kallend 2,148 #76 December 4, 2002 Quoteif you pull a gun on your assialant your chances of not living through the expierence more than double. ____________________________ Where did you hear this one? The justice department (under Janet Reno no less!!) estimated that guns are used 750,00 - 1,500,000 times a year to prevent crime. Do you have a link to the USDOJ report where that is stated? I have not been able to find it.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #77 December 4, 2002 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteGuns kill...no guns=less dead people Parachutes kill...no parachutes=less dead people you make a strong point Didn't Australias crime rate shoot through the roof after they enacted a stricter gun law? No. If you outlaw guns, then outlaws will have them. It won't stop them from getting them.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nacmacfeegle 0 #78 December 4, 2002 Interesting discussion guys, Dave, can I give you a hypthetical scenario to consider? Say you are visiting 'no guns country' like say England, where there is an astonishing prevalence of crime. Would you feel comfortable without your sidearm? If so, are you making yourself a prisoner in your own country, because you can't take your weapon with you? Of course you would have much fun visiting your pals in Scotland, but thats beside the point... -------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #79 December 4, 2002 I would still feel comfortable, that's why I don't focus only on firearm stuff. I may not feel "as" safe, but I would also bet that could be due to being in a culture different then my own. Usually not, but many times I'm out and about with out any sort of weapon, I still feel safe, but my reactions would obviously be different then if I was armed. See this thumb (holding up thumb) I could kill you 49 ways with this thumb...joke> --"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nacmacfeegle 0 #80 December 4, 2002 Don't point that thumb at me....It could go off.....Thanks for the reply, I was just musing.... -------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ernokaikkonen 0 #81 December 4, 2002 >See this thumb (holding up thumb) I could kill you 49 ways with this thumb Quote Now, are you sure you want to fight me? Because I'm only going to use my thumb. My right thumb; the left one's much too strong for you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bobsled92 0 #82 December 4, 2002 From my Father (now dead) & Step-mother(still active agent), being Interpol C.T. agents, we would get crime statistics on any place we would visit before going. Finland never even qualified for concerns with crime stats.The blow over of fall out up North( Chernobyl ) was the only reported worry since WW2 .It's interesting also that "Finland is the ONLY country in the history of the World that paid back their debt to the U.S. & in Silver bars." That shows a Nation's integrity. (A friend of mine from IBM told me that. He's my Dad's age and is from the Helsinki region) I'm Scotch/Irish and am more afraid of getting mug by a relative than than being worried of a bad luch in Finland.Yes, I love the U.S. but, there are other countries too! I love to visit, learn and appreciate then, return home-Grant Gallagher _______________________________ If I could be a Super Hero, I chose to be: "GRANT-A-CLAUS". and work 365 days a Year. http://www.hangout.no/speednews/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jfields 0 #83 December 4, 2002 Quote Age and wisdom has nothing to do with this, common sense and a sense of self preservation does. I think that I'm evolved enough that my brain is the second most determining factor in what happens to me. The first is luck, over which I have no control. My use of my brain will get me into, out of, or help me avoid more troublesome situations than all other factors combined, save luck. With everything else in my power being so insignificant, I generally discount them completely. A properly functioning brain is a more potent means of self-preservation than a gun, martial art, or anything else. Before you rebut, yes, it is possible to have all of the above. I see the addition of the other factors as helping about like a fart would help the thrust of a flying 747. If you don't enjoy the activities themselves and find the expense worthwhile (which I personally don't), then there is no practical reason to do them. If you see my view as fatalistic, then so be it. I see my best tool for self-preservation as being one I was born with. Without a good brain, all the other tools are useless at best, dangerous at worst. Perhaps it is this belief that leads me to value the integrity of my consciousness. I won't do strong drugs or drink to the point of substantial impairment. It isn't any moral thing, but I don't like it when I can't think straight. ------------------------------------------------ Actually, I won't be at Eloy. Wish I was. I plan to be at Rantoul for 4-5 days next year. Jet or no jet, I don't care. I already have my transportation figured out and my jump money put aside. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #84 December 4, 2002 We could go round and round until the keys fell off our keyboards...I guess I'll just say, good discussion, I don't agree with you, but then again, you don't agree with me. --"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #85 December 4, 2002 Dave - you looked better in the Stetson. ... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
QuickDraw 0 #86 December 4, 2002 Quote Dave - you looked better in the Stetson. Yeah, but due to continually getting trapped in phone booths, the hat had to go. -- Hope you don't die. -- I'm fucking winning Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #87 December 4, 2002 Quote England has the worst crime rate in the world! I think Family Court has the worst crime rate Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jfields 0 #88 December 4, 2002 Quote We could go round and round until the keys fell off our keyboards... Quote Now stand aside, worthy adversary. 'Tis but a scratch. A scratch? Your arm's off! No, it isn't. Well, what's that, then? I've had worse. You liar! Come on, you pansy! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #89 December 4, 2002 Ohhh, running away, eh? You yellow bastard, I'll bite your legs off!--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bobsled92 0 #90 December 4, 2002 Hey Dave, I love that Sean Connery/Presidio deal. As you already know, the handgun is used best as an extention of yourbody ( no time from sights) if in other countries, anything can be used as a weapon. In my disciplen I was also taught that you may have to sacrafice an arm or leg to save yourself and get your attacker. I was shot by a Highway sniper when I was 11.(His 3rd hit and only 17yrs old) It tends to mess with your head for awhile but, you have to admit, now that you have yourself prepared for what most just panic during, you never really feel unarmed, & you're less threatened by the basic idiots out there--It's NOT paranoia, it's a HEIGHTENED sence of awarness, because once-in-awhile, they ARE out to get you. _______________________________ If I could be a Super Hero, I chose to be: "GRANT-A-CLAUS". and work 365 days a Year. http://www.hangout.no/speednews/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
