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[Deuce 1]

Good luck.

The lawyer might be able to help you, you may just do better throwing yourself on the mercy of the court. Generally Judges don't care about why you were speeding, just that you understand that speeding is dangerous to yourself and others.

If you can believably tell the Judge you understand that what you did was wrong, and are contrite, you may get mercy.

If you are defensive, and attempt to justify the number of offenses you have been caught for, you may get some jail time to get you to take your speeding seriously.

If you ever had to dig a newborn, but dead baby out from under a dashboard, you wouldn't talk any nonsense about speeding not being any big deal. Inattention to your speed is usually an indicator of general inattention while driving to things like lights and signs.

One trick I will share. At the last possibly date, get an extension, and request the soonest date after the extension. Occasionally the court doesn't notify the police department in a timely fashion, or the officer is on a scheduled vacation and will miss the court date. That will result in the case being dismissed (in California anyway).

Slow the fuck down.

Ya gotta love enough to spank.

JP

[skymama 37]

Due to a pm I just received, I need to make a clarification. When I mentioned earlier in this thread that we donated money to someone and then it bit us in the ass, I was NOT referring to Sangiro. Please, donate all that you can to Sangiro, he works hard! Being a greenie is pretty time consuming, I can't imagine doing what he does every day. I was referring to a totally different incident, and I think all the old timers know what I'm talking about.

She is Da Man, and you better not mess with Da Man,
because she will lay some keepdown on you faster than, well, really fast. ~Billvon

[Keith 0]

You were just trying to get HH to spank you. Weren't you

Keith

Don't Fuck with me Keith - J. Mandeville

[AggieDave 6]

You know, any of us would be more then willing to spank you Andrea, all you have to do is ask, you don't have to go off trying to get HH all worked up...

--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."

[Deuce 1]

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You were just trying to get HH to spank you. Weren't you

Hey, like I said, you gotta love enough to spank.

[Muenkel 0]

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You know, any of us would be more then willing to spank you Andrea, all you have to do is ask, you don't have to go off trying to get HH all worked up...

If Carrie would just get the hell out of the way, we could all have a turn at spanking her.

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[Keith 0]

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Hey, like I said, you gotta love enough to spank.

So you're saying that if I told you I loved you . . .

Keith

Don't Fuck with me Keith - J. Mandeville

[Gawain 0]

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Ok, who's fault is that really? In places like California, the speed limit is inforced to help control emissions too.

You misunderstood, the flow of traffic gets priority over the speed limit. Having faster moving cars means fewer cars per square mile. Most autos run more efficiently over 65 MPH, thus less emissions. If you force traffic to slow down, you compress the number of vehicles per given square mile, and increase emissions. There is an 85th percentile rule (I don't know the exact language), if all lanes of traffic are moving safely, that 85th percentile establishes a "safe" speed. With the exception of rush hour, that speed is almost always over the posted limit. Point: the speed limits are not enforced with priority over flow of traffic or other concerns. In heavier traffic, when cars are bunched together, flowing in the 50s or 60s, I've observed CHPs establishing a rolling roadblock, slowing traffic behind them down, until the traffic ahead is about 1/4-1/3 mile away, then they get off the road, and that enables the traffic to move faster, more safely.

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Also, the speed limits are in place to keep the flow of traffic going relatively the same speed to help reduce fatalities during collisions between automobiles. Once again, who's fault is that?

Again, that's incorrect. My commute along the toll road from I-5 in south Orange County (So Cal) to Irvine averages (yes, averages), 85MPH on most days. The afternoon drive is a little faster.

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The documentation you're talking about refers to flashing blue/red lights, that's why the majority of new light bars in use across the country have the yellow blinkers that blinke towards the lane.

It doesn't help if the poor chaps still have their main light bar on (like they like to do in the Southeast, Northeast, and parts of Oregon (from my own observations).

