AggieDave 6 #1 December 16, 2002 Once again from the "I couldn't make this crap up if I tried" department... http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/100102_tacoma16.shtml QuoteSuspect in car theft is shot in wild chase Vehicle's owner held; auto plunges through house's wooden fence By HECTOR CASTRO SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER REPORTER TACOMA -- The owner of a stolen car raced after the vehicle late Saturday in a brief but wild chase that ended with the suspect shot in the head and the car on its side after smashing through a fence. "We heard it," said Arlie Nordlund, the homeowner whose fence was splintered apart by the stolen car. "If we had been asleep, we would have heard it." Melina Mara / P-I Splintered boards mark the spot where a stolen car plunged through a fence in Tacoma after the car's owner gave chase. The suspect was shot and was in Tacoma General Hospital in critical condition. The suspected car thief, an unidentified male between 15 and 20 years old, was in critical condition at Tacoma General Hospital. Tacoma police arrested the owner of the stolen car and booked him into the Pierce County Jail on suspicion of first-degree assault. "He put a lot of people at risk by firing his gun," police spokesman Jim Mattheis said, adding that if the suspect dies, the charges against the car owner could change. The case, he said, will be reviewed by the Pierce County Prosecutor's Office, which will determine what charges the car owner ultimately faces. An arraignment for the 33-year-old man was scheduled for today. The chase and shooting began with a call to 911 about 10:30 p.m., when someone reported a stolen car in the 7000 block of South I Street in south Tacoma. Then, just moments later, there was a second call to 911 reporting an accident at the corner of South 72nd Street and South J Street just a few blocks from the earlier report, Mattheis said. The owner of the stolen car, a 1985 Pontiac Grand Prix, told police he looked out to see his car being driven away. He grabbed a small handgun and hopped into an Oldsmobile Cutlass to chase after his car and the person taking it. Witnesses told police the car owner caught up to his stolen car, pulled alongside it and fired three to four times. Nordlund said he and his wife had just gotten off the computer when they heard those shots. "And a few seconds later, just a great, big crash," he said. "I was going to go out there and see what was going on, but my wife said, 'Don't go out there; they're shooting.' " Nordlund called 911 and did go out to investigate. The stolen car had crashed through Nordlund's wooden fence, missing a bus-stop sign and a large stump with a birdhouse in the yard. The car tore through Nordlund's side fence, smashing into a neighbor's Chevrolet Corsica before rolling onto the driver's side, resting against the neighbor's home. The impact folded the hood of the Corsica up to the windshield and left debris strewn in the front yard of Nordlund's neighbor. Those residents are out of town, he said, and they had recently bought the now-wrecked car. Of the people who had gathered around the wreck, one man stepped up to Nordlund and said, "That's my car. It just got stolen," Nordlund said. Peering into the car, Nordlund saw a young man dressed all in red. The man was not moving and gave no sign of life. The owner of the car then disappeared. Mattheis said the car owner apparently returned to his home, where police contacted him, then arrested him. "He's been cooperative," Mattheis said. The chase and gunfire put a lot of people at risk, he said, including pedestrians and other motorists on the busy street. The stolen car itself crossed opposing lanes of traffic before crashing. "Who knows, he could have crashed into this home," Mattheis said, standing beside Nordlund's wrecked fence. Nordlund said he and his wife were less than 40 feet from where the car came flying through his yard. But it isn't the first time a stolen vehicle has met Nordlund's front yard. Last February, someone stole a truck nearby. The owner hopped in and was wrestling with the thief for control. The ensuing crash took out a section of Nordlund's fence. "We know we're lucky," Nordlund said --"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #2 December 16, 2002 As much as I like to see another shit bag in a body bag......the law probably won't see it that way. It most states it's bad Juju to use deadly force to protect "property only." Texas not withstanding... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kevin922 0 #3 December 16, 2002 Quote As much as I like to see another shit bag in a body bag......the law probably won't see it that way. It most states it's bad Juju to use deadly force to protect "property only." Texas not withstanding... Yeah I was just about to post that you can get away with this in texas.. I think in mississippi as long as you drag them onto your property it's okay to shoot them as well (so if you shoot him and he runs down the street, bring him back) :) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #4 December 16, 2002 Actually, in Texas the law says if criminal activity is being done on your property, you have the right to use deadly force. That's pretty damned broad, so people got to use their heads, since technically you could shoot a someone TPing your house, which would be asinine...--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PLFXpert 0 #5 December 16, 2002 Quote The stolen car had crashed through Nordlund's wooden fence, missing a bus-stop sign and a large stump with a birdhouse in the yard You know you're an animal-lover when, admist this whole story, I'm thinking, "Oh, thank God it didn't hit the birdhouse." Or, likewise, in movies...when everyone gets shot or speared, I'm thinking, "Oh, thank God the horse is OK." Paint me in a corner, but my color comes back. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gypsy 0 #6 December 16, 2002 Quote Nordlund called 911 and did go out to investigate Of course he did, he's a GUY! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bbb2003 0 #7 December 16, 2002 Quote But it isn't the first time a stolen vehicle has met Nordlund's front yard. Last February, someone stole a truck nearby. The owner hopped in and was wrestling with the thief for control. The ensuing crash took out a section of Nordlund's fence. "We know we're lucky," Nordlund said I don't know about ya'll, but having two crimes in my yard wouldn't make me feel lucky at all! -Things that make you go hmmm Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wildblue 7 #8 December 16, 2002 Where is it that says if you shoot someone in your bathroom, there's pretty much no questions asked? I think anywhere else though, and you could be in trouble.....it's like incest - you're substituting convenience for quality Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,110 #9 December 16, 2002 >It most states it's bad Juju to use deadly force to protect "property > only." It's even worse juju to open fire on a public street, risk hitting someone else, and essentially create an out of control vehicle. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #10 December 16, 2002 QuoteIt's even worse juju to open fire on a public street, risk hitting someone else, and essentially create an out of control vehicle Exactly. Even in Texas that would get you shit canned.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SniperCJ 0 #11 December 16, 2002 QuoteActually, in Texas the law says if criminal activity is being done on your property, you have the right to use deadly force. That's pretty damned broad, so people got to use their heads, since technically you could shoot a someone TPing your house, which would be asinine... Sorry Dave, it isnt quite THAT broad... Deadly force is justifiable to prevent the imminent commission of arson, burglary, robbery, agg robbery, theft during the nighttime or criminal mischief during the nighttime. Covers quite a bit and yes, technically TP'ing someone's house IS criminal mischief.... So shoot em! <----Thats a joke Son, a joke! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #12 December 16, 2002 Quote arson, burglary, robbery, agg robbery, theft during the nighttime or criminal mischief during the nighttime. Right! Damn, in my "studying for finals haze" I didn't quite get it out there right. Thanks dude.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #13 December 16, 2002 Quote It's even worse juju to open fire on a public street, risk hitting someone else, and essentially create an out of control vehicle Yeah...but I'll be the first person to donate $10 to his legal defense fund! Oh..on the TPing thing. I saw a case not long ago where a parent chased down some kids that had fled his property after applying some TP. I think at least one of them died in a car accident. He was charged with Aggravated assault and vehicular manslaughter IIRC. Ugly scene.....this guy really needed some anger management.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DZBone 0 #14 December 16, 2002 QuoteNordlund said he and his wife had just gotten off the computer when they heard those shots. Heh, if he was a skydiver: "Nordlund said his wife had just gotten off the computer when they heard those shots. He followed a few minutes later after 'catching up on the Sunday Boobies'". _________________________________________________ If you hadn't read this, would it have made a sound? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #15 December 16, 2002 Yeagh but it could have turned into a car chase and if that guy wouldn't have shot the car jacker he might have run over some kids or something.. I think they should leave him alone.. Fuck the car jacker.. Sure the man "could" have shot someone innocent but he didn't. As long as he "legally" had the gun he should have been in the right.. Just my opinion.. Rhino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jessica 0 #16 December 16, 2002 You guys think stealing a car deserves the death penalty? With no judge and jury? Sometimes, despite two years at it, reading this forum absolutely floors me.Skydiving is for cool people only Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #17 December 16, 2002 Quote You guys think stealing a car deserves the death penalty? With no judge and jury? Yeah....the guy driving down the street in your car needs a jury to actually weigh the evidence. I'm sure there's a plausible explanation. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LouDiamond 1 #18 December 16, 2002 Quote You guys think stealing a car deserves the death penalty? With no judge and jury? Sometimes, despite two years at it, reading this forum absolutely floors me. what if it was dude running down the street with your rig?"It's just skydiving..additional drama is not required" Some people dream about flying, I live my dream SKYMONKEY PUBLISHING Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jessica 0 #19 December 16, 2002 You have completely missed my point, honey chile. So you really think stealing a car is legitimately punishable by execution. Lovely.Skydiving is for cool people only Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,110 #20 December 16, 2002 >what if it was dude running down the street with your rig? Rather have to buy a new rig than tell his kids how he died. A rig is just stuff. There's always more stuff. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,110 #21 December 16, 2002 > . . .if that guy wouldn't have shot the car jacker he might have run > over some kids or something.. Not even a cop, someone trained to protect the public using deadly force, sometimes at the cost of his own life, would try a high speed shootout with a man who was doing nothing more than driving a stolen car away. >Sure the man "could" have shot someone innocent but he didn't. Not the issue; the issue is risk. Even if I don't kill you or someone in your family, I have no right to put your lives at risk by shooting at your house - even if there's a thief standing in front of your living room window. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #22 December 16, 2002 Quote So you really think stealing a car is legitimately punishable by execution If it's my car....bet your ass!!! Quote Rather have to buy a new rig than tell his kids how he died. Sssshhhsss....I'd tell his kids that if they go around stealing shit someone is liable to cap their ass too. They'd most likely be better off without him anyway if he has sunk so low as to stealing cars. No wait...I'm sure he is still a FINE parent... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LouDiamond 1 #23 December 16, 2002 Quote > . . .if that guy wouldn't have shot the car jacker he might have run > over some kids or something.. Not even a cop, someone trained to protect the public using deadly force, sometimes at the cost of his own life, would try a high speed shootout with a man who was doing nothing more than driving a stolen car away. >Sure the man "could" have shot someone innocent but he didn't. Not the issue; the issue is risk. Even if I don't kill you or someone in your family, I have no right to put your lives at risk by shooting at your house - even if there's a thief standing in front of your living room window. I take it your not an NRA member eh Bill?"It's just skydiving..additional drama is not required" Some people dream about flying, I live my dream SKYMONKEY PUBLISHING Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LouDiamond 1 #24 December 16, 2002 Quote Quote So you really think stealing a car is legitimately punishable by execution If it's my car....bet your ass!!! Quote Rather have to buy a new rig than tell his kids how he died. Sssshhhsss....I'd tell his kids that if they go around stealing shit someone is liable to cap their ass too. They'd most likely be better off without him anyway if he has sunk so low as to stealing cars. No wait...I'm sure he is still a FINE parent... DAMN!! You beat me too it. I was about to say the same thing, almost verbatim. Right on brutha"It's just skydiving..additional drama is not required" Some people dream about flying, I live my dream SKYMONKEY PUBLISHING Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #25 December 16, 2002 Jesus Christ, I posted the link and story because I thought it was really odd, I didn't want to start the damned gun debate again. I can see it now, in 100 posts we're going to be running around in that same little circle calling each other names and being quite unkind...--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
