ernokaikkonen 0 #76 December 15, 2002 So, to sum up what I was trying say: To use the Bible for any purpose, be it condemning or condoning homosexuality, you'll have to pick which parts to believe in. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skygirlpc 0 #77 December 15, 2002 You missed the first part of that paragraph I wrote which said: QuoteWhat is strange about all these debates is that those who vehimently oppose certain walks of life consistently overlook one thing: They are powerless to do anything about it. The thing that I was upset about is that pretty much all through this thread when people refer to "christians" they are talking about the few extremest instead of the majority. Sorry if I misunderstood you! Danielle Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cepheus 0 #78 December 15, 2002 Quotebut a God that loved us enough to give everybody the choice to how they live! "You can believe whatever you want, I don't care, but if you don't believe in me you're going to suffer for eternity, because I am a jealous God." Hmm. "Here son, you can eat this cookie, I don't care, but if you do I'm going to beat the living snot out of you from now till mom gets home, because I'm a son of a b$tch." I think I've had enough of that kind of love.-- Skydive -- testing gravity, one jump at a time. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Samurai136 0 #79 December 15, 2002 To paraphrase the logic of the first post: If god approved of homosexuality, then (gay/lesbian) mating could produce offspring. Only male female mating produces offspring. Therefore god dis-approves of homosexuality. This is a logically flawed argument; a fallacy. Why is it neccessary for god to arrange a world in which homosexual relations produce offspring? It isn't. In fact, most heterosexual relations do not produce offspring. From an epistemic and ontologic point of view it really may not be possible to absolutely know the mind of god. As for the 'natural selection' argument about homosexuality. Think about it some more. Darwin never defines 'fitness'. "Fitness" is a means of allowing a species to adapt to it's environment over time. To be deemed individually 'fit' all you need to do is get your genes into the next generation (have kids) and make sure your kids have kids. If everyone had 4 offspring, after 4 generations (you would be a great great parent) there would be 256 people genetically descended from you. Conjecture: perhaps homosexual behavior is a braking mechanism on over-populating the planet. Homosexuality doesn't apply to darwinian 'fitness'. Everyone knows some one who's mom or dad is gay. Darwin never considered his theory to be used as a moral tool, merely a means to explain how a species changes and adapts to an environment. Peace! Ken "Buttons aren't toys." - Trillian Ken Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
favaks 0 #80 December 15, 2002 Quote "You can believe whatever you want, I don't care, but if you don't believe in me you're going to suffer for eternity, because I am a jealous God." Hmm. "Here son, you can eat this cookie, I don't care, but if you do I'm going to beat the living snot out of you from now till mom gets home, because I'm a son of a b$tch." I think I've had enough of that kind of love. Couldn't have said it any better. If god really is an emotional and jealous being, man we're in for a ride for eternity. favaks Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seedy 0 #81 December 15, 2002 My version doesn't say this QuoteI don't care or this Quote"Here son, you can eat this cookie, I don't care, but if you do I'm going to beat the living snot out of you from now till mom gets home, because I'm a son of a b$tch." anywhere. I intend to live forever -- so far, so good. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
12bhi 0 #82 December 15, 2002 Amen to thatQuote Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites happythoughts 0 #83 December 15, 2002 I don't have a problem with that stuff because I am a nice person and am not concerned with Gods vengeance. However, the Pope wears a mitre. A dildo shaped hat. I can't deal with a religion that has such poor taste in headwear. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Cepheus 0 #84 December 16, 2002 QuoteMy version doesn't say this QuoteI don't care or this Quote"Here son, you can eat this cookie, I don't care, but if you do I'm going to beat the living snot out of you from now till mom gets home, because I'm a son of a b$tch." anywhere. Paraphrasing, of course. And that second part completes the analogy. Don't take my words literally, please.-- Skydive -- testing gravity, one jump at a time. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites seedy 0 #85 December 16, 2002 Quote Paraphrasing, of course. And that second part completes the analogy. Don't take my words literally, please. I realized what you were doing, but my version still doesn't say he doesn't care, paraphrase or otherwise. And since the message (I think) is exactly the opposite, your analogy wouldn't apply. IMHO I intend to live forever -- so far, so good. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Cepheus 0 #86 December 16, 2002 Quote I realized what you were doing, but my version still doesn't say he doesn't care, paraphrase or otherwise. And since the message (I think) is exactly the opposite, your analogy wouldn't apply. IMHO My analogy applies fine. Take 'I don't care' out of both sides, and you get the exact same message. "You get free will, but if you don't believe as I say you will you're DAMNED." Screw that.-- Skydive -- testing gravity, one jump at a time. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 Next Page 4 of 4 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
happythoughts 0 #83 December 15, 2002 I don't have a problem with that stuff because I am a nice person and am not concerned with Gods vengeance. However, the Pope wears a mitre. A dildo shaped hat. I can't deal with a religion that has such poor taste in headwear. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cepheus 0 #84 December 16, 2002 QuoteMy version doesn't say this QuoteI don't care or this Quote"Here son, you can eat this cookie, I don't care, but if you do I'm going to beat the living snot out of you from now till mom gets home, because I'm a son of a b$tch." anywhere. Paraphrasing, of course. And that second part completes the analogy. Don't take my words literally, please.-- Skydive -- testing gravity, one jump at a time. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seedy 0 #85 December 16, 2002 Quote Paraphrasing, of course. And that second part completes the analogy. Don't take my words literally, please. I realized what you were doing, but my version still doesn't say he doesn't care, paraphrase or otherwise. And since the message (I think) is exactly the opposite, your analogy wouldn't apply. IMHO I intend to live forever -- so far, so good. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cepheus 0 #86 December 16, 2002 Quote I realized what you were doing, but my version still doesn't say he doesn't care, paraphrase or otherwise. And since the message (I think) is exactly the opposite, your analogy wouldn't apply. IMHO My analogy applies fine. Take 'I don't care' out of both sides, and you get the exact same message. "You get free will, but if you don't believe as I say you will you're DAMNED." Screw that.-- Skydive -- testing gravity, one jump at a time. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