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The traffic is mindful, but doesn't panic and slam on the brakes.[

Once again, I've seen exactly the opposite, and who's fault is that? Sure as hell isn't the cop's fault.

Well, dude, that's cause you're in Texas! Out here in Cali we're too busy to be worried about some poor slob who wanted to zig-zag at 100 through traffic already going 85 in four lanes...

So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

[AggieDave 6]

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Out here in Cali we're too busy to be worried about some poor slob who wanted to zig-zag at 100 through traffic already going 85 in four lanes...

I think you just proved that its not so much the speed limit's fault, but the drivers being dumbasses...

--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."

[Sebazz1 2]

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I think you just proved that its not so much the speed limit's fault, but the drivers being dumbasses...

Who you calling a dumbass?? I had to make it for the first load...

[AggieDave 6]

See, that's why you should just get drunk and pass out on the packing mat, then you don't have to rush for 1st load...

--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."

[Deuce 1]

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Hey, like I said, you gotta love enough to spank.

So you're saying that if I told you I loved you . . .

And this is where the old married Catholic guys gets that Forest Gump look and say's "Uh, OK...."

Seriously, if you get three warnings and do it a fourth time, and don't see a problem, it's time for a whoopin. Since we don't generally knock people down and kick them out into the street, we put them in jail. Jail is unpleasant under the very best of circumstances and people tend to modify their behavior to avoid experiencing it again.

If it dawns on anyone that there's a concrete chance that they will go to jail, and that threat modifies their behaviour, great!

So Keith, will you settle for a high five?

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So Keith, will you settle for a high five?

I suppose, if that's the best you can do!?!

Keith

Don't Fuck with me Keith - J. Mandeville

[billvon 3,107]

>Most autos run more efficiently over 65 MPH, thus less emissions.

Not true. Most cars are most efficient (both MPG and emissions) around 40-45 MPH. The 55MPH speed limit was a compromise between moving people quickly and maximizing fuel economy.

[wlie 0]

Hence I questioned the officer's shooting skills because if he is cock eyed on a side arm, the same applied with laser tag.

Anyway, the judge threw out the case. It cost me time and saved me jump $$$. But most importantly, I now do my speeding above 3000ft.

My other ride is the relative wind.

[Muenkel 0]

Billvon is absolutely correct here. And I can't believe I am saying this.

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OMG I am hating life right now. I just got pulled over for speeding and because I have so many tickets in a year I could and prolly will end up in jail for 30 days.

Cry me a river You did the crime now do the time.
You do realize it was you doing the speeding right?.
Low turns= a bad thing
Speeding with a bunch of prior tickets and no bail money also = a bad thing.

Blue Skies Black Death

[skymama 37]

*** You were just trying to get HH to spank you. Weren't you ***

Of course I was. I'll let you know if it worked!

She is Da Man, and you better not mess with Da Man,
because she will lay some keepdown on you faster than, well, really fast. ~Billvon

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>Most autos run more efficiently over 65 MPH, thus less emissions.

Not true. Most cars are most efficient (both MPG and emissions) around 40-45 MPH. The 55MPH speed limit was a compromise between moving people quickly and maximizing fuel economy.

I am aware of that statistic, though remember that was derived during the time the double-nickel was instituted. During a time of 4-speeds, 3-sp autos, fuel injection was kinda neat, and GM just got done with it's attempt at the 4-6-8/V8 engine which didn't run.

Since then, you have a CAFE rating of 27.5 MPG (for autos), overhead-cam, multivalved engines made with aluminum, variable valve technolgy, fuel injection, radial tires, etc. A 2 year Ford Mustange GT is turning 1800 RPM at 65 MPH in fifth gear. In a real world application of running the car through turns, hills, and windy days (versus just running a car in place), cars cannot maintain their most efficient gearing at 45MPH, resulting in down shifts, higher revs, more fuel being fed to maintain speed, higher emissions. Ultimately, it depends on the tuning of the engine. A longer stroke, low rev-torqe motor will get better mileage with lower revs and proper gearing. A smaller, shorter stroke engine burns fuel more efficiently with less resistance higher in the rev-band.

