Man chases down car jacker

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in 100 posts we're going to be running around in that same little circle calling each other names and being quite unkind.

Here? Noooooo.......when has something like that ever happened?

[billvon 3,111]

>I take it your not an NRA member eh Bill?

Nope. And any responsible gun owner would tell you that shooting an intruder in front of someone else's house, risking the people in the house, is a crime you should go to jail for. Owning a gun does not make you a cop, and if you think it does, it is very likely to get you or a bystander killed.

It is a basic rule of gun use to make sure of your target and what is behind it. You may be able to do that in your living room; you cannot do that driving next to a car moving at 40mph.

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>I take it your not an NRA member eh Bill?

Nope. And any responsible gun owner would tell you that shooting an intruder in front of someone else's house, risking the people in the house, is a crime you should go to jail for. Owning a gun does not make you a cop, and if you think it does, it is very likely to get you or a bystander killed.

It is a basic rule of gun use to make sure of your target and what is behind it. You may be able to do that in your living room; you cannot do that driving next to a car moving at 40mph.

I also think a responsible gun owner would tell you that he has a right to defend his property and his family.

Would this scenario been any different if Homer would of just used the car to run the thief off of the road with the same outcome? Ya never hear anyone screaming about the dangers of out of control cars and their drivers like you do about any incident involving a firearm.

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Nope. And any responsible gun owner would tell you that shooting an intruder in front of someone else's house, risking the people in the house, is a crime you should go to jail for

Holy Cow Bill....I agree with you on an issue involving guns????!!!! This must be some sort og Guiness record.... Yep...as I have gotten older I have realised just HOW STUPID a lot of people are. I don't want cowboys shooting up any neighborhoods. In fact....the company I work for had to make a new policy over an incident just like this. Stolen car...owner gave chase with gun. Wildly shooting at fleeing car. Innocent bystander shot in the head and killed. Nahhh....I agree in principal but most people are just too stupid for it in reality.

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You may be able to do that in your living room

That CAN also be a problem. There have been instances of people shooting at intruders in their own home and it going into other peoples. The right weapon choice is crucial for "indoor shooting."

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Would this scenario been any different if Homer would of just used the car to run the thief off of the road with the same outcome? Ya never hear anyone screaming about the dangers of out of control cars and their drivers

Yeah...it would be differen't. He would be charged with vehicular manslaughter instead of manslaughter or murder 2.

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Nope. And any responsible gun owner would tell you that shooting an intruder in front of someone else's house, risking the people in the house, is a crime you should go to jail for. Owning a gun does not make you a cop, and if you think it does, it is very likely to get you or a bystander killed.

What if you are a really really really really really good shot

Back in the ole days when someone stole your horse they would get shot..

Cars can be used as deadly weapons all the time.

I vote for the guy that shot the car jacker.. I'm sorry but if you are going to take my shit you are in for it. The guy must have been a good shot. He didn't hit anyone but who he was aiming at.. lol

Seriously... Down the road a child might have been run over.. Maybe your child.. This asshole was made an example of.

HIIM HIIIIIIIIM FUUUUCK HIIIIIM!! lol

Rhino



Anyone breaking into my house is going to be assumed a deadly threat. My family is in the house.. My lifeblood..

Break into my house and one of us is going to die. That is my outlook on it. Try and take my car when my family is in the car and I will become hell on earth. One of us is going to die.

Know what I mean?? Any asshole breaking into my house will get a bullet between the eyeballs... Would I chase someone down that took my car and my car alone? Not a chance.. If I was packing a gun? Would I shoot at the car? Possibly if in a remote area

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This asshole was made an example of.

That's right. And one person decided that using deadly force (in this case a gun) to make an example of him was OK. For a damn car. I hope I never have anything that valuable. How about slamming on your brakes to teach a lesson to a tailgater?

I sure hope you're never wrong if you ever decide.

Wendy W.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[billvon 3,111]

>I also think a responsible gun owner would tell you that he has a
> right to defend his property and his family.

As no one was threatened by the thief, and the car was destroyed, he failed on both counts. No one was protected. No property was defended.

>Would this scenario been any different if Homer would of just used
> the car to run the thief off of the road with the same outcome?

It would be a similar charge, but not identical, as they define homicide with vehicles a little differently. Same idea though.

>Ya never hear anyone screaming about the dangers of out of control
>cars and their drivers . . .

Go check out a MADD website and get back to me on that statement.

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Like I said Wendy.. It SHOULD have been a citizens arrest instead of a semi out of control car jacking.

For all we know the man was an off duty cop or something and the car jacker was actually armed?

Rhino

[billvon 3,111]

>What if you are a really really really really really good shot.

And what if you are a really really really good driver, and can hold your liquor really really well. Should you be allowed to drive drunk? I'd say no - you are still risking the lives of bystanders for no cause.

>Cars can be used as deadly weapons all the time.

Of course. And if you use it that way, you go to jail.

>Seriously... Down the road a child might have been run over.. Maybe
> your child.. This asshole was made an example of.

The guy with the gun risked the lives of everyone on the other side of the car. He then caused a car to crash into someone's house, destroying the car and threatening the lives of the people inside it. Had your child been in the yard when the car came through it I think you would feel differently about the scenario.

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[billvon 3,111]

>Bill, we don't know that.. He may have very well have saved a
> families life walking out of a church a mile down the road.

Oh, come on. Are you going to justify shooting any thief, anywhere, because of what they _might_ do? How about seeing someone who matches that description in a crowded shopping mall, and taking him out with your .45? We don't do that in the US. We have an entire justice and police system that is based on the idea that you are stopped, put on trial, _then_ convicted. We have a pretty good police force that would never shoot at a carjacker in a residential area, because their #1 priority is the safety of the people in that neighborhood, not playing Rambo. I have a lot of respect for that, and none for people who threaten the lives of people in a neighborhood because they're pissed off.

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And what if you are a really really really good driver, and can hold your liquor really really well. Should you be allowed to drive drunk? I'd say no - you are still risking the lives of bystanders for no cause.

While probably equally as bad, it isn't quiet the same thing. If the drunk driver steals your car maybe you should shoot the tire?? lol

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The guy with the gun risked the lives of everyone on the other side of the car. He then caused a car to crash into someone's house, destroying the car and threatening the lives of the people inside it. Had your child been in the yard when the car came through it I think you would feel differently about the scenario.

Thankfully no one was hurt.. Thank God! But the driver could JUST AS EASILY ran a kid over a block away..

I would assume he would have.

Rhino

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>Would this scenario been any different if Homer would of just used
> the car to run the thief off of the road with the same outcome?

It would be a similar charge, but not identical, as they define homicide with vehicles a little differently. Same idea though.

So the same can be said if he would of used a boomer rang instead of a gun?

>Ya never hear anyone screaming about the dangers of out of control
>cars and their drivers . . .

Go check out a MADD website and get back to me on that statement.

You took that one out of context, you failed to include the last part of my statement which is trying to make a comparrison. A dollar to a dime I can find more instances where any type of event that includes a firearm, wheather it was used or not will be reported as if firearms are the root of all evil. Try finding as many that involved a car used as a weapon. Unless you dig through police reports you won't find 1/4 as many instances of them being reported by the media. Guns don't kill people, people kill people and the same can be said for cars, knives, wooden clubs and rocks.

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It SHOULD have been a citizens arrest

You have to be pretty careful with that too. It's pretty easy to be sued for "wrongful imprisonment" these days. Not saying it's right...just pointing out fact.

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Oh, come on. Are you going to justify shooting any thief, anywhere, because of what they _might_ do?

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No.. He DID take the car,, He might have been armed. The man that shot him probably KNEW this. So it was likely based on fact not assumptions.

