Deuce 1 #51 December 16, 2002 Quote We have a pretty good police force that would never shoot at a carjacker in a residential area, because their #1 priority is the safety of the people in that neighborhood, not playing Rambo. Thank you, BillDammitVonNovack.There is a time and place to play Rambo, though, just not in the 'hood. I am a "shoot the gun out of his hand" good shooter, unashamedly one of the best in this State. Running gunbattles in cars means somebody had a short-circuit in their wetware. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deuce 1 #52 December 16, 2002 Quote Quote Dave, do you have a .40? I have a .40...I have a .40....and I need 1000Rds by the end of April for school!!! You gonna be at Eloy? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WFFC 1 #53 December 16, 2002 Quote As much as I like to see another shit bag in a body bag......the law probably won't see it that way. It most states it's bad Juju to use deadly force to protect "property only." Texas not withstanding... Agreed...Remember that Colorado has the make my day law...Remember to shoot'em in the front, then drag them back into the house...----- ~~~Michael Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #54 December 16, 2002 Quote You gonna be at Eloy Unfortunately not......there's always the US mail. They love it when you send explosive items in the mail..... (I think you actually have to use UPS....) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
relyon 0 #55 December 17, 2002 Quote Not even a cop, someone trained to protect the public using deadly force, sometimes at the cost of his own life, would try a high speed shootout with a man who was doing nothing more than driving a stolen car away. Why should the cops go for the high speed shootout when they can take them out in the parking lot: http://www.southcountyjournal.com/sited/story/html/114320 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wlie 0 #56 December 17, 2002 Word is the thief's dead. Now the shooter might get charged with murder. Justifiable or not, I don't know how I'd continue living with the fact that I've killed someone. In a lot of ways, I feel sorry for the shooter in this sense. But I sure hope he doesn't go to jail or get charged with any crime.My other ride is the relative wind. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #57 December 17, 2002 I gave my .40 to my dad, so I don't have it any more...You still want to go plink sometime while were in Eloy, if we can? --"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #58 December 17, 2002 QuoteI need 1000Rds by the end of April for school!!! Ha! I went through that in 2 1/2 days at the tactical course I went through...--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deuce 1 #59 December 17, 2002 That shooting appears to have been justified. Without the intercession of the shooter the cop would likely have suffered critical injuries. That's how that decision tree works. Officer being dragged will likely be critically injured, I may critically injure him by shooting at the driver. When the threat to the victim equals or is less than the threat posed by shooting, you shoot. And you make that decision in the blink of an eye. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deuce 1 #60 December 17, 2002 Quote I gave my .40 to my dad, so I don't have it any more...You still want to go plink sometime while were in Eloy, if we can? I doubt we'll have time, I'm jumping from load one to sunset Friday, Saturday, and Sunday. But I'll be ready if the opportunity presents itself-Clay I'll see how much of that stuff I've got and I'll PM you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
relyon 0 #61 December 17, 2002 QuoteThat shooting appears to have been justified. Without the intercession of the shooter the cop would likely have suffered critical injuries. Maybe, maybe not - another "what if". The deceased had no history of any violations of any sort and was unarmed. The incident happened in a crowed McDonalds parking lot with lots of bystanders. Chances are My point was to counter the assertion that the cops only use deadly force as a last resort when all else fails. They make bad decisions and screw up just like the rest of us. Bob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #62 December 17, 2002 Quote I doubt we'll have time...But I'll be ready I was thinking the same thing...my range box will be on hand, though...--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Schroeder 0 #63 December 17, 2002 I came to this late, but after reading it all, I'm glad to see I'm not the only person on here who finds the value we place on our material things disturbing. I'm one of apparently few, but hey. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #64 December 17, 2002 QuoteI came to this late, but after reading it all, I'm glad to see I'm not the only person on here who finds the value we place on our material things disturbing. I'm one of apparently few, but hey. Whatever happened to principal? People standing for what they believe in? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jessica 0 #65 December 17, 2002 QuotePeople standing for what they believe in? And I believe a human life -- even one that would steal -- is far more important and valuable than a car.Skydiving is for cool people only Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,107 #66 December 17, 2002 >People standing for what they believe in? One thing that I believe in is that human life has a great value, much greater than that of even a really nice car. Even if I don't like the guy, and even if he doesn't share my principles. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weid14 0 #67 December 17, 2002 just so everyone knows, even though I just arrived here in Tacoma last week I had nothing to do with the incident in question.... purely coincidence! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #68 December 17, 2002 lol You are off the hook.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wlie 0 #69 December 19, 2002 Reading the headlines, the shooter is now charged with manslaughter. Quote Quoting from the article: While the use of force to protect personal property is legal under some circumstances, using deadly force to retrieve personal property is not, Costello said. "The policy of law is always to favor life over property," he said. "The law doesn’t make any distinctions about . . . who died." WTFMy other ride is the relative wind. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tonto 1 #70 December 20, 2002 That's what I'm thinking... That and what a "small handgun" is.. tIt's the year of the Pig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