I do not claim this to be universally true, but that old stat from the 70s is...well, old given todays technology.

So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

[Zenister 0]

sorry to hear that..slow down.

OR

get a radar detector, use it religiously, stay in the radar shadows of other vehicles, only speed on roads you KNOW where the trap is...i could give more bad advice too, but i wont, people shouldnt live like me

if i'd had just one more speeding ticket i would have needed a waiver to join the military, seriously..the recruiter thought i was a dream find (i just walked in no work on his part) til he saw my driving record.

the really funny thing is i speed MORE since then, i just have learned when, where and how to do so..

ive gotten 5 tickets thrown out since then..i love asking cops for the radar models and specs, then asking for the situational aspects. (where was he? How fast was he traveling? How many vehicles were within 10m of mine? When was your radar calibrated? Using a tuning fork? (lol) at a distance of 10m from the front of your cruiser I bet....you should see the look on their face...the other silly thing is if they backed down they could easily give me a ticket for 'excessive speed' but noo..they want to stick to their guns (as inaccurate as they are)

my favorite one so far, after a cop in GA tried to give me a ticket while it was raining.."do you have any idea what the radar cross section of a raindrop is?" judge wasnt to amused, but since i could prove that the officer was using his radar out of specs....

some days i love my job, the things i would have never known otherwise..

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[billvon 3,107]

>Remember that was derived during the time the double-nickel was
> instituted.

My testing shows it is also true with a 6-cyl automatic transmission 1993 Toyota Previa minivan (most efficient around 40) a 4-cyl manual 1995 Mitsubishi Mirage (around 45mph) and a 2002 Honda Civic Hybrid CVT (62 mpg at 45 mph average!) At 50 it drops to 56mpg and at 70 it's around 45mpg.

The problem is that drag goes up as the cube of speed. That means massive penalties for increasing speed even if the engine does get more efficient at higher revs; you need eight times the power to cruise at 80mph as you do at 40mph (barring wheel friction, brake drag etc)

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***In places like California, the speed limit is inforced to help control emissions too.

ok dave i know this isnt your argument, but thats complete crap..anyone think a little rice burner doing 90 is emiting anything near the pollutants of say a 440 at idle?

kinda like Montana (? i think it was) that had no speed limits but would give tickets for 'excessive fule consumption'

just freaking silly...but then thats what i expect of anyone in legislation...check your brain at the door..

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>Speed limits are bogus.

As I've seen a dozen or so accidents caused purely by speeding I have to disagree there.

how is any accident ever caused purely by speed? speed may be a cotributing factor, but cause of any accident is usually 'inability to control ones vehicle'

granted it may have been easier to control if it was going slower, but thats not quite the same thing..

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[Skitzo 0]

Wow, I'm surprised this thread isn't smokin, paying speeding tickets instead of buying jump tickets is punishment enough!

I haven't had one in almost 2 years (yup...I knocked on wood) My last one was pedal to the medal to make a load after being phoned that the T-Bo was going up. Fortunately I still managed to get there just as they were kicking the ladder away, they saw me pull in and waited for me, good thing, 'cause after getting a speeding ticket I REALLY needed that jump!

Hang in there....This too shall pass...
-Oh...my bad... it is smokin!

"How do you keep your feet on the ground when you know you were born to fly?"

[billvon 3,107]

>how is any accident ever caused purely by speed?

Someone goes too fast. Light turns red. Car decelerates at maximum rate (i.e. works right and remains under control) but plows into traffic when it can't stop in time. The primary cause of the accident was excessive speed, resulting in inability to stop in time.

That one happened in NY, by the way, when someone passed me on a secondary highway going about 90 (limit was 40, I was doing around 50.) I watched him just plain plow into cross traffic when the light in front of me turned red.