"no weapon" get out of the car.. My response.. Go fuck yourself..

"with a weapon" get out of the car.. My response if alone.. No problem..

He probably knew that answer. We don't.

How about seeing someone who matches that description in a crowded shopping mall, and taking him out with your .45?

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Again we are only talking about the man who's car was stolen. Not someone who was listening on a scanner.

Bill... The man STOLE his car.. He could have been armed? A man in the mall is a different scenario.. Of course that would be wrong. A man in the mall isn't driving a weapon scared that he will spend the next ten years of his life in jail.

Deep down I agree with the man shooting the car jacker.. I hope if the circumstances are right that he gets away with it personally. That hope is of course based on my limited knowledge..

I have a lot of respect for that, and none for people who threaten the lives of people in a neighborhood because they're pissed off.

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I agree.. I respect that too.. But I also respect someone who's HAD ENOUGH and takes action every once in a while.

Rhino

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Just thought I'd get one in early...

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You have to be pretty careful with that too. It's pretty easy to be sued for "wrongful imprisonment" these days. Not saying it's right...just pointing out fact.

No doubt... But if he stole your car.. You pretty much have him by the balls..

Rhino

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I can see it now, in 100 posts we're going to be running around in that same little circle calling each other names and being quite unkind...

F*ck You! You Texas Aggie Gun-Nut!

Dave, do you have a .40? I've got a ton of .40 ammo and no more .40's (got rid of the 229's when I got the Glock .45's) Federal hydra-shock. Maybe we could work something out at Eloy

F*cking Gun nuts.......

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You guys are lucky... Byiatches.... All that ammo and no where to play.. lol

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Dave, do you have a .40?

I have a .40...I have a .40....and I need 1000Rds by the end of April for school!!!

[billvon 3,111]

>No.. He DID take the car,, He might have been armed. Theman that
>shot him probably KNEW this. So it was likely based on fact not
> assumptions.

If he knew he might have been armed, he was making an assumption. Sorta like if I know you might be guilty.

>Bill... The man STOLE his car.. He could have been armed? A man in
> the mall is a different scenario.. Of course that would be wrong. A
> man in the mall isn't driving a weapon scared that he will spend the
> next ten years of his life in jail.

Why? You just said he might have been armed and desperate. If he saw you in the mall, he could reasonably think you were about to send him to jail by identifying him. Why leave an armed, desperate man alive in a shopping mall where he could kill dozens? Why not open fire?

I can think of two reasons - one, you're not judge, jury and executioner, and two, you might just hit someone else. Both factors were present at the carjacking as well. Cops understand both issues - which is why they would not open fire on either a fleeing car _or_ a man in a mall. Non-police, who generally have even less training in the use of deadly force, should not assume they are better, or more justified, in using it.

>But I also respect someone who's HAD ENOUGH and takes action
> every once in a while.

What else has happened to him? Or are you assuming that other stuff has happened to him?

From the report here's what happened:

-A man's car was stolen
-He gave chase
-He fired thee or four times, striking the thief at least once
-The out of control car struck a house

You can make other assumptions if you want, but unless you know this guy, that puts it in the realm of theory instead of reality.

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No doubt... But if he stole your car.. You pretty much have him by the balls..

Maybe ...maybe not...if he is determined enough he can still sue you. Even if he loses you still have to hire a lawyer and go through a bunch of crap. If you hold ANYONE against their will you ARE taking a risk. Just something you need to know.

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I may not totally agree with his actions because I don't know the facts..

But the fact that someone was shot that tried to get away with someones HARD EARNED things makes something inside me feel good..


Your points are valid... So are mine..



Rhino

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Maybe ...maybe not...if he is determined enough he can still sue you. Even if he loses you still have to hire a lawyer and go through a bunch of crap. If you hold ANYONE against their will you ARE taking a risk. Just something you need to know.

That would suck... lol