quade 4 #1 November 23, 2002 http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/11/22/alqaeda.capture/index.html Ok, so let me get this straight . . . We capture a high level Al Qaeda member and begin to get some useful information from him, then we tell the freekin' media about it so the terrorists can have time to move and change their plans?!? What kind of stupids are running things over at the FBI?quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kmcguffee 0 #2 November 23, 2002 It was not the FBI's decision to announce his capture. There are certain politicians that wanted his capture announced in order to prove that progress is being made in the war on terror. I don't agree with the decision but I do understand the motivation. "Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain and most fools do." Ben Franklin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #3 November 23, 2002 QuoteThere are certain politicians that wanted his capture announced in order to prove that progress is being made in the war on terror. Stupid, stupid move. I'm guessing these guys also touch a lot of pieces before they make their move when playing chess.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jtval 0 #4 November 23, 2002 Bill,(oops, I saw the green and the topic and immediately though of BILLVON) hahah! I meant QUADE Com'on!! did you ever really have faith in the intelligence agencies in the first place?My photos My Videos Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ramon 0 #5 November 23, 2002 Not sure if they released the data before or After Putin brazingly asked Bush, "Where is Osama?""Revolution is an abrupt change in the form of misgovernment.", Ambrose Bierce. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kmcguffee 0 #6 November 23, 2002 QuoteNot sure if they released the data before or After Putin brazingly asked Bush, "Where is Osama?" LOL, he should have said, in Chechnya you stupid f**k! "Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain and most fools do." Ben Franklin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michele 1 #7 November 23, 2002 If I understand the situation, he was captured something like 12-13 days ago. Pretty much all the intel which is gonna be gotten has been. Yes, it's interesting, and the spin which is being put on it is "it lets them know the noose is closing", but, well, that's what the Hellfire early this month did. Right? Here's a sobering thought. What if there were terrorist plans in place for November 23, and by releasing his name, AQ now have to scramble to re-establish their plan, or even make new ones? That will buy some time, wouldn't it? I can't begin to understand why the name was released, but I am pretty sure it wasn't the Feeb's decision. What I am interested in is which country he was captured in, and where he's being held...my bet is Yemen...the new Kuwait. Ciels- Michele (Edited to correct info as Quatorze indicated!) ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jtval 0 #8 November 23, 2002 I think I heard somewhere that Osama Is trading on Wallstreet now! Yup! he shaved his facial follicles and is enjoying the freedom in america. right where they would look last!My photos My Videos Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,111 #9 November 23, 2002 >I think I heard somewhere that Osama Is trading on Wallstreet now! Yeah, I heard he owns Snapple, too. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,111 #10 November 23, 2002 >What kind of stupids are running things over at the FBI? The same stupids who now have a lot more freedom to wiretap pretty much anyone they want, and hack into someone's PC without so many pesky requirements for court orders and such. All in the name of national security of course. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #11 November 23, 2002 Quote . . . and by releasing his name, AQ now have to scramble to re-establish their plan, or even make new ones? If you knew where the enemy was going to attempt to strike on a particular date, I would think you could put plans in place to not only stop that from happening, but to capture them as well. Sure, they might just decide to go to plan "B" and blow themselves (and some of our guys) up, but that's a hell of a lot better than letting them make new plans which you'd have no intel on -- isn't it?quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jtval 0 #12 November 23, 2002 rook to que...no bishop to king fou..wait wait wait. "what is your next move? i dunno what i wanna do yet!"My photos My Videos Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #13 November 23, 2002 A good chess player can think a few moves ahead. A -great- chess player already knows what end-game he wants to use before the game begins.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jtval 0 #14 November 23, 2002 yes but a spolied sport will knock all of the peices over! HAHA! there's always an expection to the rule! (what does that mean? I'm not sure) My photos My Videos Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michele 1 #15 November 23, 2002 Quote A good chess player can think a few moves ahead. A -great- chess player already knows what end-game he wants to use before the game begins. And an excellent chess player can switch it up and be flexible as the need arises.... Quote Sure, they might just decide to go to plan "B" and blow themselves (and some of our guys) up, What if that's plan A instead, and there is nothing which can be done to stop them in reality, but a head-fake, if taken, is as good as a gotcha, inasmuch as they will believe we know and can defend, but we really can't, so they don't carry it through... I dunno, I'm just saying that there may (and likely is) far more to what's going on than we know, even as informed and intelligent as we believe ourselves to be. I find it far more interesting that he will not be deported, and remains in an unnamed country. That speaks volumes to me. I'm just not sure what it's saying. Like I said, I dunno...and I'm not claiming that the Feebs are brilliant tacticians, either. I'm just saying there may be things here we don't/won't/can't know, and that those factor in. We only get the end product, you know? We're not in on the production line.... Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kmcguffee 0 #16 November 23, 2002 You know, the FBI is currently hiring. You guys could do a whole lot better than the current agents I'm sure. Why don't you apply? "Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain and most fools do." Ben Franklin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #17 November 23, 2002 School auto applied all of the computer science grads for positions in the FBI about the time I was graduating... I had a few classmates get hired, I don't think one of them still is employed. They all left for civ jobs citing if they are going to be working for idiots, they want to be paid more to work for idiots. Gov work is'nt any fun. I admire the tech people that can do it for years. I could'nt pass the security tests is why I never applied.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scoby 0 #18 November 23, 2002 QuoteYou know, the FBI is currently hiring. You guys could do a whole lot better than the current agents I'm sure. Why don't you apply? Have you seen what government work pays? It just isn't worth the hassle. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cgross 1 #19 November 23, 2002 Did you ever think it was false info!!! It is often the case that the media is given bad info to make the other people think the Gov isn't on to the truth!. A good example of this was the "WHITE VAN" discussion during the Sniper investigation. They used it as a cover, and even though they knew the suspects were black, let all the media run there profilers to say they were white. It is actually a good tachtic. Look, it has fooled you guys Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quatorze 1 #20 November 23, 2002 cgross, thanks, you beat me too it. I really hope that everyone here really doesn't have that much faith in the press. A reporter always thinks that his informant in (insert gov't agency) is better in formed than the other sources of other reporters, and how often does the media fly off the mandle and hang someone because their source said so only to find out later that the info wasl errounous, anyone remember Richard Jewel? As we all know, the media is a self righteous lot and are not know to redress their errors. Do you really believe that law enforcement does not use these traits of the press to their advantage, that they do not release specific and in some cases false information (called aruse I think, and also used in chess) until the timing is right in which the information will help the investigation? The politicians use the press regularly to control spin, with carefully thought out "leaks". Do we really think that our elected officials are the only ones smart enough to do that? And Michelle, it was a hellfire missile, not a sidewinder, hellfires are laser guided, the AIM-9 sidewinder is a heat seeker I'm not afriad of dying, I'm afraid of never really living- Erin Engle Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #21 November 23, 2002 Quotecgross, thanks, you beat me too it. I really hope that everyone here really doesn't have that much faith in the press. A reporter always thinks that his informant in (insert gov't agency) is better in formed than the other sources of other reporters, and how often does the media fly off the mandle and hang someone...... I agree 100%. There are a lot of advantages to the govt doing this, and not just duping the press either. Before they announced this guy's name, I saw two separate reports saying that "some guy" had been caught nearly a month ago. Now they're saying 2 weeks. As much as we would like to beat on our "intelligence" services as being sub-standard, remember, the CIA found evidence of Soviet missle build up in Cuba in the summer of 1962, shortly after Nikita Khrushchev ordered SS4 deployment in May of that year. The CIA operations discovering this movement were so secret, that they had to ensure the Air Force ran overflights (these occurred in September and October). The end result was Adlai Stevenson shocking the world with our capabilities (photos) on October 25th, just days before the crisis would end.So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michele 1 #22 November 23, 2002 Quote And Michelle, it was a hellfire missile, not a sidewinder, hellfires are laser guided, the AIM-9 sidewinder is a heat seeker [Tongue] Well, I got the missle part right, at least... Corrected, and thanks! Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quatorze 1 #23 November 23, 2002 Quote Quote And Michelle, it was a hellfire missile, not a sidewinder, hellfires are laser guided, the AIM-9 sidewinder is a heat seeker [Tongue] Well, I got the missle part right, at least... Corrected, and thanks! Ciels- Michele I forgive you this time I'm not afriad of dying, I'm afraid of never really living- Erin Engle Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,111 #24 November 23, 2002 >You know, the FBI is currently hiring. And make a quarter of what I'm making now, and have to deal with the biggest bureacracy in the world to boot? No thanks. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quatorze 1 #25 November 23, 2002 c'mon bill, you could carry a gun and investigate Art Bell and have a HOT partner like scully I'm not afriad of dying, I'm afraid of never really living- Erin Engle Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
