quade 4 #1 December 19, 2002 Unlike the majority of skydivers, because I also travel with camera gear I -have- to check my rigs. Check THIS out.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jfields 0 #2 December 19, 2002 Oooh... Greenie linking faux pas! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jfields 0 #3 December 19, 2002 QuoteJACKSONVILLE, Florida (CNN) -- The Transportation Security Administration appealed Thursday to travelers not to lock their checked luggage. As part of the TSA's new bag-screening policy, security agents will sometimes do hand searches of bags that trigger alarms without the owner being present. "We have no choice but to open any bags that raise concern," Adm. James Loy, TSA undersecretary of transportation for security, told reporters at Jacksonville International Airport, one of the nation's first to install the screening equipment. The request comes as the nation's commercial airports are working to meet a December 31 congressional deadline to do screening for explosives on all luggage checked at the nation's commercial airports. The TSA is asking airline passengers to close their bags with the plastic ties typically used to ensure that garbage bags don't spill their contents. Soon, travelers will be given free, tamper-evident seals with which to secure their bags, Loy said. "But, for now, I advise passengers to get their own." Security agents will put a card inside each bag they have searched, indicating it has been opened and inspected, and the bag will then be resealed, he said. Complaints of pilferage will be handled "on a case-by-case basis" by the airline, the TSA and the airport working together, he said. In cases where suspect luggage is locked, "we'll open it," said TSA Spokesman Brian Turmail. If, in doing so, the bag is damaged, "we are not liable," he said. Among tips Loy listed for helping passengers move more quickly through security, he pointed out that a list of prohibited items for carry-on bags -- including scissors, pocketknives and other sharp items -- is posted on the agency's Web site. These items can be put into checked bags. Price tag: $2-2.5 billion Legislation requiring that checked luggage be screened was passed in the aftermath of the September 11 terrorist attacks in which four commercial jets were hijacked and crashed into the World Trade Center, the Pentagon and a field in Pennsylvania, killing about 3,000 people. "The events of a year ago still echo hauntingly often in our minds," Loy said. "We are, in fact, living in a significantly heightened security environment." He added, "If each of us does our part, we'll make travel safe and pleasant for everyone this holiday season." Of the nation's 429 commercial airports, approximately 325 already have set up their baggage-screening programs, and the others will have a system working by the end of the year, Loy said. Bruno, a bomb-sniffing dog checks luggage with his partner Gaylnn Sonius Dallas-Fort Worth International Airport in Texas. But a number of airports will not have automated systems in place by the deadline. They will be allowed to use equipment that detects traces of explosives, and to make use of dogs and hand searches to accomplish the task. "In all cases, all bags will be being checked," Loy said. He declined to say which airports have yet to automate the search procedure. "Those are, I believe, steps in the direction of offering the bad guy information that I'm not going to be the one that ever tells them." Loy estimated the cost of setting up the program nationwide at $2 billion to $2.5 billion. I did not just copy and paste that. Nobody saw it. I have no idea what you are talking about! Somebody must have broken into my account and done it. Damned hackers! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wlie 0 #4 December 19, 2002 Yeah I heard that on the radio this morning.I don't have a problem with say inspection or baggage handlers. I do have a problem with nosy passengers.Edited to add more shit to share: In all my years of having traveled through Asia, I was really surprised with airport inspections in the US. For instance, even domestic flights in Indonesia required that any baggage (even purses) go through x-ray. Then if a baggage did not have an inspection tag, the check-in clerk had to refuse it. And you'd still go through a metal detector, and carry-ons wnet through another x-ray prior to entering the boarding area. And you'd have armed police with drug sniffing dogs partoling at all times. Singapore, Malaysia, Japan, Korea, Hong Kong too. Here? I was surprised to learn about curbside check-in. My other ride is the relative wind. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #5 December 19, 2002 QuoteI don't have a problem with say inspection or baggage handlers. Y'all gotta be kiddin'. It's not just rigs that are going to get stolen either.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #6 December 19, 2002 Yeah...if I'm checking my camera gear it's going to be in a hard sided suitcase. It's going to be locked....uuummm......if they damage my suit case or it's contents.....they are going to pay for it. Now...if I have a soft sided case I have no problem with the zip ties. It's not like it's hard to cut the bag open if you really wanted what was inside. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jfields 0 #7 December 19, 2002 Quote Y'all gotta be kiddin'. It's not just rigs that are going to get stolen either. I totally agree. This present a much larger problem than it first appears. In the "old" system, there was generally a chain of accountability. That seems to be gone. Now the TSA screeners pretty much have zero liability (or at least it seems that way so far). So when stuff goes missing at the hands of a minimum wage baggage flunkie turned TSA SuperScreener, you are just out of luck. The insurance company will disown liability for it, since an arm of the government was actually responsible. The TSA will say it was just acting in the interests of national security. So, basically, the entire system now has loopholes to let it fall apart worse than it already was before. When you point this out and try to carry everything on board so it won't get stolen, you'll be hauled off as a potential terrorist. You'll be held incommunicado without legal representation under the recently-enacted anti-terrorism provisions. You lie rotting in a secret detention facility until the "war on terror" is won, which will be never. Wow, my mom was right. I am cynical! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #8 December 19, 2002 If this is mandatory they should search it on check in while you are present. Yes it may add sometime on that side (like we needed it) but if search is nessesary you should be present. particularly if youve got high dollar gear being checked. ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CrazyIvan 0 #9 December 19, 2002 HA!!, they have to be kidding, I'm traveling tomorrow to Florida and there is NO F'ING WAY, I'm gonna leave my bag unlocked, I don't have a rig yet but everything else, I LOVE MY HELMET AND MY JUMPSUIT AND MY ALTIMETER, ETC ETC. they better keep their stinking hands off my stuff __________________________________________ Blue Skies and May the Force be with you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wlie 0 #10 December 19, 2002 I guess it depends on the contents of the baggage. Clothes and shit, no problem. I'd encourage the inspectors to publicly diplay my chains, whips, leather, cuffs, spikes, ++. But for things that are of quite high value like cameras, I'd carry it, or wear it on me. Rigs are a little harder I suppose My other ride is the relative wind. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #11 December 19, 2002 Damn.....I can't imagine trying to get on a plane these days with some of the equipment I used to carry in the military. I often went TDY with a "SOFLAM" targeting laser. Inocuous looking enough green box about 12X12 in. It was the red "Fire" button on the top and the cross hairs in the sight that usually made them nervous. Last time I carried one I told them it was "Just like one of those laser pointers you use in an office." They actually bought that story. It was somehow worth about $48,000 so I didn't want to check it... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kevin922 0 #12 December 19, 2002 QuoteYeah...if I'm checking my camera gear it's going to be in a hard sided suitcase. It's going to be locked....uuummm......if they damage my suit case or it's contents.....they are going to pay for it. Now...if I have a soft sided case I have no problem with the zip ties. It's not like it's hard to cut the bag open if you really wanted what was inside. Uh good luck on that one.. it says they aren't liable if they break it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #13 December 19, 2002 Quote it says they aren't liable if they break it. Sue..sue...sue... Isn't that one of our great American ideals... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jfields 0 #14 December 19, 2002 This could be really good for Fedex. It could be a big incentive to ship stuff ahead. Damned nuisance, but if nobody is responsible the other way, it may be a viable option. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jfields 0 #15 December 19, 2002 QuoteSue..sue...sue... But suing the federal government isn't cheap. And talk about repercussions. You think the IRS messes with you now? You'll be gumming your oatmeal in the old folks home before you see any money or justice. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #16 December 19, 2002 Quote You'll be gumming your oatmeal in the old folks home before you see any money or justice Don't tell me that. I haven't even filed it yet. Have to wait until October. Should we start a pool on when I'll see my cash? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jfields 0 #17 December 19, 2002 Quote Should we start a pool on when I'll see my cash? Sure. Just let the original native Americans in on the pool. Or their decendents, maybe. After all, you'll be in line after them, and they've been waiting awhile. Yikes, I am in a snippy mood! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jib 0 #18 December 19, 2002 I don't have a problem with it as long as they give me free insurance up to $10k per bag (full replacement value) and payment within 2 days of when the stuff in my bag magically disappears. -------------------------------------------------- the depth of his depravity sickens me. -- Jerry Falwell, People v. Larry Flynt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bmcd308 0 #19 December 19, 2002 I fly with rifles. Their cases HAVE to be locked with an FAA approved lock. What do I do? ---------------------------------- www.jumpelvis.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #20 December 19, 2002 Ok, so let's stop thinking about transporting rigs for a second. What about guns?quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #21 December 19, 2002 Beat me by less than :30 seconds. Damn.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #22 December 19, 2002 Quote I fly with rifles I can see the TSA screener now on the radio to his supervisor...."Sir...I've spotted a gun in the checked luggage!!!" "Nooooo...shiiiiitt....really..." They'll probably just start having you carry it on so they can inspect it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #23 December 19, 2002 same thing, opened,inspected, and resealed in your presence with your locks. almost need a different check in line for high value items. then the airline needs a chain of custody (as someone mentioned) into the aircraft. Since your luggage is not allowed to travel without you loss should theoretically go down.____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bmcd308 0 #24 December 19, 2002 Always before, it has meant locked case with no ammo in the piece of baggage as the rifle. Ammo had to be in the factory packaging (for whatever reason) and in a separate, locked case. The piece of baggage containing the rifle had to be FAA approved, as did the lock on that piece of baggage. Ammo could be in whatever bag you wanted, but the lock itself still had to be FAA approved. ---------------------------------- www.jumpelvis.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jdhill 0 #25 December 19, 2002 unfortunately, camera equipment and rigs will most likely get inspected every time... and the will break cameras and pop reserves (what is that littel electronic box w/batteries and wires inside this tightly sealed container?) They should set a system where you can have your bags inspected ahead of time and while you are there... It would be worth it to me to have to show up even earlier so I could be present for an inspection, then lock my stuff up, rather than have some special-agent wannabe damage any of my gear. JoshAll that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. - Edmund Burke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
