rhino 0 #1 December 14, 2002 He wanted to let the military know that he wouldn't have them do anything he wouldn't do.. I think that is pretty cool.. Rhino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jtval 0 #2 December 14, 2002 they ALWAYS do that! isnt the first time....It still wont smooth thing over with the general population of the military!I agree with you about noone wanting it!My photos My Videos Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #3 December 14, 2002 I hear you bro....... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dumpster 0 #4 December 14, 2002 I had the smallpox vaccince while in the Air Force- Just about anyone subject to deployment had to have it-! Easy Does It Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LouDiamond 1 #5 December 14, 2002 Quotethey ALWAYS do that! isnt the first time....It still wont smooth thing over with the general population of the military!I agree with you about noone wanting it! Thats BS, the majority of Military people don't have a problem with either the Anthrax OR the small pox vaccine. If you've ever been anywhere outside the US you've had more shots than most people have in their life time. Granted, every once in a while you get a sniveler crying like a rat eating onions about a vaccine but as a whole, it's no big deal."It's just skydiving..additional drama is not required" Some people dream about flying, I live my dream SKYMONKEY PUBLISHING Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kmcguffee 0 #6 December 14, 2002 Quoteit's no big deal. Exactly. I received the Anthrax vaccine in 98 when I was deployed to Saudi Arabia. Haven't died from it yet. I've already heard rumors that we're going to get the smallpox vaccine too. Somebody will start crying about that next. "Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain and most fools do." Ben Franklin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jtval 0 #7 December 14, 2002 FYI- I am active duty Air Force. I have recieved my anthrax shots too. did I want them NO. but I did WANT TO go to Kuwait. hadda get em! then once I was through with the cycle they said...OOPS we arnet sure if those were safe FDA yanked all anthrax vaccines of some certain lot numbers. I feel fine today. but that type of FAITH will be looked upon wearily. THAT WAS MY POINT!My photos My Videos Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LouDiamond 1 #8 December 14, 2002 Quote FYI- I am active duty Air Force. I have recieved my anthrax shots too. did I want them NO. but I did WANT TO go to Kuwait. hadda get em! then once I was through with the cycle they said...OOPS we arnet sure if those were safe FDA yanked all anthrax vaccines of some certain lot numbers. I feel fine today. but that type of FAITH will be looked upon wearily. THAT WAS MY POINT! Wait a sec...not sure...I think I hear something....yeah, I hear something...YEP,sounds like sniveling to me "It's just skydiving..additional drama is not required" Some people dream about flying, I live my dream SKYMONKEY PUBLISHING Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Milney 0 #9 December 14, 2002 You guys are my hero's...well that is until someone who's had more vaccinations comes along If at first you don't succeed..don't try skydiving Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Iflyme 0 #10 December 14, 2002 You believe everything that dude says??? How the hell will you ever know what is in the needle that goes into his arm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #11 December 14, 2002 Quote Thats BS, the majority of Military people don't have a problem with either the Anthrax OR the small pox vaccine. If you've ever been anywhere outside the US you've had more shots than most people have in their life time. Granted, every once in a while you get a sniveler crying like a rat eating onions about a vaccine but as a whole, it's no big deal. It's not b.s. When the secretary of state "Mr. Cohen" I believe his name was said "The military" would be taking the Anthrax vaccine he didn't get it himself. 9 of the 11 Gulf War illnesses were linked DIRECTLY to the anthrax vaccine. So don't go saying it's bullshit. Ask all of the U.S. Servicemen that are having the problems if they think it is bullshit.. Sgt. Cowan, U.S. Marines Segador standing behind Sgt. Cowan waiting to swing at someone.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kmcguffee 0 #12 December 14, 2002 We've got it Iflyme. You don't like Bush. Next topic please. "Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain and most fools do." Ben Franklin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LouDiamond 1 #13 December 14, 2002 Quote You believe everything that dude says??? How the hell will you ever know what is in the needle that goes into his arm? How the hell will you know if that reserve is gonna work right when ya need it?More sniveling"It's just skydiving..additional drama is not required" Some people dream about flying, I live my dream SKYMONKEY PUBLISHING Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
narcimund 0 #14 December 14, 2002 QuoteHe wanted to let the military know that he wouldn't have them do anything he wouldn't do.. Nothing except "join the military." First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #15 December 14, 2002 QuoteYou believe everything that dude says??? How the hell will you ever know what is in the needle that goes into his arm? I am quiet certain that if the President said he is going to get the vaccine that is exactly what will happen.. In this case.. But you are right.. It is impossible to know. It is impossible to know when you get your flu shot at the hospital that it is actually a flew shot.. You could allways become a chemist and study every medication yourself before you take it??? Rhino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Iflyme 0 #16 December 14, 2002 As there is a larger risk with the smallpox vaccination than with most other vaccinations, I just wonder if his advisors would permit your president to put himself at risk. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LouDiamond 1 #17 December 14, 2002 [reply It's not b.s. When the secretary of state "Mr. Cohen" I believe his name was said "The military" would be taking the Anthrax vaccine he didn't get it himself. 9 of the 11 Gulf War illnesses were linked DIRECTLY to the anthrax vaccine. So don't go saying it's bullshit. Ask all of the U.S. Servicemen that are having the problems if they think it is bullshit.. Sgt. Cowan, U.S. Marines Segador standing behind Sgt. Cowan waiting to swing at someone.. Being that I AM a Gulf War vet and I have been to the illness briefings and done my own research. I will say that your pulling shit out of your collective jar head ass here. Not only that, I have a personal friend that is currently sick with what appears to be Gulf war illness and none of his or any of the other documented cases can be linked solely to the Anthrax shot alone. As far as what Cohen did, thats his option. He wasn't going into harms way, one more shot for someone who really needs it IMO. I got jungle boots with more time in than you son"It's just skydiving..additional drama is not required" Some people dream about flying, I live my dream SKYMONKEY PUBLISHING Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fasterfaller 0 #18 December 14, 2002 Like I believe that his vaccine will be from the same lot as the ones that the military will receive . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kmcguffee 0 #19 December 14, 2002 QuoteI got jungle boots with more time in than you son lol, also the anthrax vaccine has been given to veterinarians for years with no problems. "Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain and most fools do." Ben Franklin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LouDiamond 1 #20 December 14, 2002 Quote Like I believe that his vaccine will be from the same lot as the ones that the military will receive . LOL yeah, like they have a lot of vaccinations set aside. "This stack over here is the good stuff...that stack over there is for everybody else"..PLAAAEEZE"It's just skydiving..additional drama is not required" Some people dream about flying, I live my dream SKYMONKEY PUBLISHING Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #21 December 14, 2002 Pulling shit out of my ass?? QuoteBeing that I AM a Gulf War vet and I have been to the illness briefings and done my own research. I will say that your pulling shit out of your collective jar head ass here. Not only that, I have a personal friend that is currently sick with what appears to be Gulf war illness and none of his or any of the other documented cases can be linked solely to the Anthrax shot alone. As far as what Cohen did, thats his option. He wasn't going into harms way, one more shot for someone who really needs it IMO. I got jungle boots with more time in than you son You have done your own research? What conclusion did you come to? The Anthrax vaccine IS dangerous. My ex-wife was a navy medic. When THEY got their briefings "which I am sure were more informative than the one you got" they were informed that the preservative in the vaccine WAS A KNOWN CANCER CAUSING SUBSTANCE.. That word got around Camp Lejeune for example and Marines were refusing to take the vaccine by the dozens. The illness briefings told you what they wanted to tell you. Again, how do you know it was the truth? You know ONE person out of thousands of servicemen that have one of the MANY illnesses. Research was done by independent groups and scientists that are a thousand times more qualified to make decisions based on their research than you are. I know more than one Marine with one of the many illnesses, that doesn't make me an expert necessarily. Jar head ass... Careful... I am MORE than capable of taking stabs myself.. Rhino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #22 December 14, 2002 QuoteFYI- I am active duty Air Force. I have recieved my anthrax shots too. did I want them NO. ..... THAT WAS MY POINT! I am not in the military so I don't know what those in the service experience. I do have a question though: When you enlist/sign on, aren't you volutarily waiving your Constitutional rights? Now, for the Smallpox thing, IIRC, the medical community doesn't know what affects the vaccine will have on those who already received it, but suspect that the risk is low, nor do they know how long the vaccine would last (i.e. I got mine near the time I was born in 69). I don't understand what the risks are for those who've never had the vaccine. Edit: A friend of mine an investigative journalist. He produces a weekly radio program focused on the "gay lifestyle", but before he publicly came out of the "closet" he did extensive research about the Gulf War syndrome and followed the progress of one sufferer... www.goharrison.com If you check his archives, you should be able to find plenty of information about his reports. Perhaps they will provide some insight. I don't have an educated opinion as I have no experience on this matter. His broadcasts are archived as RealMedia files.So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jtval 0 #23 December 14, 2002 When you enlist/sign on, aren't you volutarily waiving your Constitutional rights? to a certain extend ..yes! I mena you still have those rights and you can choose NOT to get the shot...and be kicked out with a dishonorable dicharge for failure to obey a direct order! that stuff doenst look good on a resume! My photos My Videos Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LouDiamond 1 #24 December 14, 2002 Quote You have done your own research? What conclusion did you come to? That the Anthrax vaccine ISN'T the cause of Gulf War Illness/ Quote The Anthrax vaccine IS dangerous. My ex-wife was a navy medic. Oh yeah, I'm sure she was really in the loop. everyone knows how much they teach the average medic...gimme a break, tell that crap to the civilians that will believe it. Quote When THEY got their briefings "which I am sure were more informative than the one you got" they were informed that the preservative in the vaccine WAS A KNOWN CANCER CAUSING SUBSTANCE.. Saccarine causes cancer and they sell it in little packages...your point is? last time I checked GWI was not a cancer. Quote That word got around Camp Lejeune for example and Marines were refusing to take the vaccine by the dozens. What can I say....thats a direct reflection of the marines for ya[reply[The illness briefings told you what they wanted to tell you. Again, how do you know it was the truth? OK, I'll say this again,slower this time, here I go...I did my own research beyond what was disclosed at the briefings. That means I was able to draw my own unbiased conclusion. Quote You know ONE person out of thousands of servicemen that have one of the MANY illnesses. actually, I know 2, 1 of them died shortly after we came back. Quote Research was done by independent groups and scientists that are a thousand times more qualified to make decisions based on their research than you are. I know more than one Marine with one of the many illnesses, that doesn't make me an expert necessarily. I think you are confusing the topic here...The Anthrax vaccination is not the sole causation of Gulf War illness. If it is show me the proof. As it was stated..Vets have been getting the Anthrax vaccine for years. Quote Jar head ass... Careful... I am MORE than capable of taking stabs myself.. In the Army we still call it like we see it and your post was not factual, hence you were talking out of your ass. If that offends you maybe you should become a civilian."It's just skydiving..additional drama is not required" Some people dream about flying, I live my dream SKYMONKEY PUBLISHING Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jtval 0 #25 December 14, 2002 actually I think the "P-tabs" were the main concern for Gulf war syndrome!My photos My Videos Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
