quade 4 #26 December 19, 2002 Straight from the horse's ass HERE. Quote December 19, 2002 - TSA Updates New Guidelines for Passengers Checking Baggage TSA 143-02 Thursday, Dec. 19, 2002 Press Contact: TSA Public Affairs 202-385-1800 Under Secretary of Transportation for Security Adm. James M. Loy today updated Transportation Security Administration (TSA) guidelines for checking baggage, saying they are important to having secure and enjoyable holiday air travel. Adm. Loy also urged passengers to leave their checked bags unlocked, which will avoid the potential need to forcibly open bags that require further physical inspection. He commented during a demonstration of the Jacksonville (FL) International Airport's new "in-line" explosives detection system (EDS) for screening checked baggage. The TSA will screen all checked bags by Dec. 31 -- yet another layer of security for the nation's 429 commercial airports. "Security screening went well at Thanksgiving and we are committed to making the holiday season safe and enjoyable for air travelers, "Adm. Loy said. "Passengers can play a major role by following simple packing guidelines, and by getting to the airport on time." Adm. Loy asked passengers to not pack food or beverages in checked bags and to pack footwear on top of other contents. Put personal belongings in clear plastic bags to reduce chances of a TSA screener having to handle them, and spread out - not stack - books. Passengers also were warned against putting film in checked bags, because screening equipment will damage it, and to leave gifts unwrapped should screening require them to be opened. Put scissors, pocket knives and other sharp items in checked bags; never carried on. For other tips, check out www.TSATravelTips.us. The TSA has developed bag search plans with each of the nation's airports. Besides the large EDS machines, screening will be done using congressionally approved methods including explosives trace detector machines, explosives-sniffing dogs, passenger-bag matching and hand searches. Adm. Loy reminded passengers that all bags are subject to search. At airports like Jacksonville International, in-line systems are built into the baggage conveyer belt, which snakes through non-public areas of the airport. Bags may have to be opened for inspection. Leaving bags unlocked will avoid the potential need for them to be opened forcibly. The 158 federal security directors are authorized to immediately respond to issues that occur at airports under their responsibility. The TSA is moving toward providing travelers with free, padlock-like seals that screeners can snip open if a search is necessary. But for now, air travelers are advised to use cable or zip ties as an alternative to baggage locks. If a checked bag is searched, a statement to that effect will be inserted in the bag to notify the owner. quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #27 December 19, 2002 Quote Passengers also were warned against putting film in checked bags, because screening equipment will damage it, No SHIT!!! I just had a video tape shipped to me that arrived blank.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndyMan 7 #28 December 19, 2002 QuoteUh good luck on that one.. it says they aren't liable if they break it. It says the TSA aren't liable, that doesn't mean you don't get compensation. Look, everytime somebody pops on here and says "Help! I'm flying, should I carry-on or check?", we always answer the same way: Carry-on, if you can. If you can't, then check, AND BUY INSURANCE. Every airline sells insurance for checked baggage above the standard limits. It's cheap, too. Something like $10 per $1,000 of stuff. This doesn't change anything. If you're really worried about theft, you should've been buying insurance before, and you should be buying insurance now. No difference. My bigger concern is that they would see a rig, know its a rig, and want to open the reserve to see the cypres. This will be a more common problem as more bags are screened behind the 'backstage'. _Am__ You put the fun in "funnel" - craichead. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deuce 1 #29 December 19, 2002 I've got a Pelican 1660, a giant wheeled case for my rigs, camera gear, and suits. It costs about $80 to ship it within the state one-way. This sucks. Oh, and I put guns in there too sometimes. "Why are you driving to Arizona?" See above Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Opie 0 #30 December 20, 2002 Quote***Carry-on, if you can. If you can't, then check, AND BUY INSURANCE. Every airline sells insurance for checked baggage above the standard limits. It's cheap, too. Something like $10 per $1,000 of stuff. _Am A couple rigs & misc. and your easily over $8000. that's $80. not exactly cheap in my book. On top of that the airlines have been lowering the wt. limits on checked baggage so you could also get an extra charge for weight if it's two rigs. UPS or Fed EX will have it waiting for you at your drop zone of choice for that kind of money. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #31 December 20, 2002 QuoteQuoteSue..sue...sue... But suing the federal government isn't cheap. And talk about repercussions. You think the IRS messes with you now? You'll be gumming your oatmeal in the old folks home before you see any money or justice. Anyone read the Bill of Rights recently?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wlie 0 #32 December 20, 2002 Hey Quade! Look what I found.It might help a little, but still... I'd worry if someone were handling her. My other ride is the relative wind. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #33 December 20, 2002 QuoteIf you can't, then check, AND BUY INSURANCE. Every airline sells insurance for checked baggage above the standard limits. It's cheap, too. Something like $10 per $1,000 of stuff. If you read the fine print, they cover your bags for $1500 and there is a limit to how much insurance you can buy. It's $1250, making the total per bag $2750. I sell gear for a living and I'll tell you that wouldn't cover manufactures cost on ONE of my rigs. Hell it wouldnt cover my camera gear and pelican case. But what are you gonna' do. It's the only game in town, and they have the cards. Blue Skies, -jp----------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ltdiver 3 #34 December 20, 2002 Quote Hey Quade! Look what I found.It might help a little, but still... I'd worry if someone were handling her. Thanks for the link, wlie. I carry my rig and camera helmet onboard with me. Never had any problems with clearing security or gate personnel. Before going to Nationals, SDC this year, I measured both my rig bag and helmet carry case. The first one came in under the measurements for the airline's 'carry-on' size limit. My helmet case came in just under the 'personal item' size limit! So....I -could- carry both onboard with me. I was prepared, however, that if they gave me shit about it I would have just taken out my helmet and worn it as a hat!! The airlines specifically list hats as an extra item that -can- be added to the list of carry-ons (in addition to your other items)! ltdiver Don't tell me the sky's the limit when there are footprints on the moon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DZBone 0 #35 December 20, 2002 QuoteIn all my years of having traveled through Asia, I was really surprised with airport inspections in the US. Yea, that was back when this was the land of the free, home of the brave. Now it's a nation cowering under a "heightened state of alert". _________________________________________________ If you hadn't read this, would it have made a sound? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freakyrat 1 #36 December 20, 2002 Paul USPA has new guidlines on their website that were posted today. They have this already worked out with the TSA. You can lock your hard shell suitcases with your rigs inside. Your rig and Cypres will NOT trigger any alerts on any of the various kinds of explosive detection equipment that would require a hand search. Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #37 December 20, 2002 Please re-read what you just posted! "They" haven't worked anything out. The USPA has merely taken a position on the subject. It has no authority nor binding agreement with the TSA. In fact, how the heck would the TSA even know that the bag belongs to a USPA member? That's simply a rediculous concept. Yes. I can still lock my rigs in a hard-shell case. You're right. The rig and Cypres will not (in and of themselves) trigger any alerts. But that doesn't mean that something -else- won't trigger one (the TSA suggests that some -foods- locked in cases might) nor does it mean that it prevents the TSA from breaking the locks and exposing the bag to others. The entire concept of post-check-in & post-bomb detections unit bag searches out of the presence of the owner is simply rediculous! The bags are REQUIRED to have a name of a passenger listed on them. All that -should- happen is that if a bag triggers an alarm, the passenger should be required to show up to unlock the bag to be present when it is searched. THAT would be reasonable. Breaking locks or requiring unlocked bags is just stupid.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quatorze 1 #38 December 20, 2002 Quote Breaking locks or requiring unlocked bags is just stupid. And all it takes is some knuclehead's wife not letting him have the bacon for breakfast that he wanted and now he feels the need for a little reminder of just how powerful he really is. [heavy German Accent] Papers? Papers please. [end German accent] I'm not afriad of dying, I'm afraid of never really living- Erin Engle Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PLFXpert 0 #39 December 20, 2002 I heard about this on CNN....as if I wasn't ALREADY worried about traveling with gear. For graduation, my father gave me round trip tickets to anywhere I want to go in the continental U.S. (he's a true Patriot)...I want to go to plan a trip to Vegas, b/c although I've been to Nevada, haven't been there since I was about 14, not old enough for Vegas. I REALLY WANT TO GO (and I hear there's a GREAT place to BASE near Vegas.) I don't care if I have to show up at the airport a damn week early to walk through with my rig as a carry on. I'll do it. It really worries me to check it. I want my baby safe with me, at all times! And, especially with the new rule, there's no way in F*ck I'd check it, unless the airline signed an affidavit stating they'd reimburse me the 3k if they lost/damaged it. Paint me in a corner, but my color comes back. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lurking 0 #40 December 20, 2002 You got any problems with Germans? Thomas Germany Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydiverbrian 0 #41 December 20, 2002 QuoteYou got any problems with Germans? I don't! They make great beer and they're not stingy with it! In a world full of people, only some want to fly... isn't that crazy! --Seal Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #42 December 20, 2002 Quote You got any problems with Germans? Yeah...they talk funny and smell like boiled cabbage. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KawiZX900 0 #43 December 20, 2002 fed ex , "the world on time, or not." waiting on my mac g4, 2nd day ground, is now 5 day ground, the stuff only had to go 75-80 miles. for the last 3 days they have "each day" said, it is due to be delivered today it's on the truck. so I've been taking some time off work to sit and wait, each day around 9:30 i give up and breathe into a paper bag a couple times to calm the nerves , since i quit smoking. Accelerate hard to get them looking, then slam on the fronts and rollright beside the car, hanging the back wheel at eye level for a few seconds. Guaranteed reaction- Dave Sonsky Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ScottishJohn 25 #44 December 20, 2002 It's not just getting things stolen that we should be worried about. What about someone putting something in your luggage i.e. drugs, explosives.---------------------------------------------------------------------- If you think my attitude stinks you should smell my fingers Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndyMan 7 #45 December 20, 2002 QuoteIf you read the fine print, they cover your bags for $1500 and there is a limit to how much insurance you can buy. It's $1250, making the total per bag $2750. I guess its airline specific. On American Airlines, the limit is $5,000 worth of stuff. http://www.aa.com/content/customerService/baggage/liabilityLimitations.jhtml#Additional%20Insurance. That's enough that you could check one rig, carry the other and have everything safe. I'm a whole lot more surprised that people have been checking their rigs in the past without insurance. In my mind, this new rule really doesn't change anything. _Am__ You put the fun in "funnel" - craichead. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites