Push 0 #1 November 29, 2002 Hey all. I'm looking for a beer rig, and trying to get one as cheaply as possible without killing myself. It would help a lot of you could answer with the DOM on your reserve. Just a short poll to get an idea what is acceptable. And yes, I will talk to a rigger. I do understand this is no substitute. Yes mother -- Toggle Whippin' Yahoo Skydiving is easy. All you have to do is relax while plummetting at 120 mph from 10,000' with nothing but some nylon and webbing to save you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skybytch 273 #2 November 29, 2002 My PD143R was built in 1993; I bought it used last December. It has 3 rides on it, none of them mine. Don't buy round! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AirMail 0 #3 November 29, 2002 PD176R - Oct 2002 Patrick -- It's never too late to have a happy childhood. Postal Rodriguez, Muff 3342 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #4 November 29, 2002 Mines 1999, jsut looked over one that was 97, packed a Super Raven from 88 before.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #5 November 29, 2002 I had a 1986 Swift 5 cell in my rig when I bought it in 2001. 0 rides on it. Still in great shape. It has since been replaced with a PD-176R DOM of 95. No rides on it. Payed $500 I think. You can usually pick up a Tempo for around $300 in good shape. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lippy 918 #6 November 29, 2002 If you really wanna save money, just stuff the top of the container with old newspapers. Then, if you do have a mal, when you pull silver there'll be paper everywhere, just like confetti. And everybody loves confetti. Right???I got nuthin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jessica 0 #7 November 29, 2002 I've packed a Swift 5-cell DOM 1983(!!). It was in great shape. Personally, I have a Raven DOM 1997. I used it; it works.Skydiving is for cool people only Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #8 November 29, 2002 Quote I've packed a Swift 5-cell DOM 1983 I figured I would live but I have no shame in saying...I was a bit....apprehensive about actually having to fly that thing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jessica 0 #9 November 29, 2002 QuoteI figured I would live but I have no shame in saying...I was a bit....apprehensive about actually having to fly that thing. It's got these crazy wacky brake lines, part of which actually release when you unstow the toggles, so it looks like you've got trailing broken lines. My rigger told me a story about a very freaked out student who was sure he was having a reserve mal when he saw it. Very strange canopy. I wouldn't have a problem jumping one though.Skydiving is for cool people only Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #10 November 29, 2002 Quote It's got these crazy wacky brake lines I know....the poor rigger I handed that thing to had to break out a manual.... I have had quite a few riggers tell me what a great reserve it is though. They have all said how strong those things were built. I was just kinda scared of the MEGA slow reaction time to control inputs. That's what people who had flown them told me anyway. They said think about flaring at 50Ft or so.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ECVZZ 0 #11 November 29, 2002 PD193R - DOM Dec '95, 20 repacks and 2 sub-terminals. Had it inspected when I bought it, and it's in excellent condition. Paid $625. Greg Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
smiles 0 #12 November 29, 2002 DOM=2001 Tempo My first square reserve! Previous: DOM=1987 (my reserve for 13 yrs.) 26ft. round -army green baby cobra (Niagra Parachutes) with 4 line release= 2 jumps, saved my ass great. Smiles eustress. : a positive form of stress having a beneficial effect on health, motivation, performance, and emotional well-being. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skycop 0 #13 November 30, 2002 1987 Laser 7 Reserve, I can't bitch, it saved me once. My rigger says it's in excellent shape and will last many more years. "Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sonic 0 #14 November 30, 2002 Tempo 170, made March this year.----------------------------------- It's like something out of that twilighty show about that zone Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PLFKING 4 #15 November 30, 2002 National Phantom 220 -- DOM 1987 -- 1 deployment (not me) I've watched my rigger pack it twice....he says it is in fantastic shape. It's scarlett and gray, tho.....I hope I never have to see it above me.....it would kinda clash with the Michigan motif on my rig. Almost had to use it today, too. Don Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RevJim 0 #16 November 30, 2002 In the Javelin: PD126R D.O.M. December 1992 Was in the rig with a Sabre 150 for $1500 In the Vector II: Glidepath Cricket 145 D.O.M. Jan 1992 Paid $349 Both have no jumps and less than a dozen packjobs. Yes, Lisa, I upsized my main, but downsized the reserve in the process.It's your life, live it! Karma RB#684 "Corcho", ASK#60, Muff#3520, NCB#398, NHDZ#4, C-33989, DG#1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skymick 0 #17 November 30, 2002 Ive always been told that a reserve is still airworthy up to 20 years past its DOM or after it has had 20 jumps on it...anyone want to clarify this? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #18 November 30, 2002 Depending on the reserve.... they could be 40 years old and as long as they pass the pull test, poresisity tests, Acid mesh tests (if needed) and you can find a rigger willing to declare it airworthy you can still jump it. People jump rounds from the 70's all the time as chest mounted reserves. PD has a limit on their squares of 40 repacks or 20 deployments before it has to be factory inspected to test for a long list of things again. PD is about the only company that does this. You can take a Raven, pack it as a main, put 500 jumps on it then pack it as a reserve again if you really wanted to.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ECVZZ 0 #19 November 30, 2002 Hey Phree, After talking about this with you over on gear and rigging awhile back I got to wondering about why PD does this. The only thing that made sense to me is that PD seems to have a higher max suspended weight on their reserves than other manufacturers I've checked. Do you think this is the reason? Greg Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #20 November 30, 2002 Liability? Active gear feed back? Another chance to look at the canopy after being in the field for a few years and see the types of wear and tear the canopies are recieving is invaluable. See if there are patterns that emerge like center cell has a higher porestiy from repacks or the lines are X out of trim after Y reserve rides. Thats my guess. Your helping PD design, improve and test their reserves with out even knowing it. Plus its a chance to look over the reserve and ground ones that unknowing riggers would still let fly. This program cost money so thats being passed on and makes the PD reserves cost more then some other canopies.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wingnut 0 #21 November 30, 2002 not in a rig curently but was in one of my rigs..... a pioneer pheniox 195sq.ft. 5 cell dom 1981.........i'd jump it and probly will sometime...right now it's sitting in a platic bag in my closet ______________________________________ "i have no reader's digest version" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
garywainwright 0 #22 November 30, 2002 The people I know with cheap reserves have never had a reserve ride!http://www.garywainwright.co.uk Instagram gary_wainwright_uk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #23 November 30, 2002 PDR-176 Made August 2002. Buy PD! (You mean other people make reserves?) --"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ECVZZ 0 #24 November 30, 2002 Quote You mean other people make reserves? No. Greg Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
blueshrew 0 #25 November 30, 2002 2001. There was a statement by the German packers' organization, to the fact that over here you can't jump a reserve that's older than 15 years. The reason was that even nylon will deteriorate after a while, though not visibly. They had some test run on 10 to 12 year old reserves with 0 jumps. While new they used to let 15l/sqf/s (litres per sqf per second) of air through, and with 10 to 12 years that was up to 48l/sqf/s. It will probably get you to the ground, but it IS your last chance, and I personally wouldn't try to save some there. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
