...we're skydivers. As far as I have seen it's normally in their favor. They get free coaching, video, maybe even pay $76 for a brand new rig. (You know who you are.) It just usually comes down to whether or not they handle all the attention gracefully. Some do...some don't. I know that so far...anyway. I have tried to be EXTRA careful around these types by being nice without being pushy. I almost fucked up Saturday night but luckily someone saved me. Whoever you are...THANK YOU. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PLFXpert 0 #20 November 4, 2002 Quote There wasn't the, "guys are better than girls," feeling that you get in a lot of other sports. Yea, b/c the girls are better than guys. Ha ha ha! I'm just teasing...Brannan is in for it now, now that we just realized we knew each other formerly. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PLFXpert 0 #21 November 4, 2002 QuoteWould you be ok with your wife heading to a major boogie with out you? Ha ha ha! My boyfriend has already said 100 x if I weren't a skydiver, he'd NEVER bring me around the DZ. Ha ha ha. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #22 November 4, 2002 QuoteYea, b/c the girls are better than guys I know quite a few girls that are a HELL of a lot better skydiver then I am, of course, thats not saying too much, but they are much better in the air then I am.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lolie 0 #23 November 4, 2002 Quote If a woman doesn't want to be looked at as "sexy" and doesn't want to be hit on, then . . . she -should- dress in a way that doesn't attract too much attention. I find it difficult to believe that any woman knowingly walks into a location populated by at least 85% males without taking this into consideration one way or the other. Personally, I agree, quade. When I dress in a revealing way, I'm not offended when a guy looks me up and down. (That's why I dress that way! ) And when I don't feel like being checked out by a guy, I usually just throw on some jeans and a sweatshirt. (And maybe it's just me, but I don't mind it when guys look at me; I find it flattering. -Miranda you shall above all things be glad and young / For if you're young,whatever life you wear it will become you;and if you are glad / whatever's living will yourself become. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skybytch 273 #24 November 4, 2002 Quoteshe -should- dress in a way that doesn't attract too much attention. I call bullshit. Women should dress in a way that makes them comfortable - that's what guys do right? So if I don't want guys to notice me, I should take a cue from radical Islam and cover myself completely? If a guy can't control himself in the presence of a woman wearing shorts and a bra top then perhaps he needs to do some serious growing up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #25 November 4, 2002 Quote Quote "Of course she wants us all to bone her; look at how she's dressed!" (stirring the pot -just- a little) Geeze, maybe you're right -- I mean we all know how conservatively hookers dress, right? If a woman doesn't want to be looked at as "sexy" and doesn't want to be hit on, then . . . she -should- dress in a way that doesn't attract too much attention. I find it difficult to believe that any woman knowingly walks into a location populated by at least 85% males without taking this into consideration one way or the other. Geez, Quade, you are such a sexist pig. And terribly un-PC I might add. Everyone knows that women are just "unaware" that of what they wear and its effect, otherwise there would be more of a fashion industry. Wearing a low-cut bodysuit in cold weather is just being "comfy". Do we have to send you to the re-education camp? Personal admission - men are pigs. I am their king. If your are advertising, I'm buyin'. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